Bose PAS. Where do you stand?

Ok bout time to have a thread on this... i know some opinions on it... I'm open to the next PAS technology, heard however not enough low end even with two bins. Like how small it is though.

"Hello My name is dj brian, I will show up to the party with a laptop and 2 little sticks for my speakers. I dont need much space since I bring it in a car. I only need a table and thats it. I will bring one Martin Acrobat for the lighting, yes one light. $100 for the deposit then $700 due on the party date!"

OK TRAVIS THAT WAS DJ NUMBER 1...

"Hello My Name is dj brian b I will show up with 2 Racks filled with amps, dual cd players and mixers etc. We will bring a truck to bring the gear. I will bring a truss filled with intell lights to creat a club atmosphere. There will be 2 Speakers per side and 2 Subs! $100 for the deposit and $700 due on the party!"


I would pick DJ number 2 in my opinion! :)

i hope your not throwing DJ #1 on me ;) lol

"Hello My name is dj brian, I will show up to the party with a laptop and 2 little sticks for my speakers. I dont need much space since I bring it in a car. I only need a table and thats it. I will bring one Martin Acrobat for the lighting, yes one light. $100 for the deposit then $700 due on the party date!"

OK TRAVIS THAT WAS DJ NUMBER 1...

"Hello My Name is dj brian b I will show up with 2 Racks filled with amps, dual cd players and mixers etc. We will bring a truck to bring the gear. I will bring a truss filled with intell lights to creat a club atmosphere. There will be 2 Speakers per side and 2 Subs! $100 for the deposit and $700 due on the party!"


I would pick DJ number 2 in my opinion! :)

I have to agree with Brian here, I can see the PAS being useful for weddings and events where it would impress the customer to have a small foot print.

Personally, if I hired a DJ and he walked in with two PAS sticks I'd laugh at him especaially for teen parties or even in a bar atmosphere.

As for sound quality, I've never heard them so I cannot comment.

for the wedding dj i do agree these are an ideal setup. Some wedding brides want the DJ "out of the way" and "not stealing the spotlight".

Greets, folks.

The PAS is a line array system. Comparing it to a conventional PA rig would be unfair to both system types.

While I agree the PAS produces an excellent tone I happen to feel it is far to pricey to justify the tone or ease of load. These attributes may be found in more conventional PA systems that cost the user much less.

Some PAS users have attributed success to use of the PAS. In this old dog's humble opinion, it's not the Bose logo not the system proper that's drawing compliments.

It's the tone. People notice the tone. :)

Hope it helps.

Fred welcome to ODJT, you are telling me clients are actually comming up and saying... Dang that sounds good? I've always heard people say "Man It sounds loud" Or what they really mean is distorted, or maybe indeed too loud. That interests me, it says that clients are concerned about the overall sound.

Greets, my friend and thanks for the welcome. :)

Indeed, overall system tone makes a world of difference.

As I understand from reading comments from PAS users, some of these folks seem to feel that the PAS alone has increased their bottom line.

I do not doubt that a good tone will assist with referral bookings. Audiences notice and appreciate good tone. Yet, I feel that the PAS is not necessary to achieve a warm tone. Clients and guests will notice a nice sounding system, be it a PAS or conventional PA or FOH.

The apparent advantage of any Bose system is spoon-fed acoustic response properties. I liken the PAS response to the Bose Wave Radio. To be sure, it sounds great when the listener is standing close to the device. However, the device is not intended to project this near field tone response 100 feet away.

My issues with the PAS lie with the price tag of the Bose logo, nothing more. :)

Hope it helps.

Hi Fred,

Nice to see you here! :) How you like the place, I'll be updating the default theme shortly so we don't burn your eyes. :D

My issues with the PAS lie with the price tag of the Bose logo, nothing more.

Couldn't agree with you more :)

Hi Fred,

Nice to see you here! :) How you like the place, I'll be updating the default theme shortly so we don't burn your eyes. :D

Thanks, Dan. It's my pleasure to be here. :)

The site looks great... you've put a lot of work and time in this project. Just let me know if I can help, my friend.

Can we all agree here, that PAS posts must remain CIVIL? ;)

Can we all agree here, that PAS posts must remain CIVIL? ;)

We don't have to "agree", cuz we're all cool...not sure about you, but you may stay and play.

Hi, Wolfie!

Can we all agree here, that PAS posts must remain CIVIL? ;)
Agreed. All posts in a business equipment-related forum should remain civil and factual.

If ya wish to poke fun, we have a forum here for that. If you prefer uncivilized behavior, there's always the Harmony Central forums. :D

Back to your regular scheduled thread...

A problem that I have with the P A S is the cost. It's too much money for so little gear. I am a person that spends top dollar on top gear. Bose is not top gear. I currently run Yorkville LS800 subs, Mackie S215 tops, JBL SF25 duals, 2 QSC PLX3002, Denon 9000 dual deck and Denon S5000 tt's with a Denon
X800 and Vestax PMC400 mixers.

I guess it boils down to what ever works for the DJ.

I have little doubt that the PAS works well for its intended use. It's an easy system to load, setup and work with. All processing etc is built in. It's kinda hard to screw up the tone with a PAS. This aspect alone enhances the system. :)

Agreed, the cost is daunting. I'd love a PAS for ceremonies and such but can't seem to get past the Bose price tag.

i would love to demo one, then just for small events and weddings use the bose system... There is no doubt it could get a few gigs though.

I have little doubt that the PAS works well for its intended use. It's an easy system to load, setup and work with. All processing etc is built in. It's kinda hard to screw up the tone with a PAS. This aspect alone enhances the system. :)

Agreed, the cost is daunting. I'd love a PAS for ceremonies and such but can't seem to get past the Bose price tag.

See, that was my original thinking, but I changed my mind. BTW, this only applies for events UNDER 300 people, IMO, which would be 98% of my events.... break it down:

my amp QCS 3402 was $1300
My speakers MPro 215's.... I think $1100 ( don't remember )

So there is 2400 bucks and I have NO SUBS. Now The PAS with 4 bins is $4700. If I was BUYING subs I guess I would spend about $1500 + or -. So now I am at $3900. $800 difference. The bass won't kick as heavy from the PAS, but that is OK. I am not doing clubs or schools. It rocks PLENTY hard for the events "I" do.

Next, I figure --- and TOTALLY BELIEVE --- that the BOSE name does help you sell your services. My buddy just booked a wedding and he booked the guy who had the Bose. He told me that Bose was what sold him. So, it happens, regardless of what some people would say.

So, next you add in the ease of set up, and the weight factor. A HUGE plus for many.

So, why didn't I buy them? Because I couldn't find anybody to demo them! GC was the only place I knew that carried them, and the admitted they really did not know what they were doing with the PAS.

So, I bought the stuff listed above. Had I HEARD and SEEN the PAS prior to my making a choice, I would have bought them. Sucks for me.

And, BTW, I think you can get by with 2 bass bins just fine, IF you are doing parties under 200. Add 2 more when you get the cash. Oh, and BTW, it is AWESOME the way it doesn't feedback even if you try! And it is also cool the way you can statnd near them and still have a conversation fairly easily.

If I only knew then, what I know now...........

Thanks, Papa. :)

I am wondering if there is an online listing or database that lists Bose PAS dealers by location? If there was, prospective buyers could locate a dealer and set up a time to give the system a listen. Perhaps the Bose website could help?

Agreed, the Bose name carries brand recognition with many clients and guests. And the appearance of the PAS is a plus.

The PAS was never really intended for this kind of work it was meant to reprodouce live music and voice in small venues Bose just happened to luck in to the DJ market
But those who like it sure do like it and there is definatly marketing value to the Bose name
But as far as sonic properties the PAS dosent stack up to most conventional systems. 85Hz is 85 Hz no matter if its from Bose speakers or Electorvoice JBL or whatever
One of the things that scares me about the system is the fact that Bose dosent like to release specs because they feel the "average user" wont understand them. How many pro systems do they feel they sell to "average users" and do they feel that with a quick sweep of the internet the average user couldnt learn what these numbers mean
But the be all and end all is if you like the sound and feel its good value for your dollar this is the system for you but personally for that kind of cash I feel that it could be better spent on bigger sound

If I've said it twice I've said it a million times...

Ill re-post this indepth evaluation/review I performed when I purchased the Bose system:

03/09/06
OK,

Last night I dropped some do-re-mi on a new PAS system: 2 sticks and 4 bass bins. I did so only because of the Guitar Center 30 day guarantee and for the following reasons and despite my reservations and experiences.

At the Guitar center and after a lengthy listen, to one stick and 2 bins, I thought the kicks, cymbals and vocals were sweet, I really like the look and size of the rig, I liked the fact that the gear came with protective covers and carry bags, and I am fully aware of the Bose reputation outside the pro audio community, IE. the world the clients live in. I also liked the idea of a more balanced volume level over a bigger space. I'm not sure this system truly accomplishes this despite the supporting claims, but I'm willing to learn. I also liked the speed at which the system broke down. The salesman, a knowledgeable guy, claimed set up was just as easy.

I didn't like somethings I heard. The mid & lower-mid bass seemed muddy at higher volumes and the very bottom was all but nuttless. The price, $4700, was a negative but I wanted to get my head around this new way of doing things, not to mention that any Guitar Center is a less than optimal environment to properly evaluate such a rig. Also, it didn't seem like the system was all that much smaller than a conventional 2 up/2 sub/2 amp system. Despite that, and the not so glowing evaluation of one of my dj's that was with me, I left with the system and plan to use the rig this Saturday at a mid-sized Barmitzvah.

When I got home I began unpacking the system. As you'd expect the stuff is well put together and attractive. The bags for the sticks and the bases were very good and looked nice. The covers for the bass bins were a little disappointing. Those covers are bottomless and seem like a pretty pitiful shortcut for such an expensive system. I'd have preferred, no, expected, given the price of the gear, a cover that protects all 6 sides. Minor but worth mentioning.

My first exercise was to determine the best way to load the cart with this new rig. I was very pleased that I could fit everything, including my coffin, on one cart load and with no discernible overload problems. Big points for this. If I were to organize, with more seriousness, my music into one or two Slappa 600 cases, I'd have no problem getting everything in on one trip. As it stands I'll need one gear run and one music run.

Unable and unwilling to wait till Saturday and curious as hell, I decided to set up the rig in my currently empty, awaiting furniture, den to give it a run with my source gear. I've done that.

The cables that come with the bass bins are way too short for dj use. They are sufficient is you place 2 bins by each stick. However, the system definitely sounded better, not great, but better with all four bricks centered and in a 2 x 2 config. The cables were too short for the necessary run. Minor point but worth mentioning. Set up was easy and relatively quick. Using current pop/radio/rap ish and a favorite sound check track from Seal, I am left hollow. The overdrive indicator came on way too soon and appeared overdriving the system would be easier than not. I hope my experience is different in the bigger venue this Saturday.

Just a note: Before we moved into this house, when construction was just completed and the place was practically empty, we had a Halloween party at which I set up my conventional system: same source gear (2xCDJ1K & a DJM600), two JBL MR925s, two EV S-181s, one Peavey CS800X and one Peavey CS1000s, crossed over at 100. The Bose system pales and fails in comparison. Seriously so in the sub-bass portion of the program and surprisingly so in the mid-bass regions.

First take: Conventional system leading by a mile. Unless the environment this Saturday reveals something I've missed, I'll be testing some new boxes next week. I really wanted the Bose stuff to live up to the proponent's claims and the price.

I'll report what I find after the gig.

2 B continued.

03/13/06
OK, here goes,

First I'll highlight the things the PAS system did very well.

1) The compact nature of the system was a blessing. I was able to get the entire system and music into the venue, with one trip. Saved me at least 15-20 minutes on load in/out. That's a very nice benefit.

2) The physical set-up was a breeze. 10 minutes after getting into the room I was doing a sound check. That's about 1/2 the amount of time of my conventional systems. Since time is valuable, I liked this a lot as well.

3) The venue manager liked the Bose system and commented how uncluttered the system looked. In other words, it made a nice impression. (My conventional systems have received similar comments) So, maybe a small benefit there.

4) In the unpopulated, with peeps, room, the sound was uniform, almost, both in sound quality and volume, across the entire space. There was still a noticeable difference on the dance floor, but not enough to be considered drastic or, from the layman's perspective, noticeable. I liked the fact that the volume was almost as loud enough in the back of the room as at the stage and I was still able to talk, anywhere in the room, without having to raise my voice in the slightest.

5) Either the system's phasing characteristics or the DSP capabilities allowed the microphone to be used directly in front of the speakers, (both sticks and subs) with no noticeable feedback, during the presentations, and without the the need for additional processing. I liked that.

6) Tear down was marginally less time consuming but definitely easier, a condition of being lighter and smaller. I liked the included transport bags. Loaded the Gemini Sr. hand truck, and one trip did the job. Again, time is money and this system saved time.

That's the main "+"s.

And now for something completely different:

And the reasons I'm returning the system, with some regret but mostly because of a concerted honest evaluation, and getting new conventional speakers.

1) Regardless of the settings, 57 or 00, there was never and there was never going to be enough bottom end to fill the space. And this was not a giant room. Theories are nice to discuss but Bose has always, as do guys with little cranks (lol), theorized that size doesn't matter. In the world of sound reproduction and female satisfaction, they are mistaken.

If you want to move big air, which serious low bass requires, you need 18", or at least 15". Eight 8" drivers are only greater than One 18" driver on a calculator, and generally I use two 18s. I'll put one of my EV S-181s against the four subs I used Saturday anywhere, anytime. When I hook up both S-181s, there ain't no competition.

2) Even the lower mid-bass frequencies were less present. I suspect that is because in the conventional system the 150-350 frequencies are reproduced with a 15" driver. Again, size matters.

3) When the floor was packed with younger dancers, they kept asking for it to be louder. I know they were really asking for more boom but I gave some more volume. I know that's not what the system is designed for, but it is what I needed and there was nothing left in the tank. The sound quality was noticeably degraded at the elevated volumes. The orange overdrive indicator lights were also scary. I never have to over drive my conventional systems.

4) I would have liked to spread the sticks out farther but the supplied cables were too short to keep the subs together in the most bass friendly configuration. I know there are longer cables available but for the price of the system, I really don't want to spend more on expensive proprietary-ish cables.

5) Based on Ken's (Petersen) wise and appreciated assistance, I used the supplied controllers to magically correct some issues that existed without them. And Ken was right. I did notice improvement when adding the controllers. However, I didn't like having to add another piece into the signal chain as it was just another thing to monitor. Very minor point but worth mentioning.

6) The system cost $4,700. While that is comparable, although higher, to the cost of my conventional bi-amped systems, from my evaluation it didn't provide enough flexibility or redundancy for the dollar. Since I already own way more than enough quality power amps, the costs of the PAS is double the costs of the conventional options I have available. And that's for JBL/EV/Turbosound gear. And not the entry level line either.

Synopsis: For me the things I liked about the PAS system could not overcome the things I didn't. The convenience and uniform sound of the Bose stuff could not overcome the total spectrum sound quality and bass output that my conventional systems have provided me for over the last 20+ years in this racket. In the end the it as all about the sound.

I'd like to thank Ken for his assistance. It was truly a generous act on his part to help me in my evaluation. I suspect that the proponent's of the PAS system simply have different needs for their gigs than I do. That's why there are markets for Chevrolet Suburbans and Honda Pilots. You can't get a sheet of plywood in Pilot but you can in a Suburban. However it is possible to drive past a gas station in Pilot, in a Suburban, different story.

I hope my experience/experiment/exercise is helpful in quashing some of the debate and that it can assist other with their equipment decisions. As they say in Frogtopia, "Vive Le Difference!"
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I remember that post from another lifetime....
It was one of the few honest reviews ive ever read on the subject

I think I heard something about the Bose L1 system, once.

:sqlaugh:

"Hello My name is dj brian, I will show up to the party with a laptop and 2 little sticks for my speakers. I dont need much space since I bring it in a car. I only need a table and thats it. I will bring one Martin Acrobat for the lighting, yes one light. $100 for the deposit then $700 due on the party date!"

OK TRAVIS THAT WAS DJ NUMBER 1...

"Hello My Name is dj brian b I will show up with 2 Racks filled with amps, dual cd players and mixers etc. We will bring a truck to bring the gear. I will bring a truss filled with intell lights to creat a club atmosphere. There will be 2 Speakers per side and 2 Subs! $100 for the deposit and $700 due on the party!"


I would pick DJ number 2 in my opinion! :)

Brian...you know you're my 'boooyeeeee!" but I'll pick on you a bit here. I sent you a pm awhile back on the same subject regarding equipment pics/listings on your website...

The problem with your comparison, is you're equating tons of equipment with what would be a "great dj." You're not the only one that thinks this but your average client will NOT use the amount of equipment you bring to an event as a validation of you being good. They will not hire you because you bring a truck to transport your equipment to the event!

As I've said ad nauseam, djs get hired on the emotional experience they can provide for their clients. As much as you want to think they hired you because you have scanners...they did not. If you met them in person, there was something about you that said to them, "this guys going to be good."

This old school philosophy is finally going by the wayside but you'll still see dj's websites/yellow page ads that read something like, "10,000 songs! Lights! Weddings! Corporate! School dances!" etc. As long as the people in MY area keep doing that...it's ok with me.

The only other thing that is wrong with your comparison is that in dj #1, (the Bose example I'm assuming) the price would be much, much higher! (I'm assuming you are a good dj, experienced, etc.)

For the record, from what I've read, Bose is not using the model name PAS anymore...apparantly it is already being used. L1 is the name of the model we're all talking about so START USING IT!!!! LOL hee hee...hardy har har

The problem with your comparison, is you're equating tons of equipment with what would be a "great dj." You're not the only one that thinks this but your average client will NOT use the amount of equipment you bring to an event as a validation of you being good. They will not hire you because you bring a truck to transport your equipment to the event!

While the case most of the time I recently got A call from A friend (A Bose user) I sub for now and again. He asked me what I would charge to play at one of the larger venues in our area
I gave him A price and asked why he didnt take the event himself I know he has more than adequate gear and lots of it to be able to handle the event if he were to properly configure it. He told me thay wanted lots of speakers,big sound, and NO BOSE equipment. I was rather suprised that 1 he would admit it and 2 the client requested it
Mind you as I said this is not the norm but having lots of gear does come in handy on occasion

The L1 line array system is not DJ equipment. It is marketed to small combo bands, not DJ companies. It is definately not a conventional PA nor FOH system.

For my part, I honestly don't see what all the fuss is about either way. If the L1 will work for smaller shows (and you can justify the cost of the system), use it. The L1 is a spoonfed system.

If you need a conventional PA or large FOH system, use it. A professional passive FOH system is not spoonfed. You'll have to work with it to get a good tone.

If you use an L1 system on stage and need more FOH, hire a professional sound company and mic the damn thing.

Running sound isn't brain surgery, folks. It's simple acoustics. Utilize the proper business equipment for the job. :)

Hope it helps.

All of my events to date have been less than 150 people and are either weddings or corporate parties.
I'd love to hear the L1 system and might very well consider it for use in these events....
Once again, I think we demand more from ourselves than what our clients expect. I've read that the biggest complaint at a wedding reception is volume...too loud. I've done a bunch of gigs with my FBT Maxx 6A's and have had a couple of complaints about too much bass....Mind you to me, there wasn't enough...and I'm thinking sub, which probably is completely unnecessary for a wedding.
I believe the L1 will get you bookings; there is no arguing that 99 percent of the guests, venue staff and planners will be impressed and that ultimately will get you more business, particularily in upscale venues.....
Yes, it could all be smoke and mirrors..however, if the guests are buying into, perhaps I should too.....

Once again, I think we demand more from ourselves than what our clients expect.
We do and for the most part we should. The ones that do expect more from themselves and give more to the client. It sets us apart from the competition

I've read that the biggest complaint at a wedding reception is volume...too loud. I've done a bunch of gigs with my FBT Maxx 6A's and have had a couple of complaints about too much bass....Mind you to me, there wasn't enough...and I'm thinking sub, which probably is completely unnecessary for a wedding
Not necessarily in youre case Steve but in alot of cases people mistake volume for bad tailoring especially in the midrange area. The odd time when i am carryng the subs I will get a comment on too much Bass but I cant remember the last time I heard someone say it was too loud and I know how loud Ive been on occasion
I believe the L1 will get you bookings; there is no arguing that 99 percent of the guests, venue staff and planners will be impressed and that ultimately will get you more business, particularily in upscale venues.....
There is no doubt about it

"Bose L1's? Where do I stand?"

Anywhere I want.
(usually between 'em.)









:sqlaugh:

I've been full time for 21 years and I've never heard of another piece of gear that has had the effect on the mobile DJ industry as the BOSE L1 system.

Think about it all you longtimers,,, anything???? Driverack? that stirred it up for about 2 months.

"I currently run Yorkville LS800 subs, Mackie S215 tops, JBL SF25 duals, 2 QSC PLX3002" how much does all that gear costs?

BOSE has a high price tag,,, oh and yes I own them BTW, and I'm glad it does costs so much, keeps more people from buying it. LOL :)

Is it the end all of all systems? NOPE!! But it works for me.

And when I get those gigs that need bigger bass, teen events, what do I do? I use my other speaker system (Techno Mad) or in the extreme case, I will rent something.

So yes, I agree it doesn't have that gut punching club glass rattleing bass... but for 99% of my gigs, I don't need that. You might need that at 99% of yours.


But I could be running Radio Shack gear and still be a good DJ.... I'm just that good!! ;)

Anywhere I want.
(usually between 'em.)
:sqlaugh:


oh, I thought it was behind one, and I couldn't see you.

In light of how much fun this subject has been today we are not doing it again.

Sorry, this one is closed too.

OK everyone, we all know that for some reason the PAS threads get everyone all riled up so we're gonna close this one for a day or two and let everyone step back, take a deep breath and relax.

When it's opened back up, please refrain from turning it into another pissing match about the Bose system.

As promised, the Bose threads are now opened.

Let's keep it civil.

Thank you in advance from your friendly neighborhood mod team. :sqbiggrin:

please refrain from turning it into another pissing match about the Bose system.

I find that pissing on my Bose system only causes problems that aren't covered by the warranty... :sqwink:

I find that pissing on my Bose system only causes problems that aren't covered by the warranty... :sqwink:

I can here the comments from your customers now....

"Sounds great, but what's that smell?"

:sqlaugh:

Let the pissing begin!!! The L1 is... ok never mind:sqwink:

PAS certinly has it's place. But then so do the oher two camps active and passive cabinets...

PAS is for very elegant events where you're not trying to build up asomshpere using the look and feel - just the music itself. One sense - hearing.

Smaller Actives is that middle of the road. You want to hear the music - but you also want a bit of thump to get their feet moving - Two senseshearing and feeling

Then the more conventional systems decked out with light shows... thats three senses - hearing, feeling and seeing

All depends on what it's gonna take to make the party

I will sing the refrain!

As promised, the Bose threads are now opened.

Let's keep it civil.

Thank you in advance from your friendly neighborhood mod team. :sqbiggrin:

Closed by Carolyn, re-opened by jfactor, I see who wears the pants in THIS family! :sqwink:

Actually Tim, it was a joint decision to close and re-open the thread after a few days. We all share the pants :sqwink:

Actually Tim, it was a joint decision to close and re-open the thread after a few days. We all share the pants :sqwink:

But she looks better in a skirt :sqwink:

I was just being humorous:)

well..i have heard it..even touched one..but at the back of the room with my eyes closed.....could tell the difference

yis

joe

But she looks better in a skirt :sqwink:

I dunno...... :sqlaugh:

I think we need side by side shots to deside.. ;)

Im going to go out on a limb and say she probably looks better even in a CHICKen suit as well.

Carolyn looks fine in anything... or nothing.

Aw hell, did I say that?? :eek:

Anyhow, wasn't this about the L1? ;)

I am pleased to say that I got to spend some time with Carolyn, Cap and others in Orlando yesterday, field testing the Bose system. I have a lot of thoughts about it and I am looking forward to posting a comprehensive review of my thoughts when I have some time in the near future.

In the meantime, I would like to thank Cap for coming down and giving the presentation, and thank all of the other DJs for bringing other equipment for comparisons sake. It was good to see some old friends there, and meet some new ones.

I think the impressions and opinions there at the demo were as varied as the opinions already expressed here, but I am looking forward to sharing my individual observations with you all.

Thanks Harry! It was great to meet you also!

Thanks Cap for the invitation to the expo, enjoyed it and of course enjoyed meeting you.

Here's a big wet kiss for Harry! (o)

From what I hear it dosen't matter where you stand. It sounds the same where ever you are in the room :sqwink: .

Yep, that is a fact! Anywhere in the room you get the full frequency spectrum from 85 hertz to 12K hertz.

Yep, that is a fact! Anywhere in the room you get the full frequency spectrum from 85 hertz to 12K hertz. Are you sure? How did you determine that spectrum, in what environment was it measured, and with what specfic equipment (e.g. L1 stand alone or L1 with a B1, or L1 with 2 B1s)? What was your input source used to generate the measurements?

Shhhh, is that Cap!

Sup, homeslice? Hope your Christmas was Merry and your New Year is safe and prosperous.

okay come on Guys and umm Cap did you not say you wouldnt play in this quagmire atleast on this subject?

Rocky quit throwin Rocks

Steve well you have a gig to prepare for and some DJ/KJs to hire

STICKS and stones will break my bones but names shall never hurt me.
A bit of playground advice!!

Someones kitty pooped in the sandbox go post something productive guys so someone can clean up this ish.

Shhhh, is that Cap!

Sup, homeslice? Hope your Christmas was Merry and your New Year is safe and prosperous.

Yo JayT,

SHOW ME THE ROCK! Seriously, Where in the words "Sup, homeslice? Hope your Christmas was Merry and your New Year is safe and prosperous" is anything but simple well wishes? Damn. I'm laughing but I am stupmed.

Lighten up fellas, dis ain't sain brurgery!:sqwink:

Y'know all these arguements would be solved if Bose would post the specs....

But then again you cant pay for this kind of publicity

BTW Steve we have roughly the same numbers on the specs. Ive been told I was wrong but I never seen any specs to disprove what I said

specs are now released....


34c 24 34 5'6 115 blonde

hope that helps.

Sign me up for 2 Scott

Was the sound able to radiate directly to your anus?

That would be mid-Bass:sqeek:

LOL

I don't think he used any of the gear that ROX listed but the guy who gave me the numbers set a single L1 and a single B1 up in his test box and ran a full analysis of it's output using the $10,000 junk he uses when testing the speakers he builds.

However, I agree that he could have been wrong all someone has to do is show me the specs from Bose and I will "eat dem words!"

Play nice guys, please. If you wanna kid around, that's what the Pub and Funny Farm forums are for. :)

If it's any help, some upscale manufacturers don't spec their speakers out. I know Meyer doesn't. Ask Meyer for speaker specs and they'll tell you what amp to use with it.

Yup, it can be fustrating. If one is charged with running sound successfully, system specs sure help. :D

But that isn't Cap's fault. Cap ain't the CEO at Bose.

Gentlemen, obviously we cannot stop the arguing or stop the inappropriate jabs taking place of what some DJ's use as their tool of choice.

In light of those arguments and attempting to re-open this thread, it is now permanently closed.