Sax-n-Dotty Program

Is there anyone using Sax-n-Dotty Program to run Karaoke?

Is there anyone using Sax-n-Dotty Program to run Karaoke?

If your just getting going with digital karaoke... don't waste time on S&D, Roxbox, compuhost, mtu hoster or any of the others go straight for the gold... Winamp + AutOKdj.... hands down the best. IMHO

If your just getting going with digital karaoke... don't waste time on S&D, Roxbox, compuhost, mtu hoster or any of the others go straight for the gold... Winamp + AutOKdj.... hands down the best. IMHO

I have been using SnD for two years now and have no problem with it except that i would like to see the lyrics in the Winamp Plugin screen too.

I have been using SnD for two years now and have no problem with it except that i would like to see the lyrics in the Winamp Plugin screen too.

Well if you want to stick with SnD just run a second instance of the CDG render just copy the plug in to a new name.... then enable both one on the Singers screen and one on your screen.

Well if you want to stick with SnD just run a second instance of the CDG render just copy the plug in to a new name.... then enable both one on the Singers screen and one on your screen.

If you please, can you elaborate a bit further or write in steps please? Thanks!

If you please, can you elaborate a bit further or write in steps please? Thanks!

In the winamp plug in directory there are two files gen_cdg.dll and gen_cdg configuration (sorry don't remeber the extention for the second but it is a configuration file)

Copy both of these files to a new name gen_cdg2.dll and gen_cdg2

Restart winamp and sax n dotty.... goto winamp configuration plugin's you'll then find two CDG reder programs listed configure one to play on the tv and the other on your screen.

Steps....

1. goto C:\winamp\plugins
2. find two files named gen_cdg.dll and it's configuration
3. copy and rename these two files to gen_cdg2 and name the config file the same
4. In winamp plugin configure this new one to play on your screen

In the winamp plug in directory there are two files gen_cdg.dll and gen_cdg configuration (sorry don't remeber the extention for the second but it is a configuration file)

Copy both of these files to a new name gen_cdg2.dll and gen_cdg2

Restart winamp and sax n dotty.... goto winamp configuration plugin's you'll then find two CDG reder programs listed configure one to play on the tv and the other on your screen.

Steps....

1. goto C:winampplugins
2. find two files named gen_cdg.dll and it's configuration
3. copy and rename these two files to gen_cdg2 and name the config file the same
4. In winamp plugin configure this new one to play on your screen

I'll try that and let you know. Thanks!

Once you have renaimed the two files to gen_cdg2 you should have this in your plugin's screen:

Next go into winamp Options/Preferences and go to the Plugins/General Purpose there you should now see two MP3+G CDG programs...

Select the first one and configure it to play on your singer's screen

Select the second one and configure it to play on your screen

See below...

The second screen that will be configured to play on your monitor is not skinable within winamp or S&D or any other karaoke plug-in for that matter... but it can be sized to 1x and moved to a suitable area of your screen.

The second screen that will be configured to play on your monitor is not skinable within winamp or S&D or any other karaoke plug-in for that matter... but it can be sized to 1x and moved to a suitable area of your screen.

OK I'll try it again later. All went well except for the image in your Post #8. One of those files, (Can't remember which one now) did not show up. It went AWOL. LOL
When the two aspirins that I took take effect I'll give it a shot. I am on my way back to the garage to put back the sledgehammer.

OK I'll try it again later. All went well except for the image in your Post #8. One of those files, (Can't remember which one now) did not show up. It went AWOL. LOL
When the two aspirins that I took take effect I'll give it a shot. I am on my way back to the garage to put back the sledgehammer.

That AWOL file is probably what cause the speedy playback... LOL

I'd go with Roxbox... hands down the best.. not as cluttered and tabby as sax, and you can actually get phone support should you need it..

autokdj is cool, but it lacks a front end.. (unless something has come out in the last couple months)

it feels half finished.. I don't like how you have to start songs, and it's easy to screw up your rotation.. I prefer one screen to do it all..

I love some of the features in autokdj, but I just can't get past the pieced together nature of it..

IMHO that's the only thing keeping it from being the absolute best out there..

is a front end ever gonna' be put in the works?

I'd go with Roxbox... hands down the best.. not as cluttered and tabby as sax, and you can actually get phone support should you need it..

autokdj is cool, but it lacks a front end.. (unless something has come out in the last couple months)

it feels half finished.. I don't like how you have to start songs, and it's easy to screw up your rotation.. I prefer one screen to do it all..

I love some of the features in autokdj, but I just can't get past the pieced together nature of it..

IMHO that's the only thing keeping it from being the absolute best out there..

is a front end ever gonna' be put in the works?

1. What Version of AutOKdj are you refering to the latests is v1.4b

2. Why do you need a front end program when AutOK is skinned right into Winamp? Unless you are meaning a singer's kiosk? and yes there is one of those it is a separate program called AutOKfe

3. How can you screw up the rotation if you aren't messing with it.... let the program do the work for you.

4. Pieced together? It's all layed out for you... you have your Song Entry view, Singer Rotation view, and a Playlist view... everything is skinned within winamp itself.... I wouldn't call that pieced together would you?

Now don't get me wrong S&D and Roxbox are both great products but you have to use their external GUI, why? It's not needed.

BTW I'm a Roxbox owner... so don't take this as a dis... there are many things I like about Roxbox but there are many, many more things I like about AutOKdj that in my mind make it supiorior even to those high dollar hosters.

OK, there are multiple reasons i find akdj frustrating...

though I did use it tonight to familiarize myself before speaking out of school.

#1. you have to enter multiple tabs to do things in akdj
#2. AKDJ doesn't show the artist and title next to a singer's name.
#3 you can't remove, move or edit singer's directly from the playlist, you either have to move things around in the winamp queue, or go to the rotation tab. even in the rotation or playlist view, you can't move singers.. you have to go to the other window.
#4 you need 2 windows to keep track of the songs sung, and upcoming tracks.
#5 lack of a nice big play, pause, and restart button grid. (I'm sure it could be skinned) but it's nice to just click on the next singer in the play list. you can't in winamp.. you have to go to the queue.
#6 akdj doesn't hold window positions on restart.. you have to set up your winamp dividers just right every time you restart the program.
#7 I can not record singers within the app.. once again.. another external app to contend with.
#8 the search window doesn't automatically clear when you click on it.. you either have to click clear, or highlight the former search and delete..
#9 you can't drag and drop re-order the tabs in the playlist, search, or rotation windows.
#10 you have to re-name your entire directory structure to get the songs to show up in a close enough manner to replicate a standard naming convention.



I could go on, but I won't.. My aim is not to bash AKDJ.. it's a work of art.. I applaud mr. greenbowl whole heartedly. But if you're not used to a simple yet effective piece of software that allows you do everything from a right click menu and one screen, then you don't understand what you're missing flow wise. apps like tricerasoft and such completely missed the boat with their convoluted and way too busy interfaces.. I like frank's because it's incredibly simple, and only lacks 2 small insignificant features that AKDJ has.

these are little annoyances that I know would be alleviated with a nice front end that grouped all major functions into one page. That's all... I can't get my groove on with AKDJ.. it's all over the place..

That's all..

I've been computerized for about 8 years, and have tried every one on the market damn near. I always return to roxbox. simple, solid, and reliable.

If any of you guys have user tips for setting it up to be easier, let me know.. the simple fact that I can take multiple requests per singer is the only reason at all I ever checked out AKDJ in the first place.

i'm all ears if I've missed something...

Let me ask you this... I've searched the akdj site ad nauseum, and cannot figure out how to get winamp to pause between singers...

Let me ask you this... I've searched the akdj site ad nauseum, and cannot figure out how to get winamp to pause between singers...


That's easy set Winamp to Manual advance.... then as a singer's song ends you have to press play for the next song to start. Also if you don't want a song to automatically start upon enque you need to turn that off in the configuration of AutOKdj's Karaoke tab... the config button is at the bottom of each view.

i agree with steve on roxbox..it also has the fastest search engine i have ever seen. has an search as you type tab in search box which is still faster than any of the other programs i have used. i have been using roxbox for over 2 years myself...the best phone support you will ever have...goes right to the guys house that wrote it..the only thing it lacks is an kamikaze button..which he is considering to put in

#1. you have to enter multiple tabs to do things in akdj

This is true but again all skinned within winamp and really just another way of doing it... once you get use to how this works I really don't see this as a problem do you?

#2. AKDJ doesn't show the artist and title next to a singer's name.

Why do you need to see the artists name? I realize that some song titles may have been sung by multiple artist and therefore could be very different but, if you the KJ has entered it wrong or the singer has given it to you wrong it is very easy to switch songs thru a right click of the mouse button you can exchange songs for a singer.

#3 you can't remove, move or edit singer's directly from the playlist, you either have to move things around in the winamp queue, or go to the rotation tab. even in the rotation or playlist view, you can't move singers.. you have to go to the other window.

Ok, let me guess you like to mess around with your rotation... let me ask why?

If you follow the rotation rules there should be no need to change Johnny from position 12 to position 6 in normal rotation and if you want to move johnny up then just do so in the playlist que....

This is where a lot of folks going to digital karaoke have problems... they don't like letting the computer control things but honestly this is the only fair way to do it... if you set your rules correctly there should be no reason to need to adjust the rotation manually, except in the case of duets and that's true of any PC karaoke program.

#4 you need 2 windows to keep track of the songs sung, and upcoming tracks.

How is that inconvenient the information is just a mouse click away, Sheesh!

Come on now your just being picky here. When skinned within winamp you have to use it in this manor. Admit it though it's much cleaner this way... remember I'm a Roxbox owner I know what Franks interface is like.

#5 lack of a nice big play, pause, and restart button grid. (I'm sure it could be skinned) but it's nice to just click on the next singer in the play list. you can't in winamp.. you have to go to the queue.

Ok you have me there.... but why do you need large child like buttons?

#6 akdj doesn't hold window positions on restart.. you have to set up your winamp dividers just right every time you restart the program.

hmmmm.... I don't think that's true.... I just made my column widths different and the location of winamp on my screen and the location of the CDG windows.... and it seems to remember for me...

#7 I can not record singers within the app.. once again.. another external app to contend with.

As I recall Roxbox doesn't do it very well either nor does it title your files automatically when your done.... frankly I don't bother recording singers as I see no need to do so.... however this function within winamp using shoutcast to do so does do a couple of things that franks does not... 1. as a singer finishes singing it automatically stops recording and names the file based on the singers name and song title... then when the next singer starts it starts recording again. 2. you can push this to the internet where other folks can listen to your show... and if you have video available thru NSV tools you could even push video of their performances either to the internet or just to record them locally... roxbox's recorder can't do any of that.

#8 the search window doesn't automatically clear when you click on it.. you either have to click clear, or highlight the former search and delete..

soooooo.......again this is a knit pick item.... it's still a "Sayit" kind of search.

#9 you can't drag and drop re-order the tabs in the playlist, search, or rotation windows.

Are you saying you'd like to see the Song Entry tab, EZ Song Entry tab, Playlist tab, Singer Rotation tab, Tickets tab, and Online Karaoke tab in a different order?

I can understand that I have never used the EZ Song Entry tab myself and fail to see it's usefulness so as far as I'm concerned that tab could actually just go away.

It is a good suggestion however if those particular tabs as you call them.... actually they are "views" could be moved up or down depending on the KJs needs it would be nice as it is you can move the entire AutOKdj views up the ML tree I put mine at the top. Just grab the main view and drag it to the top of your ML tree. (assuming you have version 1.4b)

#10 you have to re-name your entire directory structure to get the songs to show up in a close enough manner to replicate a standard naming convention.

This is not a flaw of AutOKdj but rather Winamp itself see with Roxbox and all the other guys out there they are using external DB's to store song locations and names.... Winamp using the tags and when tags are not present as is the case with zip files it goes by the file name and the convention winamp uses is
C:\directory\track# - Artist - Title.zip and ignores anything after that.

This is why I don't bother zipping my files.... I just make sure my tags are correct on the mp3's the other reason is lag time durring the enque process. which causes the lyric screen to pause in the unzipped format I have only one problem and that is two singers wanting to sing the exact same song. More on that later.

I'm not against Roxbox, S&D, Compuhost, MTU Hoster, or any of the other programs out there but most of the complaints leveled at AutOKdj are mostly from users that really haven't given it a fair shake or even time for them to get use to it.... and I can understand that.... most of us are creatures of habit... and if something is different we don't like it.



I could go on, but I won't.. My aim is not to bash AKDJ.. it's a work of art.. I applaud mr. greenbowl whole heartedly. But if you're not used to a simple yet effective piece of software that allows you do everything from a right click menu and one screen, then you don't understand what you're missing flow wise. apps like tricerasoft and such completely missed the boat with their convoluted and way too busy interfaces.. I like frank's because it's incredibly simple, and only lacks 2 small insignificant features that AKDJ has.

these are little annoyances that I know would be alleviated with a nice front end that grouped all major functions into one page. That's all... I can't get my groove on with AKDJ.. it's all over the place..

That's all..

I've been computerized for about 8 years, and have tried every one on the market damn near. I always return to roxbox. simple, solid, and reliable.

If any of you guys have user tips for setting it up to be easier, let me know.. the simple fact that I can take multiple requests per singer is the only reason at all I ever checked out AKDJ in the first place.

i'm all ears if I've missed something...[/QUOTE]

i agree with steve on roxbox..it also has the fastest search engine i have ever seen. has an search as you type tab in search box which is still faster than any of the other programs i have used. i have been using roxbox for over 2 years myself...the best phone support you will ever have...goes right to the guys house that wrote it..the only thing it lacks is an kamikaze button..which he is considering to put in

Winamp's search engine is just as fast... it too is a sayit type of search.... sorry roxbox doesn't hold the cornerstone on that technology.

Support... lets see yup autokdj has it.... just go to their forums or right to an IRC chat.... for karaoke... if you don't know how to find that goto www.7bamboo.com the chat tab and there you'll find links to the IRC chat room where the devs and I hang out.

Kamikaze button already exists in AutOKdj as well as one for singer's history so you can either hit them at a random song from your DB or a random song from a singers history.

It's a fun little game but I rarely use that feature. But, it's there if I want it.

Now, before you guys get in a huff.... let me state that it is not my goal to change minds or to get folks to change the programs they love to use for karaoke... I'm merely pointing out some of the false information folks are subscribing to in regards to AutOKdj.

Just because I prefer one program over the other doesn't mean you should too. I just hate it when folks have the wrong impression about it.

Nuff said...

Now back to S&D.... were ya able to get both of your CDG windows to show?

One question for the Roxbox and S&D users if your programs get closed by mistake thru other means besides the proper way (ie ya hit the X or it locks up on ya forcing you to shut it down) will it remember your playlist, rotation, and qued songs?


AutOKdj does.

Ah! a true AKDJ user... making excuses for the software! :)

all little things that someone using roxbox doesn't have to deal with...

And record works perfectly and titles perfectly.. I've recorded every singer to come through my shows since I started using it... Every christmas I'll give my favorite singers a disk of their year's highlights!

Dude, I have shows with up to sixty people in rotation at once where someone will be in the bathroom, someone will ask to bumped back a few, etc.. rotation is constantly getting screwed with.... I'm a nazi...

I strictly follow the following rotational scheme.. to me it's the only fair way..

new
new
new
new
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old
new
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new
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new
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old
old
new
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old
new
old
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etc..... I believe this is how akdj does it anyway.....

this way your singers that have been there since 8:00 will get to sing a few times.. the ones that walk in at 40 minutes to closing should not be able to sing before someone who has been there all night...

My rule is show up early if you want to sing...

everyone knows, after 10:00 it's usually a 1:45 minute wait for a new singer at least... there's too many singers... what can we do?


I want it to show the artist and title for several reasons... I can announce it properly, It let's me know when we have a "Palooza" coming up (more than 2 songs in a row by the same artist eg a "garth brooks-a-palooza", and well... just because I like to know the artist and title... every other program shows that... I understand winamp's limitations require the plugin to substitute the artist's name with the singer's name...

all these extra clicks add up man...

I went head to head with my buddy who's an AKDJ head... I can smoke him speed wise on any function... not that it's a race, but I'm all about conservation of motion... extra clicks suck...

I want to do it all in 2 strokes..

As for re-ordering the tabs...

I like singer # singer name Artist Title and time till' they sing... the tabs are out of order from what I like, and I can't re-order them like I'd like to...

any other program with a front end allows this..

Like I said... people get used to what they learn on, but those who haven't ever experienced the joy and ease of a simple program designed for a KJ, and not an mp3 player adapted for kj use, do not know what they're missing..

I can train a customer to run roxbox in 3 minutes...

AKDJ takes a more in depth understanding of winamp's features, and how they work...

I don't have a lot of experience in computer KJ and DJ work but I use SnD and have never had any real problems with it.

I too find that it does search as you type. It works and it works well. It can be set to fade a song auto start or set so you have to push play all right from the frond end.

"will it remember your playlist, rotation, and qued songs?"

SnD does, if you shut down the system when you restart the que list is still in place.

Steve Lynch;167468]Ah! a true AKDJ user... making excuses for the software! :)

all little things that someone using roxbox doesn't have to deal with...

And record works perfectly and titles perfectly.. I've recorded every singer to come through my shows since I started using it... Every christmas I'll give my favorite singers a disk of their year's highlights!

Dude, I have shows with up to sixty people in rotation at once where someone will be in the bathroom, someone will ask to bumped back a few, etc.. rotation is constantly getting screwed with.... I'm a nazi...

Steve,

SnD also has a record feature!

What makes you feel like the rotation list you put out is the only fair way to do it?

Aren't you bumping singers down the list when you insert new singers in front of the ones who are older?

I not sure where you got the idea that I'm making excuses for AutOKdj.

Let me see if I can address what you are saying....

1st I can teach anyone to use AutOKdj in it's most fundamental way in like 2 minutes. Even you.... LOL "that was a joke and not ment to be a snide comment." Please read that as tongue in cheek.

Lets start with rotation:

Rotation is what you make it with AutOKdj and how you apply the rules. In it's most basic function it's a first come first serve setup meaning: (N = New Singer, O = Old singer)

Round 1
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
N
End

Round 2
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
O
N
N
N
END

this would continue forever in this fasion.

With that said rotaition can become even more complicated if "New Singer Priority" is engaged. There are a lot of factors that go into how this works in it's most basic setup with out any other settings that would interveen.... it does just that gives a new singer priority over an old singer when their first song is enqued.

Example:

Round 2
O - Currently singing
N Just cued up a song
O
O
O

Round 3
O
O
O
O
O - New singer from round 2

There is a drawback to allowing just the New Singer Priority to control things... yup you guessed it.... what if 4 new singers qued up in round 2 well you'd get this:

Round 2
O - Currently singing
N
N
N
N
O
O
O

And then Round 3 all those new singers would fall to the bottom of the new rotation just as the single new singer did.

See what happens is the new singer would get priority in round 2 but in round 3 he's shot down to where he would be in normal rotation....

Now some factors that can be used to taylor all this...

Its rather detailed so rather than bore you with all the messy details sufficet to say you can make it do what I like it to do which is to insert new singers in the current rotatoin 4th in line behind the current singer and then they just slide to whatever actual position they would be in on the next round.... there are other limitations such as Max Singer Repeat what that does is limits the number of songs one singer can cue before singing a song... for example set it to 1 and the singer can cue one song but then must sing that song before he can que another.... this makes your rotation a sing one bring one type of show... some KJ's like this.

To address that johnny come late scenerio.... 40 minutes to close if I don't have enough singers cued to sing us out then Johnny will sing at least once... if on the other hand (and this is the nice part about AutOKdj) we are out of space AutOKdj tells me so and wont allow Johnny to que up a song except into standby mode which means he only gets to sing if one or more of the singers already cued leaves or gives up their spot.

See in my opinion your knee jerk post was just that... you really haven't delved into what autokdj can and can not do...

If recording via roxbox is easier for you I'm glad.... but for me recording isn't that important. What I wanted was a fair rotation and that's what I get with AutOKdj without so much fuss.... as I said I was a Roxbox user.

I don't have a lot of experience in computer KJ and DJ work but I use SnD and have never had any real problems with it.

I too find that it does search as you type. It works and it works well. It can be set to fade a song auto start or set so you have to push play all right from the frond end.

"will it remember your playlist, rotation, and qued songs?"

SnD does, if you shut down the system when you restart the que list is still in place.

Ahh I didn't know S&D did.... what I'm refering to is a crash recovery system... if I crash windows and winamp but can recover my computer autokdj will have also recovered my playlist along with the rotation as it was at the time of crash.

Man, I wish I could get all the nay sayers together at once provided they came with open minds and simple take AutOKdj thru it's paces just to show just how easy it is to use....

Now believe me I'm not knocking anybodies choice of programs.... but I see lots of KJ's in my area using S&D and not even using it to it's full potential... meaning they still carry on a paper rotation... if you can imagine that... they have a computer and a program with all this power and they still don't use it.

Ah! a true AKDJ user... making excuses for the software! :)

I don't think I was making excuses for any program... you had state some pretty bold generalized statements that were not completely correct.

Like I said... people get used to what they learn on, but those who haven't ever experienced the joy and ease of a simple program designed for a KJ, and not an mp3 player adapted for kj use, do not know what they're missing..

I agree with the first statement most people will defend what they learned on almost to a fault....

Just so you know I started off with RoxBox.... however, I wanted something that would work my rotations for me... with minimal interference from me. That's what prompted me to switch.

I can train a customer to run roxbox in 3 minutes...

AKDJ takes a more in depth understanding of winamp's features, and how they work...

What makes you think that AutOK couldn't be shown in it's most basic operation in less than 1 minute....?

Mouse clicks are nothing.... grabbing a singers name and dragging him down on the playlist cause he had to pee is just as easy.... switching songs a little more complicated but once you've done it... it's as easy as mom's apple pie.

Joker,

Yes, if a crash were to occur it will still have the que upon reload, but to be honest i had to sit here and make my computer crash to find out it just doesn't happen at a show.

As with any of the available systems that i have seen changing a position is simply a matter of drag and drop.

Joker,

Yes, if a crash were to occur it will still have the que upon reload, but to be honest i had to sit here and make my computer crash to find out it just doesn't happen at a show.

As with any of the available systems that i have seen changing a position is simply a matter of drag and drop.


IC

By changing position do you mean their position in the physical rotation or just in their cued position?

As of right now AutOKdj or rather Winamp does allow me to move folks up and down as I please in the Playlist but I can not change their position in the rotation... in other words once RD 3 is done and we move into RD 4 I might have moved singer 26 up to 13 but in the new round he would still be considered as singer 26..... this is a limitation set by AutOKdj because it was felt that the rotation and its rules were sacred and shouldn't be messed with but we wanted the flexibility to bump folks in the playlist up or down as we saw fit... since the 7 Bamboo is a traditional karaoke bar they allow bribing for position they also pay to sing.... but, that has nothing to do with traditional American style karaoke.

I have asked if an update can be made to allow users to manage their rotations in the manor you and others seem to want.... which is to say if Johnny is singer 26 and I want to move him to 10th for the remaining night I can.... it's a good suggestion even if it flies against traditional and fair rotation practices, yet it should be an available feature.

first i like to say to all here, thanks guys its nice to see an forum in which all can sit down like normal humans and have an intelligent conversation without trying to kill anyone..thats what makes this forum totally great to read.the opinions are great.and very in depth.ie tounge and cheek - know when making fun and being very serious..like an big family of friends

second to jokerswild---i am not saying roxbox cornered anything i was just stating my opinon twoards using one program after trying around 4 other progams.sorry if it came out rude or anything.thats all..as to the tech support i was just saying it is cool as heck to be able to call the author of progam at his own house, i know an couple of others have tech on the net, i was in an couple of them for a long time using their products trying to get them to work.and asking why cannot i do that

i also record like steve with no problem...and i play the bars singers during setup and fill ins...everyone loves it..one night i ask one of the regulars to sing and she wasn't feeling well, i popped the recorded song in on her rotation and she almost fell off of chair when she heard herself..she thought that was great..

anyways...

thunder --- what i was saying about the search is it does not have to be in order what you type..example is ope cree arm would bring up creed - arms wide open..most type engines the search has to be in order like arms wide open or creed and go thru all creed songs to find what you need..

also i had my system crash one night using roxbox, i was searching thru my music external drive while an singer was up and it crashed..restarted roxbox and all my ques were still there..never did be able to reinact same error since thou..like i want to again when somebodys singing..sorry folks an dj screwup

and jokerswild when you said --I agree with the first statement most people will defend what they learned on almost to a fault.... is absolutley true .. people do do that

i also would like to see that feature of auto rotation setup in roxbox too but i like the ease of moving them around like i can in roxbox...sometimes crap happens and you need to change things on the fly..all i can say to anyone is to try them all at least once and make an decision yourself..not one program is going to do everything i personally need it to.i would like to be able to take pieces of all programs out there and make my own because i see things in all programs i have tried that i would like personally in my own setup..the last programing i did was in the 80's using rpg and cobol..now over the years brain cells have been lost and there is no way i could.

the main thing i would like to see in roxbox is the ability to play multimedia files thru it...let me explain this...the one bar i set up at has there own sound system and lights...all i do is hook my computer up to there 7000 watt sound system thru there mixing board..anyways they have alot of bands there that play during the summer..the bar owner has mpg files he shot of the bands that he has commercials made from and he wants me to advertise upcomming bands hence the mpg file..but see this is only one time so i don't really need it but it would be nice...i like roxbox cuase of the ease thats all. i have an registerd copy of sax n dottys..thats what i started out with..in fact it is on an backup computer i have but not on my main

Thanks Arcticfix! Believe me no offense was taken... I mearly wanted to explain myself... so I've started a new thread as I think we have de-railed this one enough..... see my topic on AutOKdj... I will try to explain how I run shows but, now bear this in mind I'm not, I repeat NOT going to compare AutOKdj to other programs... so take what you can from the topic but refrain from comparatives... umkay.

Thank you for your time.

The Miller Brewing Company:sqwink:

Joker,

I had to check on the rotation movement because i use a list system I don't use the rotation feature. But to answer your question.... Yes SnD does allow drag and drop in the roatation as well.

Also multiple songs for each singer in the rotation as well.

I don't think it is a feature I would ever use because I don't bump up only down. since a list system is constantly changing the rotation feature is never used just put them straight into the que.

Joker,

I had to check on the rotation movement because i use a list system I don't use the rotation feature. But to answer your question.... Yes SnD does allow drag and drop in the roatation as well.

Also multiple songs for each singer in the rotation as well.

I don't think it is a feature I would ever use because I don't bump up only down. since a list system is constantly changing the rotation feature is never used just put them straight into the que.

You know that's exactly what I see KJ's in my area doing as well they seem to forget or refuse to use their programs abilities... to each their own... but it's why I was looking for a PC solution so that I didn't have to maintain a paper list.

If a system could be set up cheaper than paper that allowed a kiosh and it could tell who was signing up and put them in the order they signup in without allowing them to sign up more than once under different names I would certainly be all for it.

But until that happens I still need to see the handwriting on the wall (so to speak)

Now, before you guys get in a huff.... let me state that it is not my goal to change minds or to get folks to change the programs they love to use for karaoke... I'm merely pointing out some of the false information folks are subscribing to in regards to AutOKdj.

Just because I prefer one program over the other doesn't mean you should too. I just hate it when folks have the wrong impression about it.

Nuff said...

Now back to S&D.... were ya able to get both of your CDG windows to show?

I have not tried it again yet but will do so soon. Thanks!

In the winamp plug in directory there are two files gen_cdg.dll and gen_cdg configuration (sorry don't remeber the extention for the second but it is a configuration file)

Copy both of these files to a new name gen_cdg2.dll and gen_cdg2

Restart winamp and sax n dotty.... goto winamp configuration plugin's you'll then find two CDG reder programs listed configure one to play on the tv and the other on your screen.

Steps....

1. goto C:winampplugins
2. find two files named gen_cdg.dll and it's configuration
3. copy and rename these two files to gen_cdg2 and name the config file the same
4. In winamp plugin configure this new one to play on your screen

I needed to copy only the gen_cdg.dll file not the other one too. I did everything else as directed and it worked. However the screen to which i was referring that i wanted to place the lyrics in was the Pacemaker plugin screen. The Black screen with the horse symbol.
Anyways this option works just fine. Thanks again.

Now, before you guys get in a huff.... let me state that it is not my goal to change minds or to get folks to change the programs they love to use for karaoke... I'm merely pointing out some of the false information folks are subscribing to in regards to AutOKdj.

Just because I prefer one program over the other doesn't mean you should too. I just hate it when folks have the wrong impression about it.

Nuff said...

Now back to S&D.... were ya able to get both of your CDG windows to show?

I needed to copy only the gen_cdg.dll file not the other one too. I did everything else as directed and it worked. However the screen to which i was referring that i wanted to place the lyrics in was the Pacemaker plugin screen. The Black screen with the horse symbol.
Anyways this option works just fine. Thanks again.

I needed to copy only the gen_cdg.dll file not the other one too. I did everything else as directed and it worked. However the screen to which i was referring that i wanted to place the lyrics in was the Pacemaker plugin screen. The Black screen with the horse symbol.
Anyways this option works just fine. Thanks again.

You need to copy both files the .dll and the config file.... the .dll file is associated with it's like named config file and not having dual versions may cause issues with your CDG display configurations.

Which version of Pacemaker are you using that it would be big enough to place the lyric screen in?

I'm using the latest and all I get is a control panel unless I click on the Config button on it. But, definately no room to put a lyric screen... I just arrange things so that my playlist screen is shorter and then fit my lyric screen below it with pacemaker just below the lyric screen it all fits nice and tidy.

S & D in my books was a much better product a few years back before the major rewrite.
but as all the programs stated above are either low priced or free and run with winamp.. which will run karaoke on its own without a program.
These programs listed above are more intro digital karaoke programs (my opinion only)
I use Big_guns program Karaoke-go-round.

No I cannot train someone in two minutes to use it, but once you figure out the features and options you have, its a cinch and customers love it... Been a satisfied customer for nearly five years.. Support is superb. No crashes.. Ever... player built in for reliability.
I can play trivia, kamikaze karaoke, karaoke bingo.. run videos, built in dj program, search-able database for karaoke and DJ music, sound effects.. list goes on and on..

Now some of the programs listed above have some unique features but fail for me in so many other areas.. reliability being first. Singers access second.. I dont want printed tickets.. Singers can add 5 songs in less than a minute. send me msgs, leave emails, Just cant be topped (in my opinion)
Have I put alot of time into these other programs.. No
Have I tried to run a show with Roxbox or autokj... NO

No need to..
If you are looking for something cheap or free.. KGR is not for you... If you are looking for a product that has all the features and is reliable.\ This is it.
I used to spend $125-$135 every 2 months updating my books
Now $0.00
and the program sells itself to my customers and singers.
As I said above S&D was a great product that Sax tampered with to make better but in my opinion just made more hassles.
Besides you dont have to download 871 programs and plugins to get KGR to work.. 1 program 1 download.

Everything above is my opinion: which means I am stating what I like and dislike... If you disagree fine but dont bash me, there are many ppl in OTDJ that have tried version 2 or given KGR version 3 10 minutes and bashed it... so I am just stating I like it and it works for me.

Chaz

You need to copy both files the .dll and the config file.... the .dll file is associated with it's like named config file and not having dual versions may cause issues with your CDG display configurations.

Which version of Pacemaker are you using that it would be big enough to place the lyric screen in?

I'm using the latest and all I get is a control panel unless I click on the Config button on it. But, definately no room to put a lyric screen... I just arrange things so that my playlist screen is shorter and then fit my lyric screen below it with pacemaker just below the lyric screen it all fits nice and tidy.

Hmmmm. It does not seem to be giving any trouble. I am on my office desktop now and in the morning I'll log in to my laptop and send you a screen view of the pacemaker with its Black screen. When maximized it can take up the whole monitor screen. I'll also do as you say and copy that config file, it can't hurt.

I her ya' chaz, but I gave it several months...

I don't like electronic songbooks, because
#1 I run 30 shows a week, and the extra terminals would be added setup and expense
#2 people like songbooks
#3 You lose interaction with your customers
#4 People put songs in under different names
#5 I spent half the night cleaning out songs that people put in for other people who didn't want to sing e.g. David for Celine Dion - My heart will go on.. Of course david didn't want to sing..

Electronic songbooks make it easy to screw around...

Also, I have the fastest rackmount one can possibly make right now. KGR is capable of bringing it to it's knees with all of the resource heavy server side stuff it runs.

KGR has actually helped my business...

One of the local KJ's, who's one of the first KGR customers, and one of the forum elders uses this software, and at least twice a month I get a flood of his customers pouring into my bar saying "his program keeps crashing tonight" then they have to sit through my fair rotation, and they all cry.


(I don't take tips, as I consider that pan handling at a show. I charge a fair rate for karaoke, so I don't need to beg like a homeless person like many KJ's do. I also don't move people around in the rotation... Gotta leave? sorry! Come back when you can stay longer... His shows are usually slow, so you can sing 50 songs every night, and his customers are the type who ask how long till' they're up, and either run out to the parking lot to drink in their car, or drive down the street to another karaoke bar, sing there, and come back... Great patrons... I typically run these folks off forever, and do myself and the bar a favor!)

Anyhow, it really doesn't do anything that roxbox or sax doesn't do...

we have electronic songbooks also, we can do singer photos also, history, videos, searchable database, and dj capabilities. (though KGR is really not a dj program at all. You couldn't really DJ with it.)

I'm not saying it's a bad program, just not the most stable known to man, nor is it the easiest to use....

Once again, I prefer a dead assed simple interface so I can run a quick show, and spend my time talking to customers. Electronic songbooks kill the KJ / customer experience.. It's very impersonal, and takes away the song browsing experience the customers enjoy.

I have very good books... I removed all duplicates, so I have 16,000 different songs in the books, 4 columns, double sided, bound and printed for $5.00 each. I have to have about 100 books printed at a time for all my guys (10 sets of 10) Books are far cheaper than electronic songbooks.

Every show I know that runs with KGR experiences frequent crashes, and nights where stuff is so screwed up they can't even run a show that night. and these are a couple of the guys who are supposed to be "support guys?"

I don't know... I hear more complaints about their system than compliments.

we don't use slips either... I just have singers walk up and tell me their song... that's the easiest way, also, it helps me screen singers so i know they're not playing games with the kiosk system.

I'm a KJ, and I know I had a blast entering fake names one night when I went to see it run...

Just picture big burly the KJ....

Amanda Hugginkiss... I need amanda hugginkiss up here....

hahahaha!


Do you find that people mess with you?

Steve, how ya been.

I actually haven't ran into anyone else using KGR other than my crew.
I don't get crashes.. really none..
Must be their systems...
I run dedicated Karaoke/DJ only desktops.. not laptops.
Never seen internet.

Now before I left Florida I sold one system to a guy.. For 2 months after this guy would call me every other day with a problem or something... When we finally figured out his problem was.. (illegally downloading karaoke) that he had zips with added files in them... and was giving him problems.

Now with the E-books I don't have interaction problems.. I get more time to chat with everyone. I set the singers.. and go chat.
Now I did have a problem with people adding different names like that.(to sing more). but we just altered the sign in process.. a bit.. also put up a instructions to sign in with a few rules..
I just don't like the winamp freezes or crashes..

holy crap what a good Karaoke crew we have here! If I ever go KJ, I'll know where to come! Awesome insight!

Now, before you guys get in a huff.... let me state that it is not my goal to change minds or to get folks to change the programs they love to use for karaoke... I'm merely pointing out some of the false information folks are subscribing to in regards to AutOKdj.

That's not what I see happening.

I see people raising what they consider to be issues with AutoKDJ and you explaining why they shouldn't oughta wanna do it that way.

I am sure AutoKDJ is a fine program in many ways. If you know it well, I am sure you can make it work fantastically. But the reasons advanced previously are many of the ones I tried it and decided to instead pay $180.00 for CompuHost.

I her ya' chaz, but I gave it several months...

I don't like electronic songbooks, because
#1 I run 30 shows a week, and the extra terminals would be added setup and expense
#2 people like songbooks
#3 You lose interaction with your customers
#4 People put songs in under different names
#5 I spent half the night cleaning out songs that people put in for other people who didn't want to sing e.g. David for Celine Dion - My heart will go on.. Of course david didn't want to sing..

Electronic songbooks make it easy to screw around.............................


.....................(I don't take tips, as I consider that pan handling at a show. I charge a fair rate for karaoke, so I don't need to beg like a homeless person like many KJ's do. I also don't move people around in the rotation... Gotta leave? sorry! Come back when you can stay longer... ...................


.......... so I can run a quick show, and spend my time talking to customers. Electronic songbooks kill the KJ / customer experience.. It's very impersonal, and takes away the song browsing experience the customers enjoy.





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