Request Line Productions 01-14-2008, 11:10 AM OK,
Here's the first official "Hanked-Up" Rockit Skin. Download it here (http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/SamAdamsSkin1024x768.zip).
Feel free to add your own.
Sam Adams Skin:
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/samskin.jpg
Jon Tuck 01-14-2008, 12:17 PM Hank so does this mean you will be making the switch to Rockit? OR at worst just the Best Damned Designer asides from The OWner?
Request Line Productions 01-14-2008, 12:57 PM Hank so does this mean you will be making the switch to Rockit? OR at worst just the Best Damned Designer asides from The OWner?
You know me Jon. I love to play with this sort of stuff. :sqwink:
Jon Tuck 01-14-2008, 01:01 PM go to the latest thread I started about going to Vegas Friday my sons highlight reel is there for MMA.
Request Line Productions 01-15-2008, 09:15 AM Here's the "360" skin for Jon Tuck:
Download (http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/360skin.zip)
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/360skin.jpg
jokerswild 01-15-2008, 09:22 AM how bout a 1280 x 1024 version with Automix list for Total Impact DJS? huh hu huh?
Request Line Productions 01-15-2008, 09:44 AM how bout a 1280 x 1024 version with Automix list for Total Impact DJS? huh hu huh?
I'll give it a go!
Here's my skin. It only works for 30 minutes at a time though! :sqlaugh:
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/rlpskin.jpg
Request Line Productions 01-15-2008, 11:14 AM Happy Birthday you Joker!
Download (http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/TotalImpact1024x768.zip)
Oops! This is 1024 x 768. Hold on....
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/tiskin.jpg
Request Line Productions 01-15-2008, 11:54 AM OK Rob,
I extended the Blue Metal one for you and added the Automix buttons:
Download (http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/TotalImpact1280x1024.zip)
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/tiskin2.jpg
Jon Tuck 01-15-2008, 02:14 PM mine will need to be upgraded ASAP as well Rick I will be contacting you likely after Vegas. Is there the automix on mine as well? Thanks Hank you Rock!!!:sqwink:Here's the "360" skin for Jon Tuck:
Download (http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/360skin.zip)
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/360skin.jpg
jokerswild 01-15-2008, 02:51 PM Sweet.... not to be a butt... but the LED next to the automix don't light when it's engaged..... minor.... just givin ya a hardtime
Request Line Productions 01-15-2008, 03:16 PM Sweet.... not to be a butt... but the LED next to the automix don't light when it's engaged..... minor.... just givin ya a hardtime
I believe I fixed that light.
Just delete what you have and download it again.
Request Line Productions 01-15-2008, 03:18 PM Jon, I will add the automix to yours.
SoftJock Rick 01-15-2008, 03:23 PM Does this mean I have to put you on the payroll Hank...? :sqlaugh: :sqbiggrin:
Request Line Productions 01-15-2008, 07:09 PM how bout a 1280 x 1024 version with Automix list for Total Impact DJS? huh hu huh?
Duh? I just found out what you meant by the list. I found the drag-n-drop lists in another skin. I now know how to apply them. I will redo your skin with it.
I hope to have all the features in the XML memorized soon! :sqlaugh:
jokerswild 01-15-2008, 08:48 PM Duh? I just found out what you meant by the list. I found the drag-n-drop lists in another skin. I now know how to apply them. I will redo your skin with it.
I hope to have all the features in the XML memorized soon! :sqlaugh:
Thanks
Ya, I'm definately going to go with Rockit.... it seems to be the best bang for the buck
And it occured to me that since the smaller skins ie the 1020x768 and 800x600 on a display that is set to 1280x1024 gives me space to the right and at the bottom of the skin that if I just fill in I can then use winamp over top of the empty space for karaoke and have both on screen at the same time..
So, once I get something like photoshop elements I can fancy things up too.... I do like the skin you've made so far and ya having the automix open is great.... i've been just setting it off to the right as I practice and get to know Rockit...
jokerswild 01-15-2008, 09:25 PM Ok so this is a bit generic but here was my idea....
Take say the Dark Gray 1024x768 and simply add to the right and left some gray area to make it 1280x1024 like this: (post continued in next post)
jokerswild 01-15-2008, 09:27 PM Now add to that Winamp in "Always on top mode" to the right side and you get this:
jokerswild 01-15-2008, 09:35 PM So to continue this:
I'd like to move the My Computer down to the bottom of the screen the size is fine and make the My library one longer....
Then move the middle library down size is fine and move the buttons with it... and extend the AutoMix playlist screen down and make it longer...
move the request list down like the my computer and extend the length of the search window...
SoftJock Rick 01-15-2008, 10:23 PM Good luck Hank... :sqlaugh: :sqwink:
Honestly, that is a tough skin to work with -- it is the one I used while designing Rockit's skinning system, and has about 60 layers on it :sqerr:
It was not really meant to be anything more then a template, as it has most of the functions available on it.
Yer best working with a background that is the same color, and not gradiented in any way, as that requires quite a bit of overlay work for the button holders, knob backgrounds, etc...
Took me hours to get the round button underlays, and all that good stuff worked out.
jokerswild 01-15-2008, 10:34 PM Good luck Hank... :sqlaugh: :sqwink:
Honestly, that is a tough skin to work with -- it is the one I used while designing Rockit's skinning system, and has about 60 layers on it :sqerr:
It was not really meant to be anything more then a template, as it has most of the functions available on it.
Yer best working with a background that is the same color, and not gradiented in any way, as that requires quite a bit of overlay work for the button holders, knob backgrounds, etc...
Took me hours to get the round button underlays, and all that good stuff worked out.
I suppose that makes me the difficult one now...:sqwink:
I just like the idea of being able to have both programs up on screen at the same time and by extending the skin to match the height and width of my monitor I reduce the risk of me moving it around on my screen and ruining the x,y locations of things... if the deck locations and stuff moved with it I'd have no problem....
Really it don't need to be as fancy just so long as it has the main things...
the players, automix list, library tree, library, search window and request window... heck I don't really see the need for the deck lists at all... those could be scrubed...
Jon Tuck 01-15-2008, 10:36 PM Rob how many adjustments would you pay for?
jokerswild 01-15-2008, 10:38 PM Rob how many adjustments would you pay for?
Oh heck I think I have a handle on the XML stuff but it's the graphics I lack programs to edit with.... otherwise I'd do it myself... and will as soon as I can come up with the dough for photoshop elements...
Request Line Productions 01-16-2008, 12:38 AM I chopped up the Twilight Zone skin and made this. I just have to add the automix buttons
and pitch control. It took about 5 hours!
I haven't been this obsessed since the release of the Playstation.
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/rlp2.jpg
jokerswild 01-16-2008, 02:03 AM I've been toying with the DarkGray skin and came up with this .... now I just need to start playing with the XML and see if I can get things to work and be in the right places....
jokerswild 01-16-2008, 04:42 AM I chopped up the Twilight Zone skin and made this. I just have to add the automix buttons
and pitch control. It took about 5 hours!
I haven't been this obsessed since the release of the Playstation.
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/rlp2.jpg
For some odd reason none of the attachments or pictures you've posted of the skins are showing in any of your posts... very weird:sqconfused:
jokerswild 01-16-2008, 04:43 AM Man there's a lot of **** to move around in the DarkGray Skin.... it's gonna take me a couple of days just to move the rest of the buttons but I got all the fields moved and resized the way I want 'em
Request Line Productions 01-16-2008, 07:58 AM Man there's a lot of **** to move around in the DarkGray Skin.... it's gonna take me a couple of days just to move the rest of the buttons but I got all the fields moved and resized the way I want 'em
Yeah, the base is the easy part. I made a few new knobs/butons and tweaked the existing ones. I only squeezed the base in about 20 pixels, but I had to move everything to it's spot.
I think Rick did this to get us to drink more BEER! :sqwink:
Request Line Productions 01-16-2008, 01:54 PM OK Rick,
Here's a couple for the website! These are full 1024x1768. So, the task bar should be on auto hide.
Authority Blue 1024 x 768:
Download (http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/AuthorityBlue1024x768.zip)
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/AuthoritySkin.jpg
Authority Red 1024 x 768:
Download (http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/AuthorityRed1024x768.zip)
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/AuthoritySkinRed.jpg
Randy A 01-16-2008, 02:57 PM Rick/Hank
I could use the background insert that the player controller buttons (play, stop, restart) sit in with no background. I like the looks of that piece! :) Could one of you supply that for me? I can cut it out, but lose the rounded corners.
Request Line Productions 01-16-2008, 03:30 PM Randy,
I just made a new one:
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/tray.bmp
Give me the RGB color for the backgound if you want.
SoftJock Rick 01-16-2008, 03:35 PM Hank,
I'll build installs for those skins, and put 'em on the website tomorrow :)
Today's garbage and cleaning day -- I hate garbage and cleaning day... :sqerr: :sqlaugh:
Randy A 01-16-2008, 03:47 PM It worked great Hank -- although your link is dead above now. Good thing I grabbed it quickly. :)
Request Line Productions 01-16-2008, 04:10 PM Yeah, WTF?
Oh well.....
Rick inspired me to start on a Denon replica of my own. I will stay as true to form as the functions of Rockit will allow. I even put in a carpeted background!
I'm going to use the power button to close the program too.
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/DN-D4500skin.jpg
Jon Tuck 01-16-2008, 04:12 PM Very nice!! Thanks Hank!
Papa Deuce 01-16-2008, 04:18 PM Is there a way to make a customized one and keep the autoplay mode? I'm using the 1024 x 768 on my desktop.... not sure what I'll use for my lappy.
Request Line Productions 01-16-2008, 04:23 PM Is there a way to make a customized one and keep the autoplay mode? I'm using the 1024 x 768 on my desktop.... not sure what I'll use for my lappy.
There's always a way.
It's tough to make skins with all the features present. They look too busy (IMO). All the stuff is just a click away anyway.
SoftJock Rick 01-16-2008, 04:32 PM My next ones (after garbage and cleaning day), are gonna be actual photos of the different controllers as backgrounds. This should be fun... :sqerr: :sqeek:
After that, come the touchscreen ones, as Rockit fully supports them and overlays as well.
And yeah Hank, I agree. If you put too much stuff on it, it gets too busy and hard to work with when playing IMHO. I keep the skin browser showing on startup all the time, so I can pick what suits my need for that given session.
Request Line Productions 01-16-2008, 04:34 PM Can you smell what "The Hank" is cookin'?
http://getusb.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/012907b.jpg
jokerswild 01-16-2008, 05:00 PM Yeah, WTF?
Oh well.....
Rick inspired me to start on a Denon replica of my own. I will stay as true to form as the functions of Rockit will allow. I even put in a carpeted background!
I'm going to use the power button to close the program too.
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/DN-D4500skin.jpg
Dude, this one is sweeeeeeeet.... way better than what I'm working on... can ya do it in 1280x1024 & 1280x800? My **** is lame by comparison:
See??? The idea with this one is to have the controls obviously up at the top in the two decks.... then in the narrow window with the crossfader would be the buttons from the DarkGray skin... below that in the first box would be an extended MyLibrary with a simularly sized MyComputer window the size of the one from the Darkgray skin.... the middle would be the tracklist of course... the right box would be an extended Automix window with associated buttons and indicators from the darkgray skin and below that would be a request window with buttons that i could use in conjunction with highlighting a song then click a button for queing it into the automix que instead of drag and dropping it...
Well that's the idea and would translate well to the Denon Skin....
Thoughts?
SoftJock Rick 01-16-2008, 05:28 PM I have to say, this is a great learning experience for me, finding out what you folks actually use :)
Based on the telephone calls and emails I get, almost nobody uses AutoMix. I actually threw it in 8 years ago as an afterthought, for when you have to pee, or dinner music.
I will obviously put more effort into that area now... :)
Jon Tuck 01-16-2008, 06:04 PM You are the poor mans Genius for sure.:sqwink:Can you smell what "The Hank" is cookin'?
http://getusb.info/wp-content/uploads/2007/01/012907b.jpg
Request Line Productions 01-16-2008, 06:07 PM Tell you what...
I'm probably going to keep working in 1024 x 768 since it's pretty common (and what I use).
You get more space in the bigger ones, but that's way too much for my hobbyist brain to handle. You can always do that stretchy trick for the lists or I can extend the carpeted area to the right and bottom?
jokerswild 01-16-2008, 06:43 PM Tell you what...
I'm probably going to keep working in 1024 x 768 since it's pretty common (and what I use).
You get more space in the bigger ones, but that's way too much for my hobbyist brain to handle. You can always do that stretchy trick for the lists or I can extend the carpeted area to the right and bottom?
actually yeah if you could just extend the side and bottom no need for you to do anything with the xml I can make those changes now that I'm getting the hang of it... I just can't do the fancy static graphic.... so if you could provide the larger size without the updated xml i can make that change myself....
I'm working on an extended version based loosely on the DarkGray and Bluemetal skins.... I like the buttons of DarkGray and the layout of the Bluemetal so I'm stitching them together so to speak.... might take me a day or two to turn on the buttons but I will post the finished product...
RICK: I LOVE the AutoMix feature and I will be including it in some form or another in any skin I design or re-design.... you can count on that... why people wouldn't use this feature is beyond me... :sqconfused:
Randy A 01-16-2008, 07:15 PM Now, I know why Rick drinks!
I started on my RockIt Hybrid custom skin and just after 2 hours my eyes are crossed. You had to drink to get them to go straight again.
I'm done for the night. Off to the liquor store.....well, maybe I'll send the wifey.
SoftJock Rick 01-16-2008, 08:41 PM Hey Rob,
You know, you can always go into the Config->General, and turn off the Windows stuff (Taskbar, et.al.)...
Whatever your background is (lets say plain black, no image), is all that will surround Rockit ;)
Booch 01-16-2008, 08:44 PM Just curious...why does everyone seem to be eliminating the Request box?
Booch
SoftJock Rick 01-16-2008, 08:54 PM Just curious...buy why does everyone seem to be eliminating the Request box?
Because they haven't read the Appendixes to the manual ;)
For example, let's say you had Rockit running on your machine attached to the Internet. You give me your IP address, and I can send you requests, that will pop up in your Request list :)
You can also control Rockit remotely -- the commands available (the ones I documented), can do just about any feature that a skin control can, from a 1000 miles away.
I'll pe putting a test client app up soon on the website (mine works fine, but it's not pretty yet) :)
jokerswild 01-16-2008, 09:12 PM Hey Rob,
You know, you can always go into the Config->General, and turn off the Windows stuff (Taskbar, et.al.)...
Whatever your background is (lets say plain black, no image), is all that will surround Rockit ;)
Shhhhhhhhh I'm workin without beer... damnit....
If I could design play, pause, and stop buttons I would do so cause none of the ones within the skins i have hit me as ... wow that's the one i like... know what i mean.
SoftJock Rick 01-16-2008, 09:16 PM Shhhhhhhhh I'm workin without beer... damnit....
I'm sorry -- my condolences :sqembarrassed:
Things will pick up soon -- wedding season will be here in a couple months... :sqbiggrin: :sqwink:
Randy A 01-16-2008, 09:27 PM Just curious...buy why does everyone seem to be eliminating the Request box?
Booch
Real Estate, my friend, real estate. :sqbiggrin:
Randy A 01-16-2008, 09:29 PM Because they haven't read the Appendixes to the manual ;)
For example, let's say you had Rockit running on your machine attached to the Internet. You give me your IP address, and I can send you requests, that will pop up in your Request list :)
You can also control Rockit remotely -- the commands available (the ones I documented), can do just about any feature that a skin control can, from a 1000 miles away.
I'll pe putting a test client app up soon on the website (mine works fine, but it's not pretty yet) :)
All in good fun and one of those 'cool factor features', but nothing that I'll ever use Rick.
I need drag-n-drop in automix que. :sqconfused: :sqwink: :sqlaugh:
And, that program that will help me build the skins! :sqcool:
jokerswild 01-16-2008, 11:43 PM All in good fun and one of those 'cool factor features', but nothing that I'll ever use Rick.
I need drag-n-drop in automix que. :sqconfused: :sqwink: :sqlaugh:
And, that program that will help me build the skins! :sqcool:
You mean you want to drag and drop a song anywhere you want within the Automix que.... how dare ya.... hehehehe me too:sqbiggrin:
I wish there was a drag and drop program that would write the xml file like DreamScape writes html web pages.... would be easier to drag and drop graphics and code .... dreaming out loud here...:sqwink: as I'm still painstakingly re-inventing the wheel to fit my screen
jokerswild 01-17-2008, 12:11 AM So here's what I got so far.... still workin on it.... this is what I've gotten done since my last post about this skin
jokerswild 01-17-2008, 12:56 AM Quick question about the Headers....
This could be because I'm working with the demo version but I can move the column headers but when I shut down and restart the program they do not remain where i moved them... is this a function of the order in which they appear in the XML file or something disabled in the demo version?
Request Line Productions 01-17-2008, 07:37 AM If you are talking about the white headers (title, artist, etc.), then "yes", they will stay adjusted in the registered version. As far as I can see, there is no option to change the order, color or text in these fields. Much like when you "frame" something in CSS.
I have slid the indexes over only to reveal the title and artist. I don't like crowded screens.
SoftJock Rick 01-17-2008, 09:05 AM Ahhh, the headers... :sqerr: :sqlaugh:
No differences between the trial and full version, everything is enabled on the trial :)
Rockit will remember the header sizes, but not the order, as we use that internally for various operations. I just size the ones I don't want to see to a zero width.
As Hank mentioned, the actual header text cannot be modified, although the list text can be. We use slightly tweaked Windows list controls, so you get the header that comes with it... ;)
I'll be experimenting with that for the next update, and see what I can come up with... :)
All in good fun and one of those 'cool factor features', but nothing that I'll ever use Rick.
Don't be sooo quick to say that Randy, as it opens up a lot of potential -- think about it, users can text you requests from their cell phones from the dancefloor, etc..., they automatically get looked up in your library, and popup in your request list ;)
Randy A 01-17-2008, 09:15 AM I prefer to have some personal interaction with my guests. :)
Request Line Productions 01-17-2008, 09:54 AM Yeah, that's a cool feature for some situations (night club?). I certainly wouldn't want wedding guests to pull out their phones, PDAs and blackberry during the function.
This is where you need to develop hardware. A remote unit placed on each table?...
but I still think it's impersonal.
SoftJock Rick 01-17-2008, 10:14 AM Yeah, that's a cool feature for some situations (night club?).
Night clubs, school dances, outdoor parties, internet radio stations, etc... :)
This is where you need to develop hardware. A remote unit placed on each table?... but I still think it's impersonal.
I'm not a hardware Dude (anymore) :sqlaugh:
Actually, our Remote Request System does that already -- you supply the hardware though.
RRS doesn't interface directly with Rockit 4's library, but they still work together fine. The new client I'm developing, will be used to interface directly with V4s Comm layer.
Note that although Rockit doesn't currently do Karaoke, it may... ;)
If I put it in, it would be a perfect match for the Comm layer, as the singers could input their choices from a remote station(s), which will automatically feed into Rockit.
Always trying to think ahead... :sqbiggrin:
Papa Deuce 01-17-2008, 10:17 AM Who says weed kills brain cells?
jokerswild 01-17-2008, 11:56 AM Ahhh, the headers... :sqerr: :sqlaugh:
No differences between the trial and full version, everything is enabled on the trial :)
Rockit will remember the header sizes, but not the order, as we use that internally for various operations. I just size the ones I don't want to see to a zero width.
Ok.... is the Tracklist the only one that will remember these widths?
So here's my lame skin:
Randy A 01-17-2008, 11:59 AM That's not a lame one at all....whatever works best for you.
jokerswild 01-17-2008, 12:00 PM Yeah, that's a cool feature for some situations (night club?). I certainly wouldn't want wedding guests to pull out their phones, PDAs and blackberry during the function.
This is where you need to develop hardware. A remote unit placed on each table?...
but I still think it's impersonal.
I don't know that it's impersonal... I use a system simular to that for karaoke... hadn't thought of using it for weddings and such.... I currently use the Request list as a stageing place for requests then when I see fit I drag it into the AutoMix playlist and then move it into position where I think it fits....
That's why I put it in my lame skin from above.
jokerswild 01-17-2008, 12:02 PM That's not a lame one at all....whatever works best for you.
I call it lame cause graphicaly it doesn't have the neato factor that Hank's have.
Randy A 01-17-2008, 12:03 PM Hell, nothing does!! :) :)
jokerswild 01-17-2008, 12:08 PM Hell, nothing does!! :) :)
I tell ya I had a great idea last night... I think I read somewhere in the XML that colors can be set to solids or can be transparent...
If that's the case I'm thinking I could choose just about any background I want like oh I don't know.... some album art from Iron Maiden featureing Eddy.. I think there was some artwork of him with headphones on if I remember right. :sqbiggrin:
But, really goes further than that.... say you work directly for a club and they want their logo to fill your screen or somethin.... just load it up as the background and build a couple decks like I did without filling in with color just boxes....
My mind is spinning and I'm probably not making sense the possiblities are endless if this is the case!
Randy A 01-17-2008, 12:28 PM I have to say, this is a great learning experience for me, finding out what you folks actually use :)
Based on the telephone calls and emails I get, almost nobody uses AutoMix. I actually threw it in 8 years ago as an afterthought, for when you have to pee, or dinner music.
I will obviously put more effort into that area now... :)
That surprises me. It works well for me. And, I'm enjoying the added benefit of having more time to converse with my guests and my son (who's learning something new everytime we go out).
SoftJock Rick 01-17-2008, 12:31 PM If that's the case I'm thinking I could choose just about any background I want like oh I don't know....
Sure can :)
You should see some of the "interesting" backgrounds I have -- last months Cyber Girl, for example... :sqwink: :sqlaugh:
SoftJock Rick 01-17-2008, 12:42 PM Hank, you've been assimilated, and immortalized on the Rockit Skins Page (http://www.rockit2000.com/DJSoftware/dj-skins.htm) :sqbiggrin:
You even have a link :)
I only got the blue one up so far -- give me time, I'll get the red one up soon...
Edit: BTW, I had to fix the cue buttons, as you darkened them, and the green transparent area changed to a different color. It's ok, I covered yer butt :sqlaugh:
Request Line Productions 01-17-2008, 04:48 PM Thanks Rick!
Here's my take on the Denon..
THE DEADON 4500:
Download (http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/DEADON4500.zip)
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/deadonskin.jpg
This took about 12 hours. I made a few new buttons too. Enjoy!
SoftJock Rick 01-17-2008, 05:22 PM Hey Hank,
Do you play anything besides Boston...? :sqlaugh: :sqwink:
Need to get you listening to some new Kid Rock -- try New Orleans, it's a builder... :)
Request Line Productions 01-17-2008, 05:26 PM LOL!
I don't have much on my design desktop. I love the KR disc. It's still up in the lounge's music room. I made the juke skin there too. You can embed it on any web page.
SoftJock Rick 01-17-2008, 05:35 PM Yer doin' some nice stuff Hank -- mucho thanx :sqbiggrin:
And now, I actually have Foreply/Long Time cued -- see, ya got me started :sqerr: :sqeek: :sqbiggrin:
jokerswild 01-17-2008, 08:50 PM Can the wave form color be changed from green?
Request Line Productions 01-17-2008, 10:05 PM It's in the early stage, but get ready for the iphone skin!
http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/iphoneskin.jpg
Request Line Productions 01-17-2008, 10:08 PM Can the wave form color be changed from green?
Yes, look for "viewpeak" and change the linecolor (I think).
Booch 01-17-2008, 10:15 PM I need to start trying this...seems like fun! Though, I'd have to do a 1280x800 for my lappy!
Booch
PS - Tutorial please!
Request Line Productions 01-18-2008, 04:19 PM Also keep an eye out for "The Executive":
(The album art will appear in the jewel cases)
This photo will update itself as I continue the project so check back.
http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/executive.jpg
Jon Tuck 01-18-2008, 04:22 PM link that one when its done Hank I always wanted to be a Ipod DJ LOL.
Papa Deuce 01-18-2008, 04:27 PM Also keep an eye out for "The Executive":
(The album art will appear in the jewel cases)
http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/executive.jpg
Dude, I sure hope your art skills make you a 6 figure income.
Randy A 01-18-2008, 05:02 PM That's it...I won't be putting any more of my creations up. I'm totally intimidated now!!
Papa Deuce 01-18-2008, 05:04 PM Hank, if that last one includes autoplay, count me in! I absolutely LOVE it!
Request Line Productions 01-18-2008, 05:41 PM Dude, I sure hope your art skills make you a 6 figure income.
Thanks man,
The sad thing is, that I rarely get paid to use them. Outside of doing logos for you guys and some stuff for my wife's office, it's just a hobby. I work at my buddy's sign shop now and then, but not designing. Just application and layout. Most people don't want to pay extra for the designing and just use text & clipart.
I have no degree in art. In fact, I dropped out of high school and got my GED in 1983. Since then, I do what it takes. :sqfrown:
Maybe I'll get discovered by exercising my talent out here in cyberspace. I'd pack up the family and go tomorrow if I could.
(hear that Rick)
SoftJock Rick 01-18-2008, 05:49 PM You do nice work Hank :sqbiggrin:
BTW, I got my GED in '76 (before my class graduated) -- got a few years on ya ;) :)
Ya never know what the future might hold......... ;)
jokerswild 01-18-2008, 08:37 PM Yes, look for "viewpeak" and change the linecolor (I think).
Yeah I figured that out... today. So my new skin is going to be a little more colorful :sqbiggrin:
jokerswild 01-18-2008, 08:51 PM Dude I am sooooo hooked on this skin stuff... now if I could create like hank does... man
You know with all these iPod'ish skins.... you could really start marketing this as a replacement to media player.... and not just us cheap azzed DJ's.
I know I'd kill for a skin like what hank is doing...
Request Line Productions 01-18-2008, 11:01 PM Finished.
The Executive 1024 x 766:
Download (http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/TheExecutive1024x766.zip)
http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/executive.jpg
The pen mixer is a riot!
This is a great one to use at the office to impress the co-workers.
Enjoy!
jokerswild 01-18-2008, 11:13 PM Speaking of LED lights.....
The level indicator lights... even after I set everything to zero the outline for them still appear in all of my skins and I can't turn them off to design my own... style.
What am I missing if i have all of the visable="0" set and they still show?
I am using the DarkGray xml as my launching pad along with the graphics... I like the round buttons... but, it seems that if I set everything to zero they should dissapear, right?
Request Line Productions 01-19-2008, 02:14 AM If they are touching other items on the screen, the may still show. Check the xy. If you don't want them at all and they are showing still. Set the xy off the page.
SoftJock Rick 01-19-2008, 06:42 AM The level indicator lights... even after I set everything to zero the outline for them still appear in all of my skins and I can't turn them off to design my own... style.
What am I missing if i have all of the visable="0" set and they still show?
That is what we call an "undocumented feature", in the business :sqlaugh: :sqwink:
It only happens if the value="vu" type is used. I didn't catch that before release, because all my skins had them showing.
Take vu out of the value, and it will then disappear :)
Request Line Productions 01-19-2008, 08:58 AM Rick,
I tried to change the peakview & progress meters to gray. They would just revert to white.
???
SoftJock Rick 01-19-2008, 09:29 AM Rick,
I tried to change the peakview & progress meters to gray. They would just revert to white.
???
What parts -- background, line color, etc..?
Randy A 01-19-2008, 09:34 AM Hank, downloaded the Exec. Try something on your end and see if you get something weird. I have my desktop set at 1280x....when I want to drag the RockIt window, the background in your jewel cases get wacky. See if you get that too. Looks like you have them transparent. Maybe drop a black background into them.
Request Line Productions 01-19-2008, 10:24 AM Sorry, I did not include the CD "no art" image.
Just place it in the main Softjock directory:
Thanks for the heads up. I'll adjust the zip file.
Request Line Productions 01-19-2008, 10:27 AM What parts -- background, line color, etc..?
The actual line. The wav from. Also the entire progress line. I labeled 1,2,3 the same gray color as the text and they show as white.
Request Line Productions 01-19-2008, 10:43 AM Hank, downloaded the Exec. Try something on your end and see if you get something weird. I have my desktop set at 1280x....when I want to drag the RockIt window, the background in your jewel cases get wacky. See if you get that too. Looks like you have them transparent. Maybe drop a black background into them.
Randy,
Let me know if you need a larger resolution. I can extend the carpet and show more lists.
SoftJock Rick 01-19-2008, 11:19 AM The actual line. The wav from. Also the entire progress line. I labeled 1,2,3 the same gray color as the text and they show as white.
On the progress lines, make sure nothing is in the value="" field. That overrides the colors, and uses built in hatch brushes I made. If there is no match for a hatch brush, I'm not sure what it will show...
Hang on, let me look at my source code... tic-toc, tic-toc...
For progress controls, the value can range from H1-H7, anything else is undefined.
For VU meters, the values can be V1-V5, H1-H4.
On the viewpeak, the linecolor is the actual color of the wave itself. The gridcolor, is the little dotted center line.
SoftJock Rick 01-19-2008, 12:05 PM See, even the French folks can enjoy Rockit now, and not feel guilty :sqlaugh: :sqlaugh:
I of course, have no idea where this skin came from... ;) :)
Link: Rockit Virtual (http://www.rockit2000.com/v4skins/RockitVirtualSkin.exe)
http://www.rockit2000.com/images/RockitVirtualSkin700.gif
Request Line Productions 01-19-2008, 12:45 PM On the viewpeak, the linecolor is the actual color of the wave itself. The gridcolor, is the little dotted center line.
I sorta knew that, but the linecolor and gridcolor are not accepting my choices.
EXAMPLE:
<viewpeak action="vp-a" visible="1" x="427" y="120" w="129" h="025" linecolor="6E6B68" bkcolor="82AEBF" gridcolor="6E6B68" tcolor="000000"/>
<viewpeak action="vp-b" visible="1" x="605" y="304" w="129" h="025" linecolor="6E6B68" bkcolor="82AEBF" gridcolor="6E6B68" tcolor="000000"/>
Randy A 01-19-2008, 12:50 PM Hank,
Also, you need to update the drag-n-drop rectangles. If you drag into the request list, it places the song into Deck a. Dragging into Deck B, does nothing.
I don't need a larger resolution. I was just thinking of a person who may prefer to have a smaller resolution of RockIt on their screen and another application. When I move RockIt, the jewel case displays get some weird artifacts. It looks like you have that area transparent. I think just throwing a black background on it, would fix the problem.
Randy A 01-19-2008, 12:51 PM Ah, never mind, I see your post above on the empty art cd. Duh!
SoftJock Rick 01-19-2008, 01:00 PM Yeah, there are certain combinations of background and line colors that don't work all that good.
Reason being, we have to create a monochrome mask to do the drawing and transparency stuff, and some combos just XOR out the actual color, so white will come out.
I honestly have no idea what combos will do that, so you will have to experiment a bit. I put it in the "Rockit Upgrade Notebook", and I'll see if I can add a parameter that will override that for future versions... :)
Request Line Productions 01-19-2008, 01:54 PM Hank,
Also, you need to update the drag-n-drop rectangles. If you drag into the request list, it places the song into Deck a. Dragging into Deck B, does nothing.
You don't drag a song onto the the flash drive that says "Request List". You click on it and it opens a new window that you can then drag songs into (even though the "no" symbol appears, it still accepts drag and drop).
Right clicking on the tracklist will enter songs into the "automix list".
Randy A 01-19-2008, 02:07 PM Rick,
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Hank, try dragging a song into either of the decks and see if it works?
There are hidden rectangles set up behind the scenes (located in the XML file) that have to be set up to where your deck displays are located on you skin.
Request Line Productions 01-19-2008, 02:27 PM Rick,
Correct me if I'm wrong.
Hank, try dragging a song into either of the decks and see if it works?
There are hidden rectangles set up behind the scenes (located in the XML file) that have to be set up to where your deck displays are located on you skin.
Oh, are you saying that the drag and drop areas have to be assigned? I did not know that. Let me go play.
Weeeeeeeeeee!:sqlaugh:
Randy A 01-19-2008, 02:28 PM Yep! You got it. :) Weeeeeeeee!
Request Line Productions 01-19-2008, 02:34 PM FIXED IT !!!
Thanks Randy.
Download "The Executive" (http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/TheExecutive1024x766.zip)
SoftJock Rick 01-19-2008, 02:45 PM I fixed it before I did the install -- it's already up on the website :sqbiggrin:
Mad Marvin is next...
One of these days, I may actually do my laundry, and clean the house... :sqerr:
jokerswild 01-19-2008, 02:48 PM I fixed it before I did the install -- it's already up on the website :sqbiggrin:
Mad Marvin is next...
One of these days, I may actually do my laundry, and clean the house... :sqerr:
lol...
Me too.... {snifs out a clean pair of underware}
Booch 01-19-2008, 02:54 PM This has been fun to watch! After tonight's gig...I'll have some time to try & play, too!
Booch
PS - The tutorial watch is on......:sqerr:
SoftJock Rick 01-19-2008, 03:04 PM This has been fun to watch! After tonight's gig...I'll have some time to try & play, too!
Booch
PS - The tutorial watch is on......:sqerr:
Hey Booch,
Between this thread, and the other Rockit threads here -- that is the tutorial :sqlaugh:
I will actually have to re-read all these threads as I do the tutorial.
I wrote the skinning system quite a ways back, and forgot how a lot of it works :sqerr: :sqbiggrin:
FYI: Rockit had the ability to change skins mid-stream, but I pulled it at the last moment, because it was causing some hangups once in a while. I will revisit that for the next upgrade... :)
Booch 01-20-2008, 01:47 PM Between this thread, and the other Rockit threads here -- that is the tutorial :sqlaugh:
I need to print these threads...still don't know where to start!
Booch
jokerswild 01-20-2008, 02:00 PM You know what it's missing.... a voice drop gain control...
Basically a button that can be engaged to reduce the music volume that has an adjustable db gain setting which would allow the DJ to do voice overs without having to go to the mixer drop the volume make the announcement then pump it up again.... all he/she'd have to do is click a button with a pre-defined or variable gain drop .... not a sudden one but a gradual one.
This is useful because once you get your mic settings to the point of being loud enough... you can simply drop the music level temporarally then disengage the button to return the music back to where it was.... without having to mess with the mixer, be it your physical mixer or the Rockit mixer.
Jon Tuck 01-20-2008, 02:02 PM Will it wipe too?
SoftJock Rick 01-20-2008, 02:17 PM You know what it's missing.... a voice drop gain control...
Easy enough -- it's in the notebook :)
Randy A 01-20-2008, 02:20 PM My mixer already has that function! :sqbiggrin:
You know what it's missing.... a voice drop gain control...
Basically a button that can be engaged to reduce the music volume that has an adjustable db gain setting which would allow the DJ to do voice overs without having to go to the mixer drop the volume make the announcement then pump it up again.... all he/she'd have to do is click a button with a pre-defined or variable gain drop .... not a sudden one but a gradual one.
This is useful because once you get your mic settings to the point of being loud enough... you can simply drop the music level temporarally then disengage the button to return the music back to where it was.... without having to mess with the mixer, be it your physical mixer or the Rockit mixer.
SoftJock Rick 01-20-2008, 02:25 PM My mixer already has that function!
Mine did, till I broke it off -- actually, it was the drunk gal with the bar stool, but who's countin'... :sqerr:
Course, I never once used it the entire 20 years I've had the mixer :)
Jon Tuck 01-20-2008, 02:35 PM I lower my music when needed or speak through an instrumental or solo section LOL. Thanks!! If I need to get frantic about it my Denon X900 has the button for that as well.
Request Line Productions 01-20-2008, 07:15 PM I need to print these threads...still don't know where to start!
Booch
Booch,
Start in Photoshop. Think of a theme and make a basic background image.
Then, skim through the existing skins to see what buttons and knobs you like.
Assign them positions using the XY coordinates. Basically play around. You learn so much just by playing around with something.
We're here if you need us.
Papa Deuce 01-21-2008, 06:07 PM It's in the early stage, but get ready for the iphone skin!
http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/iphoneskin.jpg
Can't wait for the finished product... I'm downloading the HP one tonight...
jokerswild 01-21-2008, 06:56 PM Anyway to use the trans="1" to make the Viewpeaks background transparent... I've tried but all I get is a bright green background...
How do I tweek this line to get a transparent background?
<viewpeak action="vp-a" visible="1" x="200" y="176" w="212" h="033" linecolor="ff0000" bkcolor="000000" gridcolor="ff0000" tcolor="" trans="1"/>
SoftJock Rick 01-21-2008, 07:20 PM Anyway to use the trans="1" to make the Viewpeaks background transparent... I've tried but all I get is a bright green background...
How do I tweek this line to get a transparent background?
<viewpeak action="vp-a" visible="1" x="200" y="176" w="212" h="033" linecolor="ff0000" bkcolor="000000" gridcolor="ff0000" tcolor="" trans="1"/>
That would be one of those "I probably shouldn't have cut and pasted that line" things :sqbiggrin: :sqwink:
You can't make a vp truly transparent. It does a lot of masking and such, and needs a solid background to work with. I could do it, but it's a ton of overhead (skipping type overhead)... :sqerr:
jokerswild 01-22-2008, 03:17 AM ahh ok...
Request Line Productions 01-22-2008, 08:07 AM Can't wait for the finished product... I'm downloading the HP one tonight...
Papa,
I'm tweking the HP one this mornig. I'm adding better library access and search.
It will be the same link though. I'll let you know.
Request Line Productions 01-22-2008, 12:26 PM Hi everybody.
Here's the "redo" of The Executive. I added several new features. Enjoy!
(be sure to place the "exeart" image in the main softjock directory)
Download (http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/TheExecutive1024x766.zip)
http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/executive.jpg
Rick, you may want to update on your site?
Booch 01-22-2008, 08:36 PM You guys amaze me.
Booch
Request Line Productions 01-22-2008, 11:23 PM New Skin...
"Mix Tape"
Download (http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/MixTape1024x766.zip)
http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/mixtape.jpg
Papa Deuce 01-22-2008, 11:29 PM That's cool Hank.... but I'm dying to see the iPhone one! I need a thumbs up smilie, here....
jokerswild 01-22-2008, 11:33 PM That's cool Hank.... but I'm dying to see the iPhone one! I need a thumbs up smilie, here....
Here ya go.... :thebirdman: oops wrong one.... hehehe :nono: darnit still the wrong one.... :notworthy: getting closer.... :icon_thumleft::icon_thumright: there got em for ya.....
jokerswild 01-22-2008, 11:35 PM BTW where are you coming up with all the cool graphics.... and before ya say it ya ya ya I know Mad Skills....
Seriously are ya just surfin' the web for pics that you can manipulate in photoshop? or are you actually drawing them?
Request Line Productions 01-23-2008, 12:32 AM Papa,
The iphone is coming. I got board with it, but it's coming.
Rob,
Finding usable images isn't easy and a lot of tweaking goes on in PS to make them work.
The ipods in the last skin were made from scratch. The ipaq, flash drive, cassettes and walkmans are edited images.
(google and flickr)
Randy A 01-23-2008, 07:49 AM That's cool Hank.... but I'm dying to see the iPhone one! I need a thumbs up smilie, here....
http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/talkdc/Emoticons/image28.gif http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/talkdc/Emoticons/image28.gif http://i212.photobucket.com/albums/cc220/talkdc/Emoticons/image28.gif
Request Line Productions 01-23-2008, 07:24 PM New skin:
"iphones" (be sure to put iphoneart.bmp in main directory)
Download (http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/iphone1024x766.zip)
http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/iphoneskin.jpg
Request Line Productions 01-24-2008, 01:45 PM Since this thread is getting cumbersome to browse through, I put up a page to download my ROCKIT skins from as well.
ROCKIT Skins by Hank (http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/gallery/rockit.html)
I will be redoing the Sam Adams skin to a generic "pub" theme. That was the first one I did just one week ago. I think I can do better now. (hee hee)
Randy A 01-24-2008, 01:47 PM Awesome stuff!
You definitely are worth your weight in gold!! :)
jokerswild 01-24-2008, 01:51 PM You know speaking of a skin thread we probably should start a thread just for skins no matter who has created them... and consolidate them all. I have one that I've been working on and it should be ready to be un-veiled today.... been working on it in my labs late at night and when I have a spare moment. (insert evil laugh no. 1: Muwawahahahahahahahhaha!)
Request Line Productions 01-24-2008, 02:00 PM Awesome stuff!
You definitely are worth your weight in gold!! :)
I'd settle for a quarter of my weight in gold. :sqlaugh:
Request Line Productions 01-24-2008, 02:02 PM You know speaking of a skin thread we probably should start a thread just for skins no matter who has created them... and consolidate them all. I have one that I've been working on and it should be ready to be un-veiled today.... been working on it in my labs late at night and when I have a spare moment. (insert evil laugh no. 1: Muwawahahahahahahahhaha!)
When you're ready, you start it.
"The Official Rockit Skin Thread"
jokerswild 01-24-2008, 03:49 PM Ok new thread started for everyone to show off their "Mad Skills" with skinning Rockit....
http://www.ourdjtalk.com/showthread.php?p=130477#post130477
Randy A 01-24-2008, 05:18 PM Rob - you get another disc in the mail today?
jokerswild 01-24-2008, 06:01 PM Randy - Nope junk mail only...
Randy A 01-24-2008, 06:14 PM Darn USPS --- maybe tomorrow!
jokerswild 01-24-2008, 06:16 PM Coolio.... did ya figure out how to use the crossfader of my latest skin
Booch 01-24-2008, 07:03 PM 1280 x 800
Booch
jokerswild 01-24-2008, 07:20 PM 1280 x 800
Booch
Is that a request?
Request Line Productions 01-24-2008, 07:25 PM Booch,
Gotcha self a nice lappy eh?
which skin do you want modified for that resolution?
Booch 01-24-2008, 07:53 PM Is that a request?
Umm....yes? :sqbiggrin:
Gotcha self a nice lappy eh? Which skin do you want modified for that resolution?
Yep...a nice Dell. Actually, I really need to determine what I'd like to have on the skin and go from there. But if you're offering.... :sqbiggrin:
Booch
Request Line Productions 01-27-2008, 02:39 PM New Skin:
This is pretty much an auto-mix jukebox with pizazz. Have fun!
THE PUB:
Download (http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/ThePub1024x766.zip)
1024 x 766
http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/thepub.jpg
Jon Tuck 01-27-2008, 03:31 PM Thanks Hank!!
Papa Deuce 01-27-2008, 03:31 PM New skin:
"iphones" (be sure to put iphoneart.bmp in main directory)
Download (http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/iphone1024x766.zip)
http://dmsign.net/hank/skins/iphoneskin.jpg
OK, as stated MANY time before by me.... how does one do that?
If there is a person LESS computer literate than I am on this board, I have no idea who that could be.....
Request Line Productions 01-27-2008, 03:39 PM Papa,
In the zip folder is a bitmap image called "iphoneart" just drag and drop it the softjock folder of your PC.
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/gallery/files/IMG_88.jpg
Papa Deuce 01-27-2008, 04:03 PM Papa,
In the zip folder is a bitmap image called "iphoneart" just drag and drop it the softjock folder of your PC (C:/Softjock) The other two items (yellow folder and xml) go in the skins folder (C:/Softjock/skins)
OK, if you say so.... I'll have my buddy explain it better... :sqerr::sqembarrassed:
Seriously, how in the world do I even function? :sqfrown:
BTW, that's the skin I plan to use. I love it!
jokerswild 01-27-2008, 08:01 PM Papa,
Are you asking how he makes the graphics or how to install and use them... if your asking how he creates them... I know his answer: "Mad Skills" (or Photo Shop.... lol).
If he does it how I've been playing with it he uses the "Magic Wand" to outline then cut out the graphic he wants from its background... I've found that ones with a white or consistant background color the easiest to manipulate in this way...
Hank am I on the right path here?
Papa Deuce 01-27-2008, 08:05 PM Papa,
Are you asking how he makes the graphics or how to install and use them... if your asking how he creates them... I know his answer: "Mad Skills" (or Photo Shop.... lol).
If he does it how I've been playing with it he uses the "Magic Wand" to outline then cut out the graphic he wants from its background... I've found that ones with a white or consistant background color the easiest to manipulate in this way...
Hank am I on the right path here?
I felt LUCKY that I was able to install the EXECUTIVE.... just had to run an exe.
Request Line Productions 01-27-2008, 08:52 PM If he does it how I've been playing with it he uses the "Magic Wand" to outline then cut out the graphic he wants from its background... I've found that ones with a white or consistant background color the easiest to manipulate in this way...
Hank am I on the right path here?
Yes, there are tons of images and textures out there to find. Many are on white or you can cut them out with the lasso tool. I then add shadow and/or glow effects for depth.
However, many objects I created from scratch with basic shapes layered on top of each other (like the ipods and the jukebox). No photos were used in these cases. I'm also trying not to use existing buttons where I can. Sometimes, it's just too much work to create every little thing though.
It's just arts and crafts time for me anyway. Hopefully it will spin into some logo/card work. Paying design fees for a ground up skin could be as expensive as buying the program itself. Too much time involved. Especially with back and forth changes that would occur.
YIKES!
Request Line Productions 01-27-2008, 08:54 PM Playing around with this idea...
The Couch Potato:
http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/couchpotato.jpg
jokerswild 01-27-2008, 09:02 PM Yes, there are tons of images and textures out there to find. Many are on white or you can cut them out with the lasso tool. I then add shadow and/or glow effects for depth.
However, many objects I created from scratch with basic shapes layered on top of each other (like the ipods and the jukebox). No photos were used in these cases. I'm also trying not to use existing buttons where I can. Sometimes, it's just too much work to create every little thing though.
It's just arts and crafts time for me anyway. Hopefully it will spin into some logo/card work. Paying design fees for a ground up skin could be as expensive as buying the program itself. Too much time involved. Especially with back and forth changes that would occur.
YIKES!
Thank's for the info and really some good pointers... I've been toying with a Harry Potter theme just haven't had the time to work on it... I've already got my potter and I have some ideas for the players just need to work it out somemore....
Request Line Productions 01-27-2008, 09:05 PM use some wands for slider tracks...
http://lr2.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/08/stages_of_wand_making_425.jpg
jokerswild 01-27-2008, 09:07 PM That's what I was thinking.... I just haven't had the time to search for good pics like the examply you show....
And I could use this for gain controls....
jokerswild 01-27-2008, 09:13 PM ohhhhhhh that gives be a great idea for the crossfader....
put Harry's and Lord Voldemorts wands together with a blueish red split flame ball for a center......
oh and the slider knob....... a snitch.... dude... i'm off to work on this... just the inspiration I needed.... thanks
Request Line Productions 01-27-2008, 09:14 PM Can't wait.
jokerswild 01-27-2008, 09:17 PM Can't wait.
It will take me some time cause I'm still learning... heck I just figured out the Magic Wand thingy ... now I need to figure out the lasso.... I've be just draging to a bigger blank layer and separating the images there then moving them to my work in progress... would the lasso make this easier?
Request Line Productions 01-27-2008, 09:19 PM Better wands:
http://www.dadcando.com/Making/YourModels/Images/More_wands_array_425.jpg
Request Line Productions 01-27-2008, 09:23 PM Great Photoshop site here (http://pslover.com/).
Papa Deuce 01-27-2008, 09:58 PM Great Photoshop site here (http://pslover.com/).
it has tutorials..... would that work on Elements, too?
Request Line Productions 01-27-2008, 10:49 PM I haven't used elements yet, nut I here many of the commands are the same.
BTW,
With the Rickster's help, all my skins are now self-installing.
Get them all here (http://home.comcast.net/~djboston/gallery/rockit.html).
Randy A 02-08-2008, 10:12 AM What happened Hank? You finally get a real job? hahahaha
Request Line Productions 02-08-2008, 04:58 PM What happened Hank? You finally get a real job? hahahaha
LOL!
Actually yes, some side work. My wife's office moved this week, so I was setting up their computers. How many skins do you need anyway? :sqconfused:
Booch 02-08-2008, 05:02 PM How many skins do you need anyway?
Is the request line open? :sqlaugh:
Booch
anzyxx 02-15-2008, 03:21 AM How about Dj Traktor 2.5? No one did it before...
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