MPEG-1 Audio Layer-3 (MP3) for Video

So, most of us know that the tag that contains all of the details is at the begining of the MP3.

Why can't a format, encoder, and decoder be developed for video? Rick, I think this should be your calling. Imagine the miney that could be made and the beer that could be bought with it.

I think it would be a great idea Tom :)


Unfortunately, there's a lot of folks involved at this point, a lot of different Codecs (and subformats) out there, and it's a mess!

The MP3 tagging, came about when it was a fairly new format, so almost everybody embraced the ID3 V1 tag, then V2. Even though ID3 isn't a standard format per se, it has been adopted by almost everybody, so I guess it is a standard now...

Try to get that to happen in the Voodoo "big name" corporate world now, and you get shot down immediately :sqerr:

Google is doing it's own thing, by trying to "tag", based on comments and stuff, and Yahoo the same, and MS as well. All is related to their own products (search stuff), and not meant to integrate into the files themselves.


ID3 was developed by regular people (and programmers). Video is being done by corps, with services to sell.

It's almost as if we took a step backwards, instead of forwards...


Also, it's not as easily done. We had the internals of MP3 (source, basically), available back then. We don't have the source available for the video decoders now. They are "tightly kept" secrets, as they are tied to the OS, and they don't play well when you try to add stuff to them.

I think it would be a great idea Tom :)


Unfortunately, there's a lot of folks involved at this point, a lot of different Codecs (and subformats) out there, and it's a mess!

The MP3 tagging, came about when it was a fairly new format, so almost everybody embraced the ID3 V1 tag, then V2. Even though ID3 isn't a standard format per se, it has been adopted by almost everybody, so I guess it is a standard now...

Try to get that to happen in the Voodoo "big name" corporate world now, and you get shot down immediately :sqerr:

Google is doing it's own thing, by trying to "tag", based on comments and stuff, and Yahoo the same, and MS as well. All is related to their own products (search stuff), and not meant to integrate into the files themselves.


ID3 was developed by regular people (and programmers). Video is being done by corps, with services to sell.

It's almost as if we took a step backwards, instead of forwards...


Also, it's not as easily done. We had the internals of MP3 (source, basically), available back then. We don't have the source available for the video decoders now. They are "tightly kept" secrets, as they are tied to the OS, and they don't play well when you try to add stuff to them.



A good reason to use open source like Ogg Theora Rick.:spwink:

Y'know, I was a big proponent of Ogg for awhile, but the format didn't catch on, and there's lots of infighting in the open source community (programmer bragging rights, basically -- same as hackers/crackers).

Open source is neat, but it will never catch on without a major manufacturer fully backing it, and imposing standards.

Which means, it is no longer open source ;)


Based on the testing I've done (and am still doing), Mpeg is the easiest format to work with, and is embraced by most everyone. VOBs are worthless IMHO, as they waste incredible amounts of resources, for the slightly better resolution. QuickTime is a complete waste, and WMV is a pain to decode and play. AVI is another waste, IMHO, as they don't seek well.


If you look at the audio part of this industry, there have been people backing FLAC, WAV, OGG, blah, blah, blah, for years. Who won? MP3 :)

Who will win the video wars? Mpeg.

MS basically calls the shots in these wars, and I think that's a good thing, because we need standards, in order to provide interoperability across both applications, and platforms.

Could it be better? Sure, but what's more important, is that we are at least all on the same page...

Rick, have you done any research into different flavors of mpeg-2 files? VBR, CBR, even HD Mpeg-2 files.

Rick, have you done any research into different flavors of mpeg-2 files? VBR, CBR, even HD Mpeg-2 files.

Doing alot as we speak (actually, at this hour of the day, I'm mainly drinking beer, and getting ready to watch Hannah) :)

I'm working on a bunch of video stuff for both Rockit, and a video mixing app I'm building separately.

Learning lots of good stuff, and lots of bad. Very confusing mess they've made of the video Codec world. Hopefully, little Mr. Spock on my shoulder, shall lead me in the right direction... :)

You can add metadata if you put the video in an NSV container. I don't think it would be as hard as you're saying Rick. You could wrap any video file in a custom container, and make the tags part of the container format. From there you would just need a container demuxer.

These type of topics are becoming more and more critical for those of us who continue to use the .vob or uncompressed .mpg formats. Even 1000gb drives are getting jammed.

My kingdom for a simple (and I mean friggin simple!!!) batch file program that can compress .vob/.mpg full sized files into file sizes of say 25%-35% smaller with minimal display degradation and 192-224kbs audio.

Really. Video codec, codec standards, codec settings, codec interfacings, codec playback, etc and so forth, are sheer nightmares for an off-the-street semi-computer literate bose-o like me. This VJ longs for simplicity in plain English.

Headed home from a 10 day Caribbean Cruise. Several pounds heavier, much more relaxed than ever, and still [cold turkey] "smoke free" since Valentine's Day. Hanging in an airport ain't so bad when there's a solid internet connection. Back on the farm tomorrow morning.

You can add metadata if you put the video in an NSV container. I don't think it would be as hard as you're saying Rick. You could wrap any video file in a custom container, and make the tags part of the container format. From there you would just need a container demuxer.

It's not that it's hard to do toq, but who else will adopt it...?

There's no alliance of DJ/KJ/VJ software/hardware producers. We could start one, and call it the SIAA, and give all our money to lawyers to protect our interests :sqlaugh: :sqwink:


Again, no real standards are out there at the moment, that everyone can agree on. Until that happens, I suspect it will continue to be a mess, in as far as tagging video goes...


And then we have poor Cap, who is stuck with 59 gigaterrabytes worth of VOBs... :sqerr:

Rick : I've told ya time and time again. It just ain't easy bein' me, Rick. And that's 59 gigaterrabytes in triplicate!!

Anyway, some day my Prince will come, my ship will come in, I'll find the pot at the end of the rainbow, and get three wishes from the washed up bottle genie. Until then, I struggle to remain me.

Cap havent you rubbed your head lately?

Jon : Why, yes, Jon, now that you mention it, I have. Couldn't stand the loud empty sound in my ears so I stopped (I think).

Not so exciting to be back from vacation but he we are; back on the farm and clearing cobwebs off the keyboard.

Cap, I just wanted to congratulate you on being smoke free. It does get easier as time passes. It has been almost 4 months since I quit and I don't even think about it anymore. And I am sure you, as well as myself, are glad to have that monkey off your back for good. So again, congrats. Good move.

Since the topic of encoding came up... I'll give you a hint, google this..

ffmpeg.

(BTW Doug F will love this) Windows & *nix versions available.

Travis : Didn't fully understand the ffmpeg program and application, but found FOG (disc cloning program) which may be a great replacement for Norton Ghost which went user friendly whacko back in 2003.

Thank you.

it is an advanced (REALLY ADVANCED) program for creating mpeg files, but will also do other formats as well.

Travis : Oh, ya mean just like all the rest of them? Swell!

I NEED MPEG FOR DUMMIES!!!

I might be able to make a batch file (simple double click) of an icon to make it encode to xyz format :)

All I was offering was a free solution :)

It will also convert unencrypted VOB files :)
The documentation is pretty well spelled out in areas too :)

Would that help Cap?

Travis :

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If you can make me something I want, can use, and give me the results desired, I'll pay. Kinda like our Gov. Spitzer.