T-Bone 06-06-2008, 08:53 PM I am looking to offer a dane floor camera that moves throughout the dance floor operated by one of my assistants. I have seen some others here doing this. My question is how do you guys get the signal to your video mixer?
Travis B 06-06-2008, 09:44 PM You talking about the wireless/wired part or by using a video mixer of some sort? Please elaborate.
T-Bone 06-06-2008, 10:05 PM Sorry. I'm talking about how to get the signal from my camera to my V-4 mixer. I'm assuming most of you use a wireless transmitter and receiver. I have not seen a unit of decent quality yet that can do this. So my question really is what wireless unit are you guys using?
Travis B 06-06-2008, 10:19 PM Professional quality systems are quite costly, we use wire for everything. A poor mans system would be to get a CCTV wireless transmitter.
T-Bone 06-06-2008, 10:30 PM I have a 75' cable I use now but it seems dangerous for by camera op to walk onto the dancefloor itself with a cable. Do you do this or is the camera off the floor the whole time?
Travis B 06-06-2008, 10:47 PM Something like this???
Amazon.com: Lorex Wireless Camera Video Signal Transmitter: Camera & Photo
Steve Lynch 06-07-2008, 02:33 PM No, this is what you need... This is what a couple of us use, and it works perfectly....
The next best thing will be a professional Modulus system, which runs a couple grand.
These are NOT THE SAME as the ones you buy at ebay, best buy, or amazon...
they're high power, and long range.
they'll get the job done, and best of all, they're cheap as hell!
Papa Deuce 06-07-2008, 05:16 PM No, this is what you need... This is what a couple of us use, and it works perfectly....
The next best thing will be a professional Modulus system, which runs a couple grand.
These are NOT THE SAME as the ones you buy at ebay, best buy, or amazon...
they're high power, and long range.
they'll get the job done, and best of all, they're cheap as hell!
what is?
knardini 06-08-2008, 02:27 AM No, this is what you need... This is what a couple of us use, and it works perfectly....
The next best thing will be a professional Modulus system, which runs a couple grand.
These are NOT THE SAME as the ones you buy at ebay, best buy, or amazon...
they're high power, and long range.
they'll get the job done, and best of all, they're cheap as hell!
The suspense is killing me...
Steve Lynch 06-08-2008, 02:56 AM oh hell, I didn't realize that I didn't imbed the link... sorry!!!!
http://www.creativewirelessav.com
knardini 06-08-2008, 12:32 PM oh hell, I didn't realize that I didn't imbed the link... sorry!!!!
http://www.creativewirelessav.com
Wow, so you've used these and they work okay? This would be a great way to get away from that long cord!!
Which one do you use - or reccommend?
T-Bone 06-08-2008, 12:58 PM oh hell, I didn't realize that I didn't imbed the link... sorry!!!!
http://www.creativewirelessav.com
This looks like just what I need. What model would you recommend?
DougF 06-08-2008, 01:10 PM Looks like you need an FCC License as those units are rather high powered, if these are IMPORTED units they MAY NOT BE FCC TYPE ACCEPTED which means you won't be able to license them. Considering the frequencies used, I'd make sure you have all you ducks in a row especially if used in a metro area. RESEARCH THESE AND THEIR USE VERY CAREFULLY.
****URGENT*****
THESE ARE NOT LEGAL IN THE U.S.
http://www.fcc.gov/eb/FieldNotices/2003/DOC-269176A1.html
excerpt:
Operation on 1.2 GHz is specifically
restricted to aeronautical navigation and the Enforcement Bureau has
received complaints from the Federal Aviation Administration ("FAA")
concerning 1.2 GHz transmitters that cause harmful interference to the
FAA's Tactical Air Navigation System. Because 1.2 GHz is a restricted
frequency, wireless video transmitters operating on 1.2 GHz cannot comply
with the FCC's technical standards and therefore cannot be certificated or
marketed for use by the general public or non-federal government entities.
Accordingly, it appears that SJT has violated Section 302(b) of the Act
and Section 2.803(a)(1) of the Rules by marketing in the United States
radio frequency devices that are not eligible to receive a grant of
certification.
DougF 06-08-2008, 01:31 PM If you put up a signal on that frequency, you run a good chance of being busted, plus possible entanglements with Homeland Security as you would be affecting a frequency reserved for navigational purposes for aircraft. Bring down a plane or cause a near miss you'll be guaranteed publicity for your event.
knardini 06-08-2008, 09:02 PM If you put up a signal on that frequency, you run a good chance of being busted, plus possible entanglements with Homeland Security as you would be affecting a frequency reserved for navigational purposes for aircraft. Bring down a plane or cause a near miss you'll be guaranteed publicity for your event.
I know nothing about these so pardon my ignorance on this one, but when it says "line of sight" does that mean the signal will stay within the venue, or will it "escape" into the surrounding atmoshpere?
jokerswild 06-08-2008, 09:14 PM I know nothing about these so pardon my ignorance on this one, but when it says "line of sight" does that mean the signal will stay within the venue, or will it "escape" into the surrounding atmoshpere?
no no no .... line of sight is the yellow line going down the road when you can't see it any more you signal just drops off.... you know the whole "end of the world" thing and all.... like Columbus.:rofl:
Travis B 06-08-2008, 09:15 PM cue up Boyz II Men - End of the Road???
jokerswild 06-08-2008, 09:18 PM Knardini, you were kidding right?
knardini 06-09-2008, 12:15 AM Knardini, you were kidding right?
not exactly....these units they are talking about are rated for a certain distance from transmitter to reciever. The talk about a line of site distance between the two. My question is will these $100 contraptions really have the power to affect airtraffic a few thousand feet above the gym floor?
jokerswild 06-09-2008, 12:20 AM not exactly....these units they are talking about are rated for a certain distance from transmitter to reciever. The talk about a line of site distance between the two. My question is will these $100 contraptions really have the power to affect airtraffic a few thousand feet above the gym floor?
Ahhh... ok sry.... I wasn't sure since there weren't any smilies I guessed it might be a serious question.
Line of sight is the distance between the two objects un-obstructed to be exact.
Basically if a mic says it has a range of 500' that's 500' in open space from transmitter to receiver.
With a range of 1500' there is no way it would affect communications with an airplane at more than 10,000' heck you'd be lucky to produce static even if you somehow walked on their frequencies.... even if the plane was within the 1500' of your transmitter.
knardini 06-09-2008, 12:47 AM sooooooooooooo...need we be worried about using one of these bad boys for a couple hours each year?????????????????
jokerswild 06-09-2008, 12:59 AM I wouldn't worry... they are only putting out at most 2 watts of power at 1.2Ghz you might run the risk of interfering with a cordless phone or TV at very close range.... think of it this way a CB operates at 4 watts.... and it really isn't until you get above 50 watts that you start disrupting a TV for example.
Also another key factor is the frequency being used.... it is very, very high which means it takes more energy to travel the distance they purport them to reach also you have obstructions such as trees and buildings that will prevent the signal from reaching optimal range any way.
Look at it this way comparing 1.2 Ghz to 1 hz it would take the 1.2Ghz 1.2billion cycles to travel as far as 1hz would in one cycle. That same theory can be applied to answer why bass frequencies fill a room faster than high frequencies.
Does that make sense?
DougF 06-09-2008, 09:42 AM Bottom Line, IF you are found to have caused ANY interference on a frequency on an AIR TRAFFIC frequency expect the absolute worst. Remember planes have a straight line of site with you, albeit a short period of time, but in that short period of time a vital piece of a transmission might be missed, or a false signal could send a system into a panic. Home many planes are in the air, commercial and private at any one time????
Why do you think they have ordered that frequency restricted.
As I said, since this involves aircraft you'll be dealing with not only the FCC but the FAA, Homeland Security and whatever other Gov't Agency wants to claim a jurisdiction. Remember with Homeland Security A lot of things can be done "WITHOUT" benefit of normal due process under the law.
knardini 06-09-2008, 09:44 AM clear as mud :sqerr:
thanks Joker
Randy A 06-10-2008, 06:33 PM Doug, you're such a party pooper. hahaha :)
DougF 06-10-2008, 07:42 PM Just trying to help keep the bottom line safe and everybody out of expensive trouble.:sqwink:
jokerswild 06-10-2008, 08:31 PM clear as mud :sqerr:
thanks Joker
LOL.... ok...
Ummm
Line of sight think if that as in "as the crow flys" but in a 360 degree manor up down over sideways upways downways anyways... as long as something doesn't get in it's way that the signal can't penetrate... for example some signals have a tough time going through brick walls...
So if you have a mic or transmitter that can transmit and be recieved clearly at 500' line of sight.... then as long as nothing was blocking the signal it would travel 500' and be recieved.
I don't know how else better to explain it then that.
knardini 06-11-2008, 12:14 AM So my origional thought of the signal not "escaping" into the atmosphere because of the confinments of a gym wasn't that far off base afterall????
DougF 06-11-2008, 08:22 AM As long as you don't get caught. The law is very specific on that frequency and it's use. IF you get caught expect the worst.
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