Debate: Live broadcast from a function ?

ok can we find out about this please
I have a Dj here locally that wants to do this and I know that if he does he may get shut down but that I will wait and see

here is what is written so far about this on his site (names suppressed to protect the dammed)


DELAYED TELECAST PARTIES

A fantastic and new surprise for the public with ***** ** **** is a new service that we will be offering in the not so distant future is our Delayed Telecast Party Service.

Part of this new service is the ability to put online in a slight delayed broadcast your party or wedding function, what this means is your guests that couldn't attend your party or function, but would have loved to be there on the night, can now enjoy the function from any location around the world as if they were actually there.

How often have you had relatives or friends that simply weren't able to attend but wanted to share that special evening with you.? Like most people they would answer yes to this, well now those absentee guests can be a real part of your evening.

here's how it works, for those guests that cannot for one reason or another attend in person, you can let them know they can share in the wonderful night by logging onto ***** ** website, go through the formal registration process and pay the 2 day Special Membership fee of AUD$40.00 (subject to change at anytime), once the fee and membership form is recieved, we will activate a special pass for your night online on our site, this pass will last a total of 2 days, giving your guest / sample time to view the party online.

After their initial 2 day pass expires they will no longer be able to login to the special section we create, but in the 2 days they have access they can watch the entire video as much and as often as they like.

In the coming future we will also be offering a "LIVE" broadcast, live from any party event, keep tuned in to our pages to find out more.


could this be a copyright or privacy issue in the future ?

I would also like to add that this can be a issue of filming minors would you let a 10 year old to be filmed like this even if they have it secured (you know nothing is 100% secure these days)

so I'll leave it for some input!!

Isn't an event video and/or wedding album the same thing?

What releases, legal forms, and contract stipulations do video and still shooters require?

Whatever they have would certainly be parallel to this, as the only difference is who is shooting it.

Your concern may be well taken in terms of the fee schedule and collection mode. That smacks of something completely different than a typical/traditional event video/photo album.

Cap from what I have seen its the Dj onsite!!

I have to wonder, beyond the legal issues, is would anyone really want this? Is there that much of a demand for guests saying " I could not make it, but damn I would love to sit at home in my robe and watch your event". Seriously, I don't see this going anywhere.

PatrickLewis : There are many potential long range benefits to this concept which, unless those considering it want potential hacks [copy, cut, and paste jocks who "do the same thing for half the price"] to rip it off, might best be taken off-line? Haven't the historical lessons been learned yet? While sharing information is a wonderful thing, giving away the candy store's secret recipes isn't. Shall we chat?

DJDennis : We have two such DJ/Video guys here. Yep. They do both at the same time. Doesn't seem to be an issue but then again that doesn't mean there isn't one lurking somewhere. I honestly don't know but it's worth some investigation.

I don't see a problem with streaming audio from a club setting. Video opens a whole can of worms though.

There is a club I work with a bunch in NC. One of the services they offer bands is a live webcast of their performance, as well as a DVD of it. On nights that bands are doing this, EVERY person entering the club must sign a waiver stating they no video cameras are recording. You dont sign it, you dont get in.

This is the only way I could see something like what is described by Dennis working, and I think it would be kind of odd make wedding guests sign a waiver.

Some thoughts about a technical standpoint...

People like free, so where to get the money from? Upsell it to the bride and groom
Where are you getting the internet from? This cannot possibly be done from every single location and venue, keep that in mind if your offering this as a package. Even using a verizon card will throttle your useage.

Who is your target audience? Most people who would watch it on the internet would either be home sick, or elders, or have kids. . . keep this in mind.

This could be a great selling point to get people to your site... why charge? It would be pointless.

Maybe having the Final DVD be able to be ordered from the site. But don't post the entire file up there, bandwidth issues are killer!

Isn't an event video and/or wedding album the same thing?

What releases, legal forms, and contract stipulations do video and still shooters require?

Whatever they have would certainly be parallel to this, as the only difference is who is shooting it.

Your concern may be well taken in terms of the fee schedule and collection mode. That smacks of something completely different than a typical/traditional event video/photo album.

Cap

I'm not 100% sure but I think the release for private video and broadcast video would be quite different. To broadcast you have to have release from everyone in the room that is captured on video for private its a mass release signed by one

IF this was done in REAL time for a PRIVATE event like a wedding, going to a PRIVATE group of people, via a secured(non-public accessible) connection, wouldn't this amount to the same thing as a video conference and music would be covered just as it would be in our normal DJ world? A private event to a private group of people.

Where as a Live Club Event,publicly available, would fall under something like Internet Radio streaming as far as Music Licensing goes. And IF it was a down loadable archive wouldn't that require Mechanical Reproduction Rights for the music as in any other duplicated recording????

As far as permission for a person to appear on a videocast, from what I recall IF it's in a public place, and you Post Signage in plain site at the entrance that the event is being broadcast, that to enter past this point that you are giving permission to appear in the broadcast. These signs MUST BE posted in plain site at the main venue entrance, and at the entrance to the actual room or location where the cameras are present.

I used to have a sign from Dick Clark Productions that some one gave me that was posted at one of the entrances to the American Music Awards, and that's how they did it. But I'm not a lawyer, I'm justing relating a narrative that I "believe" to be true.

Aside from the legal issues which I don't pretend to know much about...if there's a market for it - the guy's a genius!

But as Patrick already mentioned...would anyone want to? My first thought would be "no" but I've been wrong before about other things. I think it would be better to charge a bit more to the b/g and let the relatives and guests view it for free. If they would even want to...that's the $24,000 question.

Does anyone else get a headache from trying to read that?

Secondly, in addendum to my original post, what software are you going to use to mix and stream the video feed? I am quite familiar in some software we sell at our office that does exactly this, but not quite at a DJ's price point.

Bounce: I was looking at that myself to see what is $$ wise possible (not for the average Dj, unless he has a Degree in Television work first...)

Cap & jfactor1: this will certainly open a can of worms...

djdawg: even if he is are you willing to pay for the $$$ costly video streaming for 5x or 6x hrs.... I wouldnt

HiDefDj: reading what ???

I just got back here to the post... Windows Media Encoder can take a stream, and stream it to a windows media server (must get a special media host). You could in theory plug in a single camera (usb) and mix it to the encoder, quality will be sub par broadcast quality. Or some type of IO device with an Edirol V4. Still your looking at several thousand dollars in equipment. As with the VJ Live or Video Toaster solution we sell at the office, around 10,000 - 20,000 as we custom build each PC for each application. They are built as "beefy" servers.

Oh thanks Bounce...

was just thinking then (opps brain strain) what about the waivers for staff and the venue ?

would that have to come into it as well, could the venue also have something to say on this ?

there we go more things to look at....