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toqer 02-29-2008, 07:22 PM YouTube - Jerk throws my karaoke mic
Start looking hard at around 1:30 on the video. Not too hard to miss.
Basically what happened was the guy threw the mic hard enough to hit the ceiling, then it fell 9 feet to the tile floor below (still works, a great testament to how durable Shure mics are) I stopped thier song, told them to get off the stage.
*Granted* it might have been an accident, but if you look at the guys hand it's fully open by the time his arm is at the top of it's upward swing. Also some girls from his group started screaming and carrying on, which didn't really make me feel too sympathetic towards thier excuse of "It was an acccciiiiident" (I told her it was a $400 accident)
Afterwards she wrote a yelp review that was totally untrue, video shows I didn't say what she says I said, and things didn't go down exactly as she described.
http://www.yelp.com/biz/seven-bamboo-san-jose#hrid:XKXof3jJeoAVO-6QhKnOsg
From a KJ's pov, did I do the right thing to end the performance early?
barry stamper 02-29-2008, 07:32 PM Toqer To me (from my pov and not being present) it appears to be an accident
Was it handled harshly (just a bit) but I was not their and a you tube video will only show so much. But I don't blame you nor could anyone else for being upset and Yes Shure's are the best..
Personally I think the guy ate too much dork stew
toqer 02-29-2008, 07:38 PM Yah reflecting back on it, this is what would have been the right thing to do...
Kill thier BGM and Mics
Krank up the filler music
Walk over and gently take the mics from thier hands.
Getting on the booth mic and talking smack probably wasn't the best way of handling it, but lets get to the root of opinion i'm looking for.. Was cutting them off the right thing to do (yes I know it could have been done better:P )
barry stamper 02-29-2008, 07:46 PM Oh without question cutting them off was the right thing to do, it sent a message I'm sure.
DJ SVO 02-29-2008, 08:19 PM You did the right thing, but people who have no knowledge of the cost of things might think you overreacted they may think is a $9.00 mic. for comparisons sake look at what Eddie Griffith did to the Ferrari Enzo that wasn't his, just an accident for playing silly at trying to eat more than they could. By the way you should post the vid and explain, you can prove a lot with the vid.
It's simple you break my stuff or damage it you're not going to play with it anymore.
SoftJock Rick 02-29-2008, 09:17 PM So you want Little Ricky to be honest, eh...?
I'd never go back to one of yer shows!
It was an obvious accident that the guy threw it too hard, and was unable to catch it, and you stopped the whole night right there for many people, and got obnoxious.
If yer gonna do interactive entertainment, where the guests get to use your equipment, then you have to learn about CoDB (Cost of Doing Business).
Think of it from a guests point of view (that's what I did):
I don't care how much yer mic cost, I'm here to sing and have a good time.
It was an accident, and this KJ got bent out of shape for nothing.
There's two sides to every story... :)
Karl Langford 02-29-2008, 09:39 PM To me, it looked like a complete accident. Yes they happen.
It is always hard to think on the spot. It is hard to say what I would have done in your position.
I think you over reacted. But I was not there.
Carolyn 02-29-2008, 09:57 PM Been there, Toqer.
Did you overreact? Not in my book, you abuse my equipment, it's my show, your done, period.
I would have given them what I call the "drunk mics" you only get the Shure if
1. your a regular and 2. I know you well enough to know that you are not going to break my equipment.
Did the guy do it on purpose? That's irrelevant, it happened because he was reckless, when you watch the beginning of the video he is swinging the mic every where.
When you are borrowing someones tools you take care of them, if you don't want to take care of them, then, you don't get to borrow them.
Not that different when you rent, really, you damage it or abuse the equipment there are consequences. You lose your deposit. In this case you lose your privilege to sing.
Kirby Ball 02-29-2008, 10:08 PM I would have stopped him the moment he opened his mouth and "attempted" to sing...:sqwink:
franknichols 02-29-2008, 11:19 PM Unfortunately, it was a bad situation......Was it an accident, maybe, maybe not. Honestly, it looked to me as if this guy had a little too much liquid encouragement and got carried away, but that is just my point of view.
Now, I don't know you, and you may think I am a bit harsh, but remember, you did ask.
I do think that you did over react on the mic in front of the entire club, especially dropping the F Bomb. As for cutting him off and playing filler, that is step one, but when you engaged them on the mic, you lost your credibility as a professional host in the eyes of the crowd. It is situations like this that cause us to have damage waivers in our contracts. If you don't have one, get one soon.
Here is how I might have dealt with it. 1. Kill the mics, and get filler music going 2. go up to the dude and ask what the heck that was about. 3. If he gives you attitude, he is done, if he is truly sorry and can convince you it was an accident, he gets one more chance with the understanding that if it happens again, he and he gal pals are done.
I do feel your pain about your mic, however, this stuff does happen from time to time, that is why I no longer use $400 mics for Bar Karaoke. Picture a drunk cowboy, a pitcher of beer and a broken heart.....can you guess where my Brand New Shure ended up??? He was bounced, the mic did work again after drying out, but I did not. I blew my stack at the guy and got an attitude on the mic and the owner, although sorry about my mic, felt it was uncool.....looking back now, I think so too.
I know this is a big show for you so I hope it turned out ok in the end.
Frank
Dave Miller 03-01-2008, 12:09 AM These three points echo what I was thinking.
I would have given them what I call the "drunk mics" you only get the Shure if 1. your a regular and 2. I know you well enough to know that you are not going to break my equipment.
Was it an accident, maybe, maybe not. Honestly, it looked to me as if this guy had a little too much liquid encouragement and got carried away, but that is just my point of view.
I do think that you did over react on the mic in front of the entire club, especially dropping the F Bomb.
Fred Stewart 03-01-2008, 01:53 AM Did this singer screw up? Without a doubt. Did you overreact to it? I suspect so but that's just one opinion. And we all know that opinions are like a certain part of the human anatomy ~ everybody's got one. :)
Karaoke isn't our market so I can't speak for that aspect. The closest we get to people using the mic is wedding receptions, black tie galas and the like.
I can tell you this: If I see some punk throw our SM58 in the air like a drummer does sticks, I'm gonna be one PO'd MFer. It's not cute, it's not funny and it's not adviseable to piss Wolfie off.
How would you react if you loaned me your car and I busted the windshield out of it? Well, it's the same thing. That mic is my business equipment. I need it to make my living. If you get stupid and break it, you're taking food off my table.
I am very careful about who gets that Shure mic. If there's any doubt in my mind, we have a corded Carvin clone, a CM68 they can use. If they're gonna break a mic, they can break a $60.00 mic, lol. :)
nextgen1 03-01-2008, 02:23 AM I bought this for karaoke. Now mind you I don't do that much but they are there for that reason. This plugs right into my extra mic input on my mixer and you can control both volumes no problemo.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Nady-DKW-DUO-Dual-Channel-VHF-Hand-held-Mic-System-277405-i1127205.gc
Jeff Romard 03-01-2008, 03:01 AM Funny the dorks think you overreacted but if you bumped one of them wih a speaker on the way out they would be the first to sue...
If the Mic went through big screen behind them they would that have been an accident too??? They would have to pony up the cash for replacement or land in jail
I lose my mind when someone abuses gear belonging to me I probably would have been worse than you the only difference is I wouldn't have jawed on the mic
maestro 03-01-2008, 03:05 AM Two words... Wired microphone!
Tyrone Blue 03-01-2008, 04:30 AM I too, have had numb skulls break my gear. I had a dancer reach up and grab my mirror ball and give it a spin. The slip ring holding it to the motor broke, and the ball hit the floor and smashed. I told him he'd have to pony up some cash... and he did. I gave him the ball and said, you paid for it... it's yours.
I agree with Carolyn on this... he's done, but I would have kept my mouth shut on the mic.
toqer 03-01-2008, 07:38 AM Wow 14 responses, thanks guys!
Yah it had been a rough week for me. I can't go into too much detail, but I have an ex-friend getting ready to present a bunch of ideas me and my friends have been working on as his own to the company he works for. I actually didn't sleep for 72 hours this week spinning my wheels over it. I was grumpy to start with.
I've learned some good stuff off the responses. It's nice that the general concensus is I did the right thing, though I could have handled it better. I get told all the time I drop too many F-bombs, it's a bad habit I need to get out of.
Subject of Junk Mics:
We've have used Shure T288's for the last 2-3years. (http://store.singfirst.us/sht2witwvosy.html) We're going to upgrade to PG-288's (http://www.acekaraoke.com/shure-pg-288-pg-58-uhf-wireless-combo-karaoke-microphone-system.html)soon so I guess the T's will become "Junker" mics.
Subject of Disco Balls:
Yah Tyrone, same thing here except it was a mosher. We had a bunch of punk rockers and one of them was singing "Anarchy in the UK" on stage. He played with it till it fell, then he jumped 3 feet in the air and came down on it with his feet. I think all I did was say "$100 will avoid the cops" and it was paid for.
Subject of was it an accident:
OK..... We don't know exactly what was going through this guys mind. Personally I think he was trying to throw it up in the air (to catch it later)
http://shup.com/Shup/26443/1082133256-Did-I-do-the-right-thing-Our-DJ-Talk-DJ-Help-and-Resources-Chat-Windows-Internet-Explorer.png
That's a freeze frame. It's kind of blurry, but I believe I see a fully open hand indicating he intended to throw it. I think it was that intention that pissed me off to dropping the F bomb too.
Afterwards he tries to be cute.
http://shup.com/Shup/26444/1082133537-Did-I-do-the-right-thing-Our-DJ-Talk-DJ-Help-and-Resources-Chat-Windows-Internet-Explorer.png Kinda looks like http://shup.com/Shup/26445/1082133710-Home-Alone-1990-Windows-Internet-Explorer.png or http://shup.com/Shup/26446/108213384-doctor-evil-Google-Image-Search-Windows-Internet-Explorer.png
I don't think it was an accident, I think it was intentional.
jokerswild 03-01-2008, 10:29 AM I'm actually in agreement with the above folks too...
Should you have stopped the music? Yes
Should you have dropped the f-bomb? Knowing you the way I do it doesn't surprise me and while it was a warranted reaction the tone of that reaction could have been made just as clear without the f-bomb.
My reaction probably would have been similar but I'm not using 400.00 mics, currently. But, I certainly would have called him out for being an idiot, throwaway mics or not, you don't treat other peoples equipment as if it were some sort of "Play-Scool" toy your child naws on in the baby pin.....
It's really hard to say how a person would react while in the actual situation... truly, toqer did show some restraint.... I've seen harsher reactions, so bravo toqer. :sqwink:
SoftJock Rick 03-01-2008, 12:25 PM I'm sorta baffled here, that people say they would stop the music... :sqconfused:
I've had people knock over speakers, light poles, etc. while gigging. Never felt a need to stop MY job -- I just pick them up, and put back in place. If something gets broke, I worry about that later -- I'm in the middle of a show. Improvise, adapt and overcome.
I've watched the thing over and over, and it's quite plain he was doing a "throw the mic, and catch it" thing, like almost every performer does on stage. Obviously, he was a bit buzzed :)
I knocked over a drummers hi-hat while dancing at our local club one night. I just helped him pick it up, put back in place, and all was well, smiles.
It's just part of the job man...
Carolyn 03-01-2008, 01:05 PM Rick, Just curious, have you ran a lot of karaoke shows?
Reason I ask is this. If you let it go like nothing happened guess what? The next drunk will think that they can do the same or worse "because it's funny" "or cool". Been there, done that, have the t-shirt and the brownie.
The bigger deal you make out of it, and embarrass the person that did it, guess what? Other customers see it, they don't want to be embarrassed, or ruin their good time, so they are careful with the mic.
When I first started karaoke, drunks would do that crap to me all the time. Bang on the mic, hit the mic on the table, swing the corded mic from the cord, throw the mic in the air. One day a drunk smashed my $300.00 mic on the table and ripped the guts out. I snapped, embarrassed the hell out of that guy and barred him from EVER sing on my equipment again. It was amazing after that, very rarely at that show did I have to deal with it again. Now from the get go, I see someone abusing my equipment I have zero tolerance, they are done.
toqer 03-01-2008, 02:08 PM All the examples you cite Rick are of truly accidental nature (bumping into stuff).
When stuff like this happens in karaoke, it's usually because someone is trying to be a showoff. Being a showoff is intent of itself.
All the stuff Carolyn said, i've had all that same stuff happen. It's really scary when some drunk is swinging a wired SM58 like a medival ball and mace with a 10' radius.
I also agree with her point of setting the example. You let one get away with it, they all will try it.
Still, lesson learned... I gotta be more low key in situations like this. When I get into work today i'm going to be farting around with reaper. I'm gonna try and make an emergency stop key on the midi controller. Hit one key, all mics off cept DJ mic, karaoke BGM off and filler music on.
OT but hey rick, have you played with Arduino boards (http://www.moderndevice.com/diecimila.shtml)yet? I got one coming in the mail. I'm going to build my own midi controller from it.
Getting back OT though... If you haven't, you should really watch my video stream. Watch a Tuesday Night, and a Friday night, and compare the two. Tuesdays is all Japanese, and as with most stuff Japanese there is a big focus on not "Losing Face". Everyone is respectful of equipment, staff, and each other. Everyone stays seated until thier turn. They're also mindful of tipping the KJ.
Contrast that to my nights. College co-eds screaming at the top of thier lungs. People running up and down off the stage. People standing in the aisles keeping the wait and bus staff from tending glasses. It's mayhem.
Why did I bring up those two contrasting karaoke situations? I dunno... Screw it, i'll try and make some sense of it...
OK, you go to an arcade to play your favorite video game. Maybe it's Defender or Stargate? You see some jerkwad there beating on the game for no other reason than thier own amusement.
The owner turns the game off and tells them to leave.
Uhhm, ok, getting closer to a point here...
If both mics break at the same time in the night, where does that leave us? CODB, heh we'll be down for the night. As an equipment steward, I should be able to count on my crowd to be just as tame and as civil as the Japanese crowd.
Oh wait, they're Americans. Hey man, don't infringe on my freedom of speech to be obnoxious.
Don't tread on me. One of the founding phrases of our country.
Maybe the Japanese understand more about being American than we do. <shrug>
SoftJock Rick 03-01-2008, 03:50 PM BTW, no I don't host karaoke, and never have -- albeit, I have been at quite a few shows, and made a complete fool out of myself on a number of occasions (and yes, I swing the mic if it has a cord) :)
I looked at this from two points of view:
1) The singer/customer/client -- whatever you care to call them, and
2) The business owner (you, not the bar owner).
The customer does not care about you, that is a simple fact of life. He/she is there to have a good time, show off their "talents", maybe get on the next AI, impress chicks/guys, impress themselves, etc. Even the Japanese ones are doing the same thing, they just tend to have more manners -- they still don't care about you or your equipment. You are forgotten once they leave.
The business owner (you), have to realize you have a following in this market. Embarrassing customers (whether your intent is good or otherwise), is not a productive endeavor. It may seem productive at the time, but it will only erode the support you have built over the years.
There are two rules to successful business (as described to me by many successful business people):
1) The customer is always right.
2) If #1 isn't true in a particular case, make believe it is, and suck it up.
Making money and being successful, is not about making friends or being in total control -- it is about being able to handle the unexpected in a charming way (in other words, punt, smile and BS).
On the other side of the coin, is Pride (read: one of the 7 deadly sins).
Pride requires you to be in control of every situation that comes along, even when you are wrong, and to make someone else responsible for something, whether they were, or were not...
Inevitably, doing so, will cause you to be less successful, and make less money.
So, the real question is (IMHO):
Do you want to be successful and make money, or do you want to be in control...?
JoeChartreuse 03-01-2008, 05:11 PM [QUOTE/TOQUER]
I've learned some good stuff off the responses. It's nice that the general concensus is I did the right thing, though I could have handled it better. I get told all the time I drop too many F-bombs, it's a bad habit I need to get out of. [QUOTE]
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Pretty much covers it. I would have stopped the song, and used humor to embarrass the jerk. If he gave me an aggressive hard time, THEN I may have given him the "inyerface"- after finding a corner somewhere and flipping to filler. The customers don't wanna see us grumpy.
Drunk mics ( if you can read the singer in advance) are a good thing. For this purpose I use a steel Pyle UHF mic. Sounds pretty good, range of 130 ft or more, and STEEL. Around 65.00.
Bottom line, ya done right, but maybe not the best way...
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(and yes, I swing the mic if it has a cord) - Softjock
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Note to Softy: Question, since you don't host karaoke, would you let a dancer rest their drink on your equipment? Your mixer or amp? And if they then spilled it? A happy face for you? I'm thinkin' no.....
Swinging a wired mic? When I use the wired mics, they are SM-58s or 48s. Kind of heavy. Forgetting about the cost to the host, the next time you swing one, think about it flying off the cable and hitting someone you love in the face... Change your perspective at all? The same goes for the wireless. It may have been an accident, but it happened due to loss off control and overly rambunctious behavior. VERY DANGEROUS TO OTHER PATRONS. Rick, it's not just about the money. Our job is to keep everyone happy, but if we can't, then shoot for the majority, and that includes safety.
Making sure that people know ( and they should-and most do- anyway if they were raised by actual parents who taught them respect for others' property) that abusing equipment won't be tolerated will not only keep your costs down, but will create a more friendly, less aggressive atmosphere. VERY good for business. ( I might add, VERY good for MY business).
Fred Stewart 03-01-2008, 05:44 PM Thanks, Joe.
The repercussions that result from careless and indifferent behavior are not accidents. In truth, accidents are preventable.
In Toqer's case, what occurred was no accident. This was deliberate. It demonstrated indifference on the part of the singer. I beg forgiveness for seeming to come across as a hardass but I do not invest in quality business equipment to have it broken. Neither does Toqer.
You don't start your car then reach your hand into the engine, do you? To do so would be pure stupidity, not an accident. :)
GoodKnightDJ 03-01-2008, 08:37 PM Toqer:
I looked at the video with my wife. We both agree that it was an accident. But, my wife told me that I would have probably had a fit myself, and she's right.
During a charity karaoke event a guy threw down one of my Shure's to do a dance to the song. I took off after him and ran him off stage and out if the building. The mic didn't even get a ding in the screen.
I went out and bought a set of cheap drunk mics and only use my Sures for myself.
The bottom line is that life's too short to worry about this stuff.
My wife just said to me, "Wouldn't it be terrible if the last few minutes you spent on earth was spent worrying about a microphone?".
SoftJock Rick 03-01-2008, 08:39 PM Note to Softy:
See, I told ya that name gives me lots of grief :sqlaugh:
...would you let a dancer rest their drink on your equipment? Your mixer or amp?
I do it myself, why should I worry about others...?
Just more for me to drink, when they forget it :)
...think about it flying off the cable and hitting someone you love in the face...
Now that you mention it, there are a few folks that I wouldn't mind singing to... :sqlaugh:
Rick, it's not just about the money. Our job is to keep everyone happy, but if we can't, then shoot for the majority, and that includes safety.
Save the PC BS for the patrons -- it's lost on me ;)
GoodKnightDJ 03-01-2008, 08:44 PM I bought this for karaoke. Now mind you I don't do that much but they are there for that reason. This plugs right into my extra mic input on my mixer and you can control both volumes no problemo.
http://www.guitarcenter.com/Nady-DKW-DUO-Dual-Channel-VHF-Hand-held-Mic-System-277405-i1127205.gc
BTW, my drunk mics are the four mic version. The Nady's really aren't that bad for drunk mics.
GoodKnightDJ 03-01-2008, 08:52 PM Now to answer Toqer's question...
Stopping the song was the right thing to do. Getting on the booth mic wasn't.
I would have stopped the song, shut down the mics, put up the Looking Back version of Sweet Home, and then escorted them from the stage. Accident or not, the guy is too inebriated and is a hazard on stage. The next time he tries to get colorful he might get somebody hurt. I have liability insurance but don't want to use it.
jclaydon 03-02-2008, 01:40 AM Yah reflecting back on it, this is what would have been the right thing to do...
Kill thier BGM and Mics
Krank up the filler music
Walk over and gently take the mics from thier hands.
Getting on the booth mic and talking smack probably wasn't the best way of handling it, but lets get to the root of opinion i'm looking for.. Was cutting them off the right thing to do (yes I know it could have been done better:P )
Absolutely it was the right thing to do.. If a person is too drunk to handle a mic, then they shouldn't be singing. You have a responsibility as host to keep your equipment in working order so EVERYONE has the opportunity to sing. If that means banning one person for the greater good, so be it.
I wouldn't sweat it to much, everyone has an off day.. If it had been me, I would have made them pay for the microphone, so in that regard you were a lot nicer about it than I would have been.
Just remember, always count to ten before you comment or respond to anything a person says or does.. This has kept me out of trouble more time than I could count.
hope that helps
-James
DJ Cam 03-03-2008, 09:30 AM I do the same exact thing I shut them off and tell them they are done.
If it truely is an accident and I can tell they are sober, I let it slide. But in any indication they are drunk I stop the song and they are done.
lets dance 03-03-2008, 01:23 PM Part of our job is to be cool it was an accident I would have checked the mike if it was ok then the party goes on you have got to expect something like this to happen. At a beer garden where I was playing once I had a football hit my new laptop dead on it slamed shut and hurt both my hands lucky everything was ok, wanted to kill but stayed cool, the show must go on, unless the threat is not taken care of.
JoeChartreuse 03-03-2008, 08:42 PM Joe: Quote:
Rick, it's not just about the money. Our job is to keep everyone happy, but if we can't, then shoot for the majority, and that includes safety.
Rick: Quote: Save the PC BS for the patrons -- it's lost on me
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Sorry to hear that Rick, 'cause it's not BS, and it can't be BS in order to run a successful Karaoke show.. Sorry to sound harsh, but from your entire post, it sounds like you don't care what gets damaged or if someone you love gets hurt as long as you have a good ole time for yourself. That's fine, and won't try to change you, but I have been lucky in that most of the people I know are not like that, even in the rowdiest biker dives that I used to work. However, on the occasion that I do run into one like that, they're done, and I'm capable of enforcing it.
I can only hope you were joking......
toqer 03-03-2008, 09:19 PM YouTube - Wanna Dance? Want to Get Away?
SoftJock Rick 03-04-2008, 08:43 AM Sorry to hear that Rick, 'cause it's not BS, and it can't be BS in order to run a successful Karaoke show.. Sorry to sound harsh, but from your entire post, it sounds like you don't care what gets damaged or if someone you love gets hurt as long as you have a good ole time for yourself. That's fine, and won't try to change you, but I have been lucky in that most of the people I know are not like that, even in the rowdiest biker dives that I used to work. However, on the occasion that I do run into one like that, they're done, and I'm capable of enforcing it.
I can only hope you were joking......
Joe,
My last post was in a humorous way, but the rest were not -- I was looking at it strictly from a business and client perspective.
It sounds to me like some KJ's are very controlling by nature (at least based on many of the comments in this thread).
As I mentioned earlier, I have been to many karaoke shows, and I have never seen a host stop a show and start yelling, because somebody dropped a mic, or tripped over something, etc.
When you hand your equipment over to somebody who has probably been drinking (or just likes to show off), you have to expect that Murphy's Law will in fact take over from there...
At that point, IMHO, you have to take it in stride when sh_t happens. If you can't handle it in a nice way, without losing your cool -- you are probably in the wrong line of business, or are in it for a different reason other than making money, and just don't care about your client base.
BTW, the comment about drinks on the speakers was not a joke -- I do it all the time. If someone leaves a drink on my speaker, I simply move it when I get a chance. No need for confrontation with the people who are directly or indirectly paying my fee :)
Carolyn 03-04-2008, 08:53 AM Well obviously, we are all going to have to agree to disagree.
jokerswild 03-04-2008, 11:55 AM There is a huge difference between accidentally dropping or tripping over equipment and purposely throwing or tipping over equipment. These two scenario's need to obviously dealt with differently.....
If someone accidentally trips or something slips from their hand and it's obvious that, that is the situation then sure I'm not going to stop the fun...
But, if that person is swinging a 1LB microphone from a 20' cord where there is a potential for that mic to go flying off the cord or even extending into the crowd that little 1lb mic is going to smash someones face with enough force to break bones, namely and most likely a nose. In that situation it is up to the Host to control that and if it takes shutting the music off to gain control of the situation then so be it.... I would not want to be explaining to my liability carrier why I didn't stop the action before it got out of control if I could have when they sue me for doctor bills and other losses.
That's why many of us have clauses in our contracts that allow us to stop the music if a situation occurs that we deem as unsafe or even if a guest starts acting in an intolerable way....
Fun is fun but destructive fun, especially if done on purpose is not tolerated, period.
JoeChartreuse 03-05-2008, 01:36 AM Joe,
My last post was in a humorous way, but the rest were not -- I was looking at it strictly from a business and client perspective.
:)
Whew! Kinda thought you were yankin' my evil chain, but wasn't sure.... My bad. :spembarassed:
While I agree that the inyerface should have been avoided, at least in public view, stopping the song and retrieving the mic WAS appropriate. I too prefer to use humor in tense situations to keep all comfortable. The only time I get the uglies is when a patron gets aggressive after being stopped. Then it's a matter of both defense and a quick resololution rather than a long screaming match- just a quick "yer done" and move on....
JoeChartreuse 03-05-2008, 01:39 AM If someone accidentally trips or something slips from their hand and it's obvious that, that is the situation then sure I'm not going to stop the fun...
But, if that person is swinging a 1LB microphone from a 20' cord where there is a potential for that mic to go flying off the cord or even extending into the crowd that little 1lb mic is going to smash someones face with enough force to break bones, namely and most likely a nose. In that situation it is up to the Host to control that and if it takes shutting the music off to gain control of the situation then so be itFun is fun but destructive fun, especially if done on purpose is not tolerated, period.
That may be a clearer way of saying what I meant, Rick..
Jon Tuck 03-05-2008, 02:03 AM Toqer the only thing I feel you did wrong was when you abused your audience initially by not handing out ear plugs.
Proformance 04-03-2008, 02:40 PM I'm with Rick.
Stop the music and move on is fine if that's what you feel you need to do.
But, here's some food for thought:</p>
For the next 7:30 of that video there's a club in which NOTHING is happening, unless of course you count the DJ on his mike arguing with patrons. As a venue owner what would you think?
If I were the owner I'd either rip the DJ a new one or fire him because I didn't open a club to prevent broken mics - I opened it to sell food and beverages. Angry or embarrassed patrons don't spend money - they leave.
If there's a trouble maker we can throw him out. But, let's not close up the shop over a microphone.
Even if the guy deliberately threw the mic to break it. I don't care. Do what you need too to get him off the stage and keep him off with minimal impact to the rest of the venue. Just don't tank my food & beverage business over some guys greasy fingers.
Simple solution would be to pick up the mic and let him continue without one. He gets the message - and the club is unaffected. Then just keep him off the roster - the same way bartenders stop serving people who spill their drink on the bar.
Finally, as a CoDB why are you giving a $400 mic to a $5 singer? "Shure-ly" the last thing this guy needs to be worried about is frequency response. Shock mounting - maybe. But , seriously - why not just give people a tool that is commensurate with their capability?
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