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Papa Deuce 06-13-2008, 08:23 PM but I do read the details of the leads you can buy....
They started sending me these "leads" about 2 -3 months ago. Must have had 20 of them so far. I bet 18 of them were for events of 50 people or less. Is that what everybody else is seeing?
DJFuzzy 06-13-2008, 09:41 PM The ones I have been getting recently have been for between 75 and 300 people.
Bryan Durio 06-14-2008, 02:22 PM The sketchy details are what turned me off from their "leads." I'm not going to plunk down some money just to find out that the important details make a lead worthless to me.
Jon Tuck 06-14-2008, 10:21 PM Im going to play the lottery once I get back from Vegas and put 20 dollars in the kitty and see what it brings. ITs worth a try and in my opinion it seems they claim some sort of legitimacy lead thing so we shall see.
Papa Deuce 06-14-2008, 10:23 PM Jon, you can be the guinea pig... :sqwink:
DJFuzzy 06-14-2008, 10:24 PM Im going to play the lottery once I get back from Vegas and put 20 dollars in the kitty and see what it brings. ITs worth a try and in my opinion it seems they claim some sort of legitimacy lead thing so we shall see.
Paypal me $20 and I'll gamble while you're away. :sqbiggrin:
Jon Tuck 06-14-2008, 10:29 PM Im always game for an adventure I wonder If I should wear the fur coat when I sign up. Fuzzy no Im taking it to Vegas for slots. 20 dollar limit win lose or draw.
DJFuzzy 06-14-2008, 10:32 PM Im always game for an adventure I wonder If I should wear the fur coat when I sign up. Fuzzy no Im taking it to Vegas for slots. 20 dollar limit win lose or draw.
YES, wear the fur coat and take a picture while you're signing up. :sqbiggrin:
Kirby Ball 06-14-2008, 11:54 PM I didn't even know that I had a listing on "Eventective" until Papa posted this.
I really don't remember signing up for this site, I guess I'm going to have to pull all my files and see if I did or whether they just automatically posted my information.
Papa Deuce 06-14-2008, 11:57 PM I didn't even know that I had a listing on "Eventective" until Papa posted this.
I really don't remember signing up for this site, I guess I'm going to have to pull all my files and see if I did or whether they just automatically posted my information.
You didn't, and neither did I.
Kirby Ball 06-15-2008, 12:07 AM When I went to check on my "listing" it had a screen print of our home page.
Was your listing like that also?
Just curious..you know me...sticking my nose in everybody's business..:sqrolleyes::sqwink:
Papa Deuce 06-15-2008, 01:52 AM When I went to check on my "listing" it had a screen print of our home page.
Was your listing like that also?
Just curious..you know me...sticking my nose in everybody's business..:sqrolleyes::sqwink:
Yep... they basically signed us up without asking.
Jon Tuck 06-15-2008, 03:43 AM yes and the same here they crossed the border to get me hmm I wonder if they found us here?
DJ Young 06-15-2008, 11:42 AM I actually signed up at Eventective about 6 months ago and so far I have paid for 4 leads and zero of them have lead to anything. I paid $2.50 for each lead and they send you the lead's e-mail address and the details of the event and a contact phone number. I have only sent e-mails but may try to phone one of the leads soon.
young...
Jon Tuck 06-15-2008, 01:19 PM Young in any lead if given a phone number I go straight past the email want them to hear my excitement for helping them achieve the best reception or event they can imagine. I dont do as well in type.
DJ Young 06-15-2008, 10:17 PM The problem is that the 4 leads I got were all tight budget parties and only one was a wedding looking for a budget DJ. I will try to phone one of the leads when I get a promising one.
young...
Most of the ones I've been seeing are for 50 persons or less. A few seem to be larger, but not worth spending $ on them. Lots of 2009 stuff (too far out to bother with).
Although one person saw my listing at Eventective, and (using Google search) found my web site & phone number....and booked me.
Bottom line: if you are Googleicious, they will find you regardless of the lead program. The really interested prospects will find a way to bypass the "gatekeeper" or middleman.
Here's a typical "Eventective" lead, received this morning:
Attention: DJ-MC, Sacramento, CA
RE: A meeting/event sales lead is available in your area
There is a nominal charge for this lead.
We guarantee a pertinent and valid lead or your money back.
The following event request has been generated thru Eventective - the Web's most complete resource for meeting and event space where one million planners visit Eventective monthly looking for venues and services for their events.
The planner has indicated that they need a DJ for this event.
The planner does not know their event inquiry is being sent to you specifically.
Eventective thinks you may be interested in this opportunity.
Event DetailsO'Hara is planning the following event in the Elk Grove, CA area.
Event Name: Brian & OHara's Wedding
Type of Event: Wedding
Date & Time Preferred: 10/11/2008
Number of Attendees: 40
Length of Event in Days: 1
DJ Budget: Don't know/Prefer not to say
Contact via: Email or Phone
Event Information Requested: We're looking for a hall to rent for about 4 hours for our wedding and reception. We plan on inviting about 40 people, and our families would like to help in catering it. Please let us know if you will be able to accomadate us. Thank you! Brian and O'Hara
Planner also requested replies from: DJs, Officiants.
notice that its for 40 people. (the reason they prefer not to say their budget is probably because they don't have any $$$)
NOTE: I'm already booked that weekend, for an event with 200 guests, at $1188.
Randy A 08-25-2008, 06:14 PM I just got done sending a request to have the unauthorized listing of my site removed from theirs. In the past two months, I've recieved some really hokey ones.
Today's Latest & Greatest.........I might have actually given them a call if they weren't so restrictive on the song selection. To demanding for my taste and I don't need the headache.
Event DetailsEvent Name: Ryan & Kirby Wedding
Type of Event: Wedding
Date & Time Preferred: 10/24/2009
Number of Attendees: 200
Length of Event in Days: 1
DJ Budget: $300 - $500
Please send the following information: We want all songs to be approved by either one of us before playing. We will have a detailed list of songs we want to hear. We will provide a list of songs we DO NOT want to hear as well.
Planner also requested replies from: DJs, Videographers, Caterers, Photographers, Transportation Providers.
Services NeededDJ Service Type: 80s
90s
Alternative
Dance/Disco
Jazz
Other
R&B
Reggae
Rock
Swing
Techno/House
Indoor Event: yes
Start Time: 8:00pm
Duration: 4 (hours)
Special Requests or Comments: no smoke makers please
Sometimes when someone says "$300 to $500" that means they can go as high as $599.
For me, even that amount would get me for 4 hours in Late October (no pre-event meeting, casual attire, subwoofer optional).
10-24 (for me) is a hard date to sell......too far from 10-31 for a Halloween party and way past the expiration date of Wedding Season (May 1 to October 11).
For that date, and most dates in November, Feb, march--- I will be more flexible on the price issue.
Sometimes $599 for 4 hours playing time and NO MEETING wearing dockers & sneakers (no tie) is just as lucrative (on a PER HOUR BASIS) as 6 hours for $1088 and you had to meet with the client for 2 hours and set up two systems and had to change into suit/tux and be there 2-3 hours earlier to set up.
Randy A 08-25-2008, 08:00 PM Sometimes when someone says "$300 to $500" that means they can go as high as $599.
For me, even that amount would get me for 4 hours in Late October (no pre-event meeting, casual attire, subwoofer optional).
10-24 (for me) is a hard date to sell......too far from 10-31 for a Halloween party and way past the expiration date of Wedding Season (May 1 to October 11).
For that date, and most dates in November, Feb, march--- I will be more flexible on the price issue.
Sometimes $599 for 4 hours playing time and NO MEETING wearing dockers & sneakers (no tie) is just as lucrative (on a PER HOUR BASIS) as 6 hours for $1088 and you had to meet with the client for 2 hours and set up two systems and had to change into suit/tux and be there 2-3 hours earlier to set up.
Did I say anything about their budget?
jokerswild 08-25-2008, 08:15 PM Actually yeah you did mention their budget in the cut and paste.... but what you didn't do is mention it as a deterrent to booking the event... I think the biggest deterrent was the demand for pre-approval of all music before it gets played.... nothing like tieing your hands.... sheesh.
However, I might investigate it a little more just to see how flexible they may or may not be.... it could be they are just leery of you playing explicit music.
There's nothing wrong with probing for more information without committing to the client.... call it a fishing expedition.
Randy A 08-25-2008, 08:28 PM I don't chase anything......if it feels right, I take it, if it don't, I move on. Heck, I do 15 events a year just in my school accounts! :)
I mentioned the fact about the music restrictions being my beef, nothing with their budget.
jokerswild 08-25-2008, 08:38 PM Sorry if I sounded like I was accusing ya of something...
I don't blame you.... I wouldn't chase them either... just a simple email inquiry would suffice... but that's me.
That being said.... I agree that the posted inquiry was very demanding sounding and has potential bridezilla written all over it. Still I'd be curious.
Got one yesterday for a wedding and reception with 200 people on 04/24/2010, I paid the $2.50 for the lead before I noticed the 2010 date, I emailed a quote, adding in price adjustments. Haven't heard back yet, guess they are doing some very early price shopping. Oh and the reception is only 2 hrs.
Special Requests or Comments: no smoke makers please
So no doobies then.....
DJ Young 08-25-2008, 08:55 PM This Thursday I am working a fundraiser for the local YMCA. I got the gig through Eventective. It doesn't pay much but its from 11:30am to 2:30pm and it's for charity but hey now I know Eventective is legit.
young...
Randy A 08-25-2008, 09:23 PM What I didn't copy and paste was their contact info --- both email and phone number. So, how does Eventective make money?
DJ Young 08-25-2008, 11:25 PM They charge you $2.50 for all of the information they don't give you up front. I have $12.50 now invested in them and I landed one gig so it seems worth the money if I can land one gig in every 5 paid leads.
young...
sparkieg 08-26-2008, 01:09 AM After paying for several leads that didn't pan out, most from folks that never responded to the emails I sent, I cancelled my account with them.
Randy A 08-26-2008, 05:08 AM They charge you $2.50 for all of the information they don't give you up front. I have $12.50 now invested in them and I landed one gig so it seems worth the money if I can land one gig in every 5 paid leads.
young...
Young,
But, I recieved all the info above, plus all their contact info --- email and phone number. What else would I have had to pay for?
sparkieg 08-26-2008, 06:55 AM Just for info sake, for those of you thinking about signing up for an Eventective account, when a potential customer pitches their event info to the service, it's like price shopping - the info goes to EVERY vendor that is listed with the service.
It doesn't matter what you set your price limits at, even though the service says that your listing settings help filter out low bids, they don't.
It's kind of like that LendingTree.com radio commercial - Banks bid for your business. You basically have to compete with the other vendors offering the same services that you do.
Just thought you folks would like to know.
Randy A 08-26-2008, 06:56 AM Another reason I didn't sign up for their service, nor appreciate the fact that they just put me in their database without my knowledge.
DJ Young 08-26-2008, 08:44 AM I signed up to try it out. I figured it was a scam as well but one lead turned out. I am still not sold on them but they are legit.
young...
I'm still getting garbage from them. They all get deleted.
Most of the time, my web site is above theirs in Google anyway. Eventually, the non-cheesy ones will find me!
DJ Young 08-28-2008, 12:10 AM I had another Eventective lead today. This one had entered a budget that is 20% higher than the regional average. Even if I come in at the low end of their budget it will be more than my most expensive 4 hour package. This one would be a nice lead to work with.
young...
Fred Stewart 08-28-2008, 12:54 AM Eventective has been spamming like crazy. They've been snaking email addresses. I just bounce the stuff back and delete it. Way I figure, I didn't ask for their emails.
Jim Casey 09-03-2008, 08:38 AM I have a unique perspective on Eventective. they are actually based here in Portland, Maine and I have chatted with management there.
Here are the two big problems with Eventective as I see them.
1. Lack of definition when it comes to a qualifying lead.
Most leads state that they are looking for caterers, function facilities, etc, and then as a "side thought", they need a DJ too.
It is a waste to buy a leads with this issue. They don't even know where the event will take place, so how can you, as a professional DJ, give them a fair price. You cannot.
2. Unrealisitc budget numbers.
This is another site that simply thinks we will pay them $2.50 per lead just to get that precious information. They couldn't be more wrong.
They are not sending useful information to us right now. Until they do, my suggestion os to say "No" when they send you an email (as I have for the last 15 leads I have received from them)
Cap Capello 09-03-2008, 08:47 AM Here's an interesting perspective.
If the materials and content on a web site are clearly marked as proprietary and may not be used or duplicated in any manner without the expressed written consent of the owner and yet, without such authorization, and they have duplicated at least the index page, are they not inviting a legal wake-up call of potential copyright infringements?
Here's an interesting perspective.
If the materials and content on a web site are clearly marked as proprietary and may not be used or duplicated in any manner without the expressed written consent of the owner and yet, without such authorization, and they have duplicated at least the index page, are they not inviting a legal wake-up call of potential copyright infringements?
Somehow I don't think anyone will complain since they're getting free advertising.
I've had several prospects say they saw the Eventective site, then they "googled" my name and found my regular web site.
How can that be bad?
and, like Jim Casey (above)....I've just said "NO" to all of their spammy leads.
(If someone is SMART enough, they will FIND me thru normal channels. Anyone who cannot figure out how to "Google" is too stupid to be a DJMC customer anyway!)
Cap Capello 09-03-2008, 12:44 PM And what "if" a competitor decides to "rate you", give you a bad rap, and their cousin, along with Mom and the next door neighbor too. Good luck fighting that (as we have seen on many a negative Nazi's posts...I mean Knotties).
Is one sure they are willing to roll the dice with their reputations, being totally out of their control, for a few worthless tire kickers? I decide who, what, when, and where my ads go.
And what "if" a competitor decides to "rate you", give you a bad rap, and their cousin, along with Mom and the next door neighbor too. Good luck fighting that (as we have seen on many a negative Nazi's posts...I mean Knotties).
Is one sure they are willing to roll the dice with their reputations, being totally out of their control, for a few worthless tire kickers? I decide who, what, when, and where my ads go.
Cap, I've been in business for too long and my customers are smart enough to know when a competitor has posted a fake review.
Right now, I have one on a page (not Eventective) which is buried on Page 3 of Google. Fortunately, I monitor all these sites on a regular basis.
Even more fortunately, the page is on one of the subsidiary pages of IAC (InterActive Corporation, owners of Ticketmaster, City Search, Insider Pages, Merchant Circle, Fandango, etc).
Kate Bxxxxx (married October '05) is a Senior VP of IAC/City Search and can vouch for my reputation, since she's one of my customers! (her review is "Fun Lover in SF", in City Search)
being afraid of Fraudulent Reviews is RIDICULOUS.
once you are established, like I am, with lots of successful events and a positive track record......its pretty hard for jealous competitors to derail something like that!
Cap Capello 09-03-2008, 02:33 PM Matt: once you are established, like I am, with lots of successful events and a positive track record. Some day, maybe. I'm working on it every day and spend some extra effort to protect what little I've earned. Thank you for the advice.
Yesterday I got an e-mail from Insider Pages saying the review from "Josephina E." was removed.
(I have never had a customer named Josephine, Josefina, or anything even close.......never even KNEW anyone by that name, except for the Flip Wilson character "Josephine"......or was that "Geraldine"?)
Not sure if my "connections" to IAC had anything to do with the quick yank........I also got an e-mail from my past bride Kate.......she's on maternity leave!
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