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Travis B 08-07-2006, 10:18 PM I don't know if it happens in your market or what... but i have seen a lot of clubs fail... and of course the mysterious things happen to clubs (ie gets burned down 4 times, and gets rebuilt, bigger and better)
My Question is in your opinion why do clubs fail, and what can you do to keep money pumped back into them... Now i'm just talking strickly dance clubs.
DJ Dan 08-07-2006, 10:47 PM Everything boils down to bad mangement.
I've worked more than one club that has shut down weather it was by their own stupidity or legally.
A lot of start up clubs are ran by young guys (like me) with no management experience, who want to be a star. Oh, I own a club I'm cool! Then there are the clubs that have management who think they know it all, when they have little to no experience.
Club owners with more experince tend to do better but treat there staff bad. Low pay, no flexability, etc.
Being primarily a bar/club jock, I have many gripes with club management.
After a club fails, I think the best way to built it back up is hire all new staff and get an experinced, professional promoter.
DJ Brian B 08-07-2006, 11:05 PM I think it is cause of people who are drunk then start fights and crazy stuff goes down outside the club. Vandalism and such aswell.
Travis B 08-07-2006, 11:09 PM actually something similar happened just this weekend, requring the entire city police dept to come to the location... It's a small town, but still!
DJ Dan 08-07-2006, 11:53 PM I think it is cause of people who are drunk then start fights and crazy stuff goes down outside the club. Vandalism and such aswell.
actually something similar happened just this weekend, requring the entire city police dept to come to the location... It's a small town, but still!
Bad management, if you had the proper people watching over stuff things would never get that out of hand. A good bouncer isn't a tough guy, he knows crowd control and his muscles are his brain.
Carolyn 08-11-2006, 10:09 AM I am with you Dan, Bad management and ownership. I managed clubs, restaurants for years. The majority of the time the owners are drunks who came into some money. They hire bar managers and then tie their hands and won't let them do their job.
This is really the bottom line if you don't know anything about the business you have NO business being there. Clubs are complicated. Marketing, entetainment, liquor cost, theft, employee's drinking on the job, overhead, inadequate bouncers that are more interested in jumping into bed with someone, rather than protecting the bar, patrons and employees.
People see a bar and think this would be great I could party all the time but they don't look at it as a business.
Fred Stewart 08-11-2006, 12:23 PM One reason some clubs fail is a lack of fresh ideas on the part of the management. If the club offers the same old stuff night after week after year it grows stale.
The emphasis on selling drinks has come around to bite 'em in the butt. With the penalties for DUI and the cops on the lookout for tipsy club patrons, pushing drinks has become a liability.
The ticket is to provide a reason for people to patronize the club. If that involves more family-oriented entertainment, so be it. You gotta do what you gotta do.
Many establishments have succeeded by diversifying. They offer family nights, teen nights, Christian dance nights, War Widows night for the ladies whose hubbies are in Iraq... there are several possibilities.
The Xtreme nightclub here in Dover has survived by promoting to the under-21s. Their proximity to Del State and Wesley College hasn't gone unnoticed... many students are under 21. It works... every Saturday night they're lined up to get in the doors.
Hope it helps.
DJ_BreakZ 08-15-2006, 12:20 AM Everything boils down to bad mangement.
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I have seen many clubs fail because of bad management ... That's the key. You can have a good location and a nice sound/light/bar setup and a good DJ, but if you got a bad manager ... peace out!
Fred Stewart 08-15-2006, 03:46 PM Yeah... lack of onsite management doesn't help.
Some of these clubs are partnerships ~ a guy and his crackhead brother-in-law will do... :D
One smallish club I knew of in VA was bought by a group of lawyers. The previous owner was nailed for tax evasion and had to sell off most of his real estate properties to cover fines and back taxes.
The lawyer group basically played real-life Monopoly and sopped up every property they could. The lawyers were no more club managers than I and the place folded soon after. They picked up some decent rental properties, though.
Kirby Ball 10-02-2006, 09:33 PM Bad management, if you had the proper people watching over stuff things would never get that out of hand. A good bouncer isn't a tough guy, he knows crowd control and his muscles are his brain.
Very true, I spent quite a number of years bartending and have seen both sides of the coin on this subject.
Good bouncers will often spot trouble before it even happens and act accordingly, and defuse any situation before it gets to "whup-a**".
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Jeff Romard 10-09-2006, 04:22 AM Yeah... lack of onsite management doesn't help.
Some of these clubs are partnerships ~ a guy and his crackhead brother-in-law will do... :D
One smallish club I knew of in VA was bought by a group of lawyers. The previous owner was nailed for tax evasion and had to sell off most of his real estate properties to cover fines and back taxes.
The lawyer group basically played real-life Monopoly and sopped up every property they could. The lawyers were no more club managers than I and the place folded soon after. They picked up some decent rental properties, though.
The last club I worked in was owned by a guy who won the lottery and thought he was making a wise investment. The big problem was he couldnt run a good game of marbles.
Theres not enough space on the internet to tell you all that he did but to give you an idea he would book things and cancel them with 10 miniutes to go and a room full of people because they were not cost effective. (yup he still had to pay the shot and provide no entertainment). He knowlingly allowed and encouraged underage people to get in to the bar (I worked there at 17 legal age in Nova Scotia is 19). He treated staff very shabby like they were slaves. He hated to pay for anything (one night i had to lock the booth with a room full of people to get paid)
The sad part is to this day he cant understand why the club failed
Jeff Romard 10-09-2006, 04:24 AM BTW I worked there on and off from 17 to 22. I would quit for a couple of weeks and he would call me to come back. I was young and stupid at the time
djxpress 10-09-2006, 06:58 AM I'm not there!!!
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djrox 10-09-2006, 02:38 PM ...because they don't succeed!
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