OK, if it hits the fan, how're you gonna.....

......deal with it. This is directed to you computer based guys: There's a lot of loud noise out there in regard to downloaded songs. People are starting to get hassled, fined, etc.... How will you be dealing with it? Will you carry your discs (or case labels ) with you? Will you switch back to discs? Ignore it and hope for the best?

Any input greatly appreciated....

I'm not worried. I have all my discs. I may have my songs on mulitple drives but they only serve as backup.

Computers are the way of the future and they should be more concerned with establishing that base that trying to shut down current computer users.

I think that downloaded songs are the way of the future however, not in their current format. I think there will be some sort of encryption that will only allow a downloaded song to be played on one and only one computer. This would not be a trick. There will be cracks of course, but the manu's will know to whom the original download belonged.

Until there is absolutely defined and enforced licensing and use criterion, it's biz a usual here.

Though being a solo-op (single user), having all the original media sources for the digital files (records, tapes, CDs, DVDs, et al on prem in a huge library), purchase receipts going back many years, and no internet downloads, may not keep me under the radar, should the Fickle Finger of Fate get pointed in my direction, the feeling is one of reasonable comfort.

This was predicted years ago! LOL

In the US unlike Canada there is no legal way to transfer from one format to another for use in a commercial venture. While I think that will be changed and a method of licensing for transfer will come about I also think the industry is going to have to show it's power and shut down a number of DJ operations first to acheive compliance. I since I run both Computer and disc based DJing it isn't a problem to just leave the computer system at home.

I guess one thing I can say about dial up internet connections, "they won't find any songs on me that aren't backed by a disc.

Already happened.

I was DJing a wedding and some guy claiming he was from RIAA came up and wanted to see my CDs. I told him to take a hike. He flashed some ID, I handed him a business card and told him to call me to set up an appointment; otherwise, beat it.

That was three months ago. Haven't heard from him since.

In the US unlike Canada there is no legal way to transfer from one format to another for use in a commercial venture.

Could you elaborate? Do you mean, like, from records to minidisc? Or, from the internet onto CD? Or, something else?

http://www.avla.ca/license.html#djlicences

Already happened.

I was DJing a wedding and some guy claiming he was from RIAA came up and wanted to see my CDs. I told him to take a hike. He flashed some ID, I handed him a business card and told him to call me to set up an appointment; otherwise, beat it.

That was three months ago. Haven't heard from him since.

Going to be a pain if you get notice of an appointment with the guy in a U.S. district court.

Well it seems the record companies will be looking for more ways to make money. Maybe the solution is getting a license for DJ's letting you use your computer and have backups regardless if you bought the CD's at a store, record service or the internet. Maybe that's the only way of keeping things "legal". They should go after people with illegally obtained music libraries or people selling HD full of stuff, etc. They need to make the fee for the license reasonable and that way people could forget all the hassles they might go through. One does need to keep invoices for music purchased online as well as having the original CD's at home (Carrying thousands of original CD's is just a bad idea since somebody can steal them). I've been collecting music for a very long time and have converted LP's that are not available today to mp3's, have backed up everything into three hard drives and a copy into DVD R's. I don't download music but I still have every single album I've purchased during my lifetime and plan to keep em all ;) .

I think that downloaded songs are the way of the future however, not in their current format. I think there will be some sort of encryption that will only allow a downloaded song to be played on one and only one computer. This would not be a trick. There will be cracks of course, but the manu's will know to whom the original download belonged. Aye, Microsoft's Digital Rights Management has already filled in these gaps, and more recently with an improved "Microsoft Black Box" which creates unique keys per system.

For a good read see this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_Media_DRM

Going to be a pain if you get notice of an appointment with the guy in a U.S. district court.

Stopped buying CDs when pay services like itunes came around. I have always been a tech junkie and usually am the first on the block to jump on the next big idea.

The day they want to fine me for using the technology handed to me, is the day I hold my arms out and say lock me up. Not before I tap every media source available to exploit the effort.

Most folks in this country are fighting the wrong battles. Some nerd can sue Tigger for lint in his eye, but I can't make living using the tools I've purchased.

Bring it on!

Since I own my Cd's I will continue to do just as I have done. To me there is no difference as fars as how I feel. I agree with basic it is the wave of the future.

For those of you who want clairification. There is currently NO legal way in Canada to back up your karaoke if you are a KJ using cdg discs for profit. It doesn't matter if you own the discs or not.

If someone knows for a fact that you are using a harddrive to play digital karaoke files, they can report you and the police can come arrest you, and confiscate your entire collection on the spot. I know this for a fact because that's EXACTLY what happened to me. The judge let me go with a stern warning because it was painfully obvious that i was not pirating, which is what they charged me with.

Now there are download sites in the US like tricerasoft that have master rights included on the tracks they sell. These SHOULD be legal to use, but the judge at my trial said that i would have to get WRITTEN PROOF from either Tricerasoft, or each of the karaoke manufacturers.. The only one that I have gotten an email from so far is Zoom Entertainments... none of the other manufactorers will get back to me.


hope this helps

-James

JC,

Get in touch with Gai Marcos at tricerasoft. Let him know toqer sent ya.. Tell him what happened to you, and ask him to obtain those letters from the mfgr's he sells and put them up on his website.

As far as what i'm gonna do if the **** hits the fan, i'm calling my vice mayor cousin to tell the police to get the **** off my back. Or i'm calling my cousin in dispatch, or i'm calling my beat cop cousin. I might also call my great uncles (they're lawyers) I'm also going to call Robin Gross of IPjustice, since she's only 50m north of me in SF and is considered an expert in this area of IP law.

I'll also call my friends at AOL/TW to stir up **** for whatever company brings charges against me, they have like a HUGE army of lawyers.

Yah, mostly i'm going to dredge up whatever legal help I can find and kick ass like I always do.

JC,
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As far as what i'm gonna do if the **** hits the fan, i'm calling my vice mayor cousin to tell the police to get the **** off my back. Or i'm calling my cousin in dispatch, or i'm calling my beat cop cousin. I might also call my great uncles (they're lawyers) I'm also going to call Robin Gross of IPjustice, since she's only 50m north of me in SF and is considered an expert in this area of IP law.

I'll also call my friends at AOL/TW to stir up **** for whatever company brings charges against me, they have like a HUGE army of lawyers.

Yah, mostly i'm going to dredge up whatever legal help I can find and kick ass like I always do.


Toq, one of these days you're gonna have to hop of the fence, and stop being so wishy washy....:sqlaugh: