I had some fun on Craigslist...

I really didn't expect any responses to this, but I got one a few minutes after I posted, from another DJ. Here's what he said:

"Wow.

Pompous, over-blown....and conceited.

All in one ad.

I will recommend all my clients look elsewhere.

Thanks,

J J"

I had to laugh, because that's exactly the response I'd have hoped for (You'd think I was a GWYW guy)... here's my ad:

Minnesota's Most Expensive DJ, Disc Jockey, Party Specialist (Breezy Point)

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Reply to: DiscJockeyTyrone@aol.com
Date: 2007-09-07, 5:26PM CDT


I'll explain...

I've been DJing for over 16 years all over Minnesota and Western Wisconsin. Most of the DJs listed here are offering their services at a very low rate... after all, this is CraigsList. So, why does Justin Timberlake charge more than "Billy Bob's Country Band"?

Take a moment to understand how this works, and why the lowest price DJ might not be the best choice. Many here have other jobs, and DJing is a "hobby" to them to make extra money. The time and effort put into "serving" the customer, just isn't there for a hobbyist. Do you want a part time pilot flying your airplane on vacation? Same deal with DJ's. You really do get what you pay for.

Most of the DJ's here are new, young fellows who have "starter" equipment and low skill levels. They know who they are... and their price tells you who they are. Many more here, have multiple listings and different descriptions, hoping one of them will catch your attention. That may be a good marketing tactic, but it's not fair to the customer. I have only this one listing.

So, why me, and not the other guys/gals? Good question... I've been doing this for 16 years, and have NEVER missed a performance. I've never hit on the bridesmaids, and never been drunk or obnoxious at a wedding. I don't smoke and I know how to get a party going. I have the very latest hits from "Billboards" charts. I look, act and dress professional.

My equipment is "top of the line" and my lights are amazing. You know the lighting on "Millionaire" and "American Idol"??? That's the lighting I have. I have DMX "intelligent" lights that most DJ's have no clue how to operate. And lasers... yeah, real lasers. I've spent years learning how to operate everything I own.

I have a million dollars worth of insurance, and have a real easy to understand contract. I have my own web site with pictures and lots of information. Oh, and I'm a full time nite club DJ when not doing a wedding (if you want to call that another job, then you got me)... I know what I'm doing when I do a reception, prom or party!

If what I've said isn't convincing, then take a look at my web site www.dj-mn.com. Even my address says Disc Jockey in Minnesota.

Last time I posted here, my phone rang off the hook... from other DJ's checking me out. If you're a "bride to be", why don't you take a moment to check me out?!




Location: Breezy Point
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Did I go too far???

...with part time or hobbyist DJ's so don't chew me out for that.

I was trying to make a point with the brides and other DJ reading the ad. I know the ad will ruffle the feathers of most of the DJ's reading the ad, and wanted to do just that.

One of the DJ services had over 20 different ads on one page (which really pissed me off).

Way to go Tyrone!!!!!! They NEED to be shaken up and given a reality check!
:sqbiggrin:

Many here have other jobs, and DJing is a "hobby" to them to make extra money. The time and effort put into "serving" the customer, just isn't there for a hobbyist. Do you want a part time pilot flying your airplane on vacation? Same deal with DJ's. You really do get what you pay for.

Did I go too far???


Yes you did.

That is exactly what ticked me off about that one chapter in Peter Merry's book.

I am a part time DJ, not a hobbyist. I get paid for what I do and most hobbyists either tinker in their bedroom or do events for beer or food.

The time and effort put into "serving" the customer, just isn't there for a hobbyist.

Let's substitute part time DJ for hobbyist. After all, that's what you really mean.

So let's look at this! Are my clients full time DJ clients? Hell no. They have jobs and most work from 9 to five. That means that while I am at the primary career. they are at their job. Nine time out of ten, they aren't going to be able to call their DJ at work which means they wait till they get home. Then they call me and I take care of them.

As to other things, I put in between 20 and 30 hours on each wedding client. Depending on needs that could fluctuate. I put in less for other types because their needs aren't as great as weddings. Since most of the weddings I book are from six months to one year away from the booking date, that time gets spread out.

And, if a client needs to meet during the day, then I can take the time off.

Part time does not equate to poor service.

As to do I want a part time pilot? No Tyrone, I won't set foot in a plane you are piloting.

I used to have respect for you. That's over now.

...with part time or hobbyist DJ's so don't chew me out for that.

I was trying to make a point with the brides and other DJ reading the ad. I know the ad will ruffle the feathers of most of the DJ's reading the ad, and wanted to do just that.

One of the DJ services had over 20 different ads on one page (which really pissed me off).

Maybe you should spend less time worrying about you "competition" and more time worrying about your business. The success or failure of my competition is no concern of mine; as a matter of fact, the more that fail the better for me.

Guess you didn't read it all, or my second post. I explained the "part time" comment.

Does that mean I won't be getting a Christmas card?

"Had some fun on Craigslist" was the title... c'mon... lighten up dude!

Guess you didn't read it all, or my second post. I explained the "part time" comment.

Does that mean I won't be getting a Christmas card?

It does not matter what you said in that second post. You already said what you meant in public.

"Had some fun on Craigslist" was the title... c'mon... lighten up dude!


I can't afford to lighten up while there are still DJs out there that equate part time to hobbyist and use that in public documents. That puts entirely the wrong message in potential client's minds.

A part time DJ can satisfy a client's needs very well. As a matter of fact, in some areas of the country all or most of the DJs are part time.

I just recently interviewed with a bride that told me that she read in a book that she should only be looking for full time DJs. I took the time to debunk that. I also explained to her that many full time DJ companies were also multi-ops that had part time DJs working for them and even with a full time company she could be getting a part time DJ.

Making public statements like the one you made just makes it more difficult for the rest of us.

Sometimes even the most obvious satire is misinterpreted by self-righteous people...

So, to the rest of the mods, this topic serves no purpose and needs to be locked and deleted.

...who are wound a little too tightly.

Bryan:

Put yourself in the shoes of a potential client and then read that ad.

Do any part time DJs have a chance? Or are they all hobbyists that are going to waltz into your very formal wedding in cut offs and a t-shirt and spin hip hop all night?

So, now I have to go get prepared for my wedding later on today. I have to lay out my cut offs and that great torn t-shirt. Oh wait a minute, they said formal so I better wear the good t-shirt. Oh yeah, and the flip flops.

Hmmm, maybe I souldn't have gotten their play list together till the last minute.

Oh well, just another gig in the life of a hobbyist, urr, umm, I mean part time DJ.

Tom,

Do you need tranqulizers to sleep at night??? Good lord...

I am a "Part Time" Dj and i don't take any offence to Tyrone's ad.

It's on CRAIGSLIST.........Not a national bridal publication.
How many good paying gig's are booked from CRAIGSLIST??? i'd bet not that many.

I live alot closer to Tyrone than you do, Some of the cheapie's on Craigslist should be given a wake up call. There are alot of hack dj's on there and you know it.

Locking the thread isn't your call. No one asked your thread to be locked when you were all worked up about your Ex-partner doing a family function.

It was a spoof, aimed at the "type" of DJ service that is looking for the "brides on a budget". Like I said in the ad, that the only calls I got were from other DJ's. I really don't expect ANY brides who are looking for DJ's on CRAIGSLIST to be calling me... that was the whole point of the ad.

Most of you got the joke... sorry some of you didn't.

And, I'm not going to close this. BTW... I'm a part time DJ myself, in case you didn't know that. Tom, post #13 sounds like you're getting it now...

Funny thing is, back in the day I tried Craigslist. Never a peep. Go figure...


Tyrone, I'm not sure of your purpose here, so I don't know how to react. I mean, I know you're screwing around, but not everyone will. I just can't see the good side of placing the ad. Even if known satire, it doesn't really reflect well. All in all, probably not a positive thing to do. There are already enough people out there in a bad mood.....:sqfrown:

GEEEZZZZZ PEOPLE!!!!!!!!:sqconfused: :sqrolleyes: :sqerr: :sqeek:

Sorry if I offended anyone. That's just me. :sqrolleyes:

But, I got a kick out of it. I could just see all those DJ's on craigslist wanting to kill me (and apparently one or two here).

Sorry if I offended anyone. That's just me. :sqrolleyes:

But, I got a kick out of it. I could just see all those DJ's on craigslist wanting to kill me (and apparently one or two here).


Just wait til I get hold of you in Vegas, buddy!

Of course, before I kick your tail, I'm gonna have to let you teach me DMX first! :sqlaugh:

Tyrone, I think that ad is great and I might use it myself!

Tom, you need to chill out. You're about to run this part time thing into the ground. What does it matter? Are you getting work? Are you making money? Then what does it matter?

To quote Doug:

GEEEZZZZZ PEOPLE!!!!!!!!:sqconfused: :sqrolleyes: :sqerr: :sqeek:

Take a moment to understand how this works, and why the lowest price DJ might not be the best choice. Many here have other jobs, and DJing is a "hobby" to them to make extra money. The time and effort put into "serving" the customer, just isn't there for a hobbyist. Do you want a part time pilot flying your airplane on vacation? Same deal with DJ's. You really do get what you pay for.

Most of the DJ's here are new, young fellows who have "starter" equipment and low skill levels. They know who they are... and their price tells you who they are. Many more here, have multiple listings and different descriptions, hoping one of them will catch your attention. That may be a good marketing tactic, but it's not fair to the customer. I have only this one listing.

Might not...be the best choice. (nothing wrong with that, it's true)
Most...hobbyists don't put time in with the client. (again, probably true)
Just extra income... (it's true like it or not, most say they're in it for fun)

I see lots of room for the part time dj that delivers quality to not be offended. I am part time. Not offended in the least!

That is, if we have thick skin, and the confidence in our sales abilities to overcome objections raised by someone reading this.

Tyrone, I am laughing my arse off. That is great! :sqlaugh: :rofl:

Goodnight...

I don't know... :help: :dontknow: :tearyeyed:

You really need a bigger dose of confidence in your abilities!
and a large shot of "chill pill"! :occasion14:

Let's substitute part time DJ for hobbyist. After all, that's what you really mean.



This is where you turned it around to fit your argument. He didn't say part-time, he said "hobbyist".

Quit beating the dead horse, Tom.....

Nice Tyrone :)

We really just need to finally realize we all do things how we do them cause we are in charge of our futures. Having the diversity is what makes for more choice. I myself am happy in my skin and dont allow any in my market to interfere as my clients like me for me regardless of price my attire my ear rings my heavy weight body type. Its what I bring and if a client is looking for my personality or another one in the end they can make the choice. Some will pinch pennies in the DJ search others wont.

Greets, Ty.

If it's any help I appreciate the satire. I think it's a hoot. That's coming from a reader who knows the author, of course. I love the way the entire ad focuses on "me". And there's a lot of truth to that in this crazy biz. The truth is pretty funny sometimes.

If we can't laugh at ourselves, at whom can we laugh? :)

Just a guess on my part... I'd wager that DJs who would be most offended would be the newbies ~ the wildcatters. I was one once. Everyone knows that. Had I read that back in '93 I'd quite likely have been ticked off.

The truth would have ticked me off. But I look back at that RS stuff and laugh.

Odd thing about this biz ~ the less experienced we are, the bigger our egos seem to be. The cheaper our business equipment, the harder we try to promote it. Make it through our first wedding or dance party and we think we're experts.

Folks, I honestly don't view this thread as another PT/FT discussion. It's a satire on Craigslist DJ company postings, nothing more. :)

This is where you turned it around to fit your argument. He didn't say part-time, he said "hobbyist".

Quit beating the dead horse, Tom.....

"Do you want a part time pilot flying your airplane on vacation? Same deal with DJ's. You really do get what you pay for."

Kevin, he did say part time.. read his analogy.

Tom, you are wound a lil tight, but I can see your point.

However, and this goes to everyone: are you guys that bored that this is still a topic? Maybe you should put all this effort into the betterment of your business rather than worrying about everyone.

There's plenty of market for everyone. If there isn't, you're not doing your job right ;)

"However, and this goes to everyone: are you guys that bored that this is still a topic?


Why heck yea! When you get our age in this bizz, either we do this, yard work, sleep, or play bingo down at the lodge...:sqwink:

I see lots of room for the part time dj that delivers quality to not be offended.

That's my whole point of being offended at this. But also, Tyrone did equate hobbyist and part time. As I said, a hobbyist diddles in the bedroom and when he/she does do events they do them for little to no money.

Many part time DJs do deliver quality services. Many of them deliver better service than some so called full time DJs.

Goodnight...

I don't know... :help: :dontknow: :tearyeyed:

You really need a bigger dose of confidence in your abilities!
and a large shot of "chill pill"! :occasion14:

I do have confidence in my abilities but I also have a passion for the business and don't want to see part time DJs lumped in with the hobbyist. BTW, there is nothing wrong with hobbyists as long as they deliver quality but most do not from my experience.

"Do you want a part time pilot flying your airplane on vacation? Same deal with DJ's. You really do get what you pay for."

Kevin, he did say part time.. read his analogy.

Tom, you are wound a lil tight, but I can see your point.


Not wound tight, just passionate.

And Larry, you said you're part time, right? So, does that make you a hobbyist?

Geeez Louise!

Tom, I wanted to stay out of this, I really did. It was SATIRE.

I've tried to stay out of this one too... In a lot of ways I agree with Tom on this... I know that it was done with tongue in cheek intent... however it was done in a public way....

More people than you think look at craigslist for stuff... heck I've even posted there, just not for DJ stuff.

Look what happened when someone spoofed a listing on a supposed vacant house saying anyone could just come and take what they wanted.... guess what that house wasn't vacant the owner was on vacation. He lost everything...:sqfrown:

People on these types of sites take you seriously... and after all it is on the internet shouldn't it be real and takin as total truth? :sqwink:

I however, do not take the same offense that Tom did/does, I'm thicker skinned than that.

I am a part time DJ and some might classify that as being a hobbiest, fine I can live with that I still make the money I ask for. And I'm not the lowest in my area, heck I might even be in the above average rate catagory for my area, but I'm still part time.

I'M A DJ

I'M A DJ

Hey Jon,
Cap is going to kill you :)

Kill is but a word.

I'M A DJCould be worse. Could be IMAREALDJ. :eek:

haha or a basic one.

This was Craigslist. I didn't expect to get any response from any brides. Especially the ones who are looking for DJ's on Craigslist. I did it as an education to brides that the guys advertising there are not the ones they really want to DJ their receptions, but will probably hire one anyway, and have horror stories to tell afterwords. I wanted them to know there really are "real" DJ's out there.

The point was, if you hire the cheapest DJ on craigslist, then you're getting what you pay for... I guess the point was missed by one or two. And, I really didn't care if it pissed off a few DJ's who advertise there... they are the low ballers who I was spoofing. I really don't think anyone here fits that profile, so I thought most would get a chuckle out of it. That's all.

And, yeah, I'm not offended to be called a hobbyist or part timer (but I am a great pilot).

I think this thread was taken WAAAYYYY too seriously.

However,

I think it's a given that anytime someone mentions anything about why it's better to be a full timer or why it's better to be a part timer, someone is going to get ticked off.

I'm a full timer now according to my definition....i've been a part timer. My dedication was no different when i was pt, but i do enjoy the flexibility i have now.

I don't believe that being FT automatically makes someone a better DJ. I can understand the logic, however, that someone doing this full time should be at least decent at it, since it is supporting them....but that someone could have a rich wife or or live in a trailer for next to nothing...who knows.

I also heard Tom say he tells customers that he can charge less that a full timer because a full timer HAS TO CHARGE MORE because they need a livable wage and benefits. I don't believe that either.

I will tell potential clients about what I can offer them and why it's beneficial to go with me. I will never tell them why they shouldn't go with another company because of their full time/part time status because i simply don't believe it.

This was Craigslist. I didn't expect to get any response from any brides. Especially the ones who are looking for DJ's on Craigslist. I did it as an education to brides that the guys advertising there are not the ones they really want to DJ their receptions, but will probably hire one anyway, and have horror stories to tell afterwords. I wanted them to know there really are "real" DJ's out there.

The point was, if you hire the cheapest DJ on craigslist, then you're getting what you pay for... I guess the point was missed by one or two. And, I really didn't care if it pissed off a few DJ's who advertise there... they are the low ballers who I was spoofing. I really don't think anyone here fits that profile, so I thought most would get a chuckle out of it. That's all.

And, yeah, I'm not offended to be called a hobbyist or part timer (but I am a great pilot).

Larry:

Here's my point:

Take a moment to understand how this works, and why the lowest price DJ might not be the best choice. Many here have other jobs, and DJing is a "hobby" to them to make extra money. The time and effort put into "serving" the customer, just isn't there for a hobbyist. Do you want a part time pilot flying your airplane on vacation? Same deal with DJ's. You really do get what you pay for.


You have equated a part time DJ to a hobbyist. That is the same problem I have with Peter Merry's book. A hobbyist will perform for nothing, for beer money, or just in their own home. A hobbyist, for the most part will not give the kind of service a true DJ will.

Even on Craigs List, equating part timers to hobbyists is the wrong message to send.

Larry, you should be offended if they call you a hobbyist.

OK, if you know the difference between the eject button and the landing gear lower button, I guess I'll fly with you.

Music happens to be my hobby. I happen to be a Disc Jockey. I do other things to make money, but I'm primarily a DJ. So does that make me a hobbyist?

I also heard Tom say he tells customers that he can charge less that a full timer because a full timer HAS TO CHARGE MORE because they need a livable wage and benefits. I don't believe that either.

Yes, in the past, when I was really ticked off at Mr. Merry, I did say that. Mr. Merry is in California, I am in Maryland, he is not my competition and really means nothing to me these days.

I have been specifically asked by clients if I am full time or part time. Not that often though. Most really don't care just as long as I give them what they want.

This is what my FAQ says:


Are You Full Time Or Part Time? We have both full time and part time DJs working with us. But honestly, as long as the service can deliver your expectations, it should not matter if they are full time or part time.

We promise that we will meet your expectations and give you quality entertainment at an affordable price.


Some that have asked have asked me later on why I don't do it full time and that is where I explain that I don't have to and don't want to. I also tell them these days that even if I were able to quit the other career by hitting the MegaMillions, I'd still be a part time DJ.

Music happens to be my hobby. I happen to be a Disc Jockey. I do other things to make money, but I'm primarily a DJ. So does that make me a hobbyist?

OK, let's find out.

Do you only diddle with your gear in the bedroom?

Do you only get paid in beer for your DJ work?

Do you DJ for nothing all the time?

Do your clients only pay you with food at the events you DJ?

If you can answer yes to any or all of these questions then you are a hobbyist.

Do you only diddle with your gear in the bedroom?

No, my home audio gear is in the living room, and I store my DJ gear in the garage.

Do you only get paid in beer for your DJ work?

Not lately!

Do you DJ for nothing all the time?

I stopped volunteering years ago.

Do your clients only pay you with food at the events you DJ?

I never eat when I work. I consider it gauche (http://www.answers.com/gauche). I don't even take food home from events!

Now, do I win a prize?

Now, do I win a prize?

Yup, you are now part of the non-hobbyist club.

Do you only diddle with your gear in the bedroom?

No, my home audio gear is in the living room, and I store my DJ gear in the garage.

Ahhh, so you don't care enough about your customer/client, to store your equipment where you sleep! Hobbyist!


Do you only get paid in beer for your DJ work?

Not lately!

That's my market -- you folks stay out of it, before I call Cousin Vinnie (and yes, I do have one of 'those') :)


Do you DJ for nothing all the time?

I stopped volunteering years ago.

See above :)

Do your clients only pay you with food at the events you DJ?

I never eat when I work. I consider it gauche. I don't even take food home from events!

I take anything offered -- it's an Italian thing ;)


Now, do I win a prize?

No. Do not pass Go, do not collect $200.

You are simply a machine, that cannot be dynamic enough to get outside your own rut :)

Being a true full time/professional anything, requires you to take into account the dynamics of your client/customer; changing needs on your/their parts; and the simple fact of life, that when one needs to eat, they will do anything, including destroying an inflated ego to do so.


Frankly speaking (hope nobody minds) -- But the folks that keep harping on F/T, Hobby, Pro, et. al., are apparently all the above, otherwise they'd be busy working, and wouldn't have time to BS about it!


Just the ever-so-humble opinion of a hobby programmer :sqbiggrin: :sqwink:

I must be out of touch. I have heard of craigs list but have no idea what it is

I am a part-time DJ, I don't need the DJ work to provide a liveable wage, and I am going to use that as a marketing tool; that is, I tell potential clients that the reason why I can provide a lower price is because I am part-time and don't need the liveable wage from DJing. I also tell potential clients that we don't skimp on service and will meet their needs, many times better than the so-called full timers do.


Tom-

I know you're a good guy, so don't go ballistic on me, but please explain why the above statement is OK and Tyrone's satirical parody on Craigslist is not.

What's the difference between a full-timer and a "so-called full-timer"? What exactly is fair and what is unfair? :sqconfused:

I have never had a client who cared about anything other than a great time and excellent service, everybody here delivers that, right?

If you and I are competing on a job, is it fair for me to say that I do a better job than you because I have to, since I have to make a livable wage? Does anyone seriously think the client cares?

Does anyone really think that pointing out that a certain DJ can provide a lower price is because of being part-time and not needing a liveable wage from DJing is going to make them hire you? Would they hire you and stay with you because of that comment or in spite of it?

Rick H

I must be out of touch. I have heard of craigs list but have no idea what it is

Ya ain't missin' much Beech ;)

Tom-

I know you're a good guy, so don't go ballistic on me, but please explain why the above statement is OK and Tyrone's satirical parody on Craigslist is not.

Not planning to.

The difference is that I've never really had to do that. Most clients don't care if any DJ is part time or full time because it really doesn't impact them.

Here's what I put in my FAQ for the world to see:


Are You Full Time Or Part Time? We have both full time and part time DJs working with us. But honestly, as long as the service can deliver your expectations, it should not matter if they are full time or part time.

We promise that we will meet your expectations and give you quality entertainment at an affordable price.

What Larry wrote was out in the public and equated part time DJs to hobbyists.

What's the difference between a full-timer and a "so-called full-timer"? What exactly is fair and what is unfair? :sqconfused:

A full timer is a DJ that does nothing else but DJ. A so-called full timer (Sorry Bryan) is a DJ that says he is a full time DJ but has other lines of income. A DJ that also calls himself an author and a comedian (yeah, other DJs laugh at him) comes to mind right here.

I have never had a client who cared about anything other than a great time and excellent service, everybody here delivers that, right?

If you and I are competing on a job, is it fair for me to say that I do a better job than you because I have to, since I have to make a livable wage? Does anyone seriously think the client cares?

I only had one that really cared. I asked her why. She said I may need to call you during the day. I asked her if she was at work during the day and she said she was. I then asked her if she really could phone her DJ during the day and she said probably not. I then said, so the chances are of you calling your DJ during the day are slim to none and Slim left town. We had a good laugh and then she signed the contract.

The other fact of the matter is, even full time (and so-called full time) DJs work during the day. Suppose that full time DJ is meeting with a client and another one calls, will you take that call or call back?

Does anyone really think that pointing out that a certain DJ can provide a lower price is because of being part-time and not needing a liveable wage from DJing is going to make them hire you? Would they hire you and stay with you because of that comment or in spite of it?

Rick H

I have had clients ask me about my pricing and they pointed to a full time company. I simply said that that full timer has more overhead than I do. Most of the time that is as far as I need to go but some have asked for further explanation so I have explained it.

I don't go out of my way to explain these things but if people ask, I tell them.

I am not going to take the time to sift through all of the rubbish and useless post that are in this thread but here is my take on what I did read.....

Tyrone, I liked it and much like Kevin, I too would like to use it.


Tom, I feel the same way you do about all the crap that we have to take just because we work a day job and are considered hobbist.

Here is how I get past it.

Once I became a tax paying business, the US Government says that I am NOT a hobbist. Just ask my CPA.

I put in an average of 25-35 hours into each event. This does not include the 18 hours a day that I am available for my clients or the daily research of the DJ forums and equipment to better my business.

Do I work a day job....YES
Am I a hobbist....NO
Am I part-time....NOT EVEN CLOSE

http://www.dylanmessaging.com/messages/46VV-C3KK-C236-3L64-XCWV?commentor-name=JOHNNY&commentor-email=thevinylspinner@shaw.ca

I have cornered the market for a part-time-hobbyist-low baller and I wasn't offended. :)

Tom-

Thanks for the thoughtful answers.

Continuing, some well taken and well made points, interesting one about the author/comedian.

I, for example, dabble in the theatrical arts, taking acting seminars, but mostly as a way to improve my DJ performance as well as to expand my skills for more forays into the children's market.

For the experience, I also took on a role last winter in a theater production of the Odd Couple,. It cost me a couple of DJ jobs due to the schedule.

I've also considered writing a very brief book about weddings that would be geared more to the just starting out DJ. 80 pages or less.

So where does that put me in your FT-PT analysis. Am I a "so-called" full-timer like the analysis with Bryan or am I a regular full-timer?

If I write a book or begin a series of seminars that are geared to brides and it brings me more business because of it, am I less a full-time DJ than I was before?

So this is on your site:

Are You Full Time Or Part Time? We have both full time and part time DJs working with us. But honestly, as long as the service can deliver your expectations, it should not matter if they are full time or part time.

We promise that we will meet your expectations and give you quality entertainment at an affordable price.

Curious as to why you bring up the issue on the site?


I am a part-time DJ, I don't need the DJ work to provide a liveable wage, and I am going to use that as a marketing tool; that is, I tell potential clients that the reason why I can provide a lower price is because I am part-time and don't need the liveable wage from DJing. I also tell potential clients that we don't skimp on service and will meet their needs, many times better than the so-called full timers do.


Sorry, I still fail to see the difference between your quoted statement and Tyrone's hilarious parody, as I don't think Tyrone intended to get anyone other than low-ball DJs attention. Surely he realizes that real clients don't look on Craigslist (Beech, Rick's right...you ain't missin' nothin'). Agree to disagree on that one.

Thank you, sir!

Rick

I have cornered the market for a part-time-hobbyist-low baller and I wasn't offended. :)

you forgot bottom feeder:sqwink:

Hi everyone,

I’d like to start by saying I’m Hispanic… OK, now that that’s out of the way, I would like to mention that Craig list is a good tool, when and if you know how to use it. I’ve gotten gigs out of it and if I may comment, not by using satire comments, but by being honest.

The moment you, us, them or I start to put other dj’s down, the author of the message becomes ONE more of the thousands who advertise there, do you know why?

Very simple, because almost each and every single one of them feel the need to put other dj’s down, in order to come up. Like the Napoleon Complex.

“In the fields of psychology and psychoanalysis, Napoleon complex is a colloquial term used to describe a type of inferiority complex suffered by people who are short. Alfred Adler pioneered the psychological work on inferiority complexes, and used Napoléon Bonaparte as an example of someone who he thought was driven to extremes by a psychological need to compensate for what he saw as a handicap: his small stature.”

Now I understand Tyrone did it in a form of satire writing, maybe he did get business out of his post, was that his ulterior motive? We don’t know. Did he book any gigs? Maybe. Only he can tell us.

The other side of the coin is that we should not get upset about what other yahoo wants to write, that is something I’ve learned after being a moderator of another forum for five years. It took me a while to learn, but after a while one has to develop a rough skin, and let things just roll over.

A wise man once said: “We can’t prevent birds from flying over our heads, but we can stop them from nesting on it (our head)”

Tom, my humble advice to you is, to let people say what they want, because even though I don’t know Tyrone in person, I know he is a good guy, and I don’t think his intentions were to piss anybody off in this forum.

I was a part-timer for over 22 years, up until this year, 2007 when I was terminated; I am a ‘full time”. Don’t laugh but I am not doing anything different, than last year. I just realized last year I had two full time jobs, that’s all!

So in my humble opinion, Tom and Tyrone, just shake them and forget about it. United we will accomplish much more, than when we start to harbor bad feelings. Again, without knowing you, hopefully in Vegas, maybe the two of you kick my ass over there for being such a big mouth, but you know what… At the end of the day, I hope to share some Margaritas on me.

I would like to propose something to the two of you, which would help ALL OF US, including me, because am a crappy writer. Let’s come up with an honest AD for Craig list based on our honest experience as DJ, and at the bottom we can write: PROUD MEMBERS OF OURDJTALK.

And just to close, please remember that any Dick and Harry can post on Craig list; smart shoppers have to filter all the BS people put there.

Great readin’ ya’ll.

Rig:sqcool:

And, thank you to everyone. I didn't expect to turn this into a PT/FT argument... but it did. I'd like to stop that arguement now by saying that I agree with everyone about the merits of part time. I'm part time, and don't have any problems with it.

My "incentive" was to poke fun at the "type" of bride looking at Craigslist for an entertainer for the most memorable moment in her life. By starting my listing with "most expensive" I was putting myself out of competition with everyone else. Therein lies the parody.

I haven't and don't expect to ever receive a call from a prospective bride. In fact, I'm contemplating a reverse ad claiming to be the cheapest DJ and see what happens... but I won't post it here...LOL.

My guess is that any bride to be who's looking for a DJ on Craigslist, is not the sort of customer I want to work for anyhow. I was just killing time and having some fun... sorry if I offended anyone. I was just playing.

My Craigslist ad:

Your Event... Your Way... The ONLY Way!

Good Knight Entertainment offers you a quality DJ service at a reasonable price. We are not the most expensive and we are not the least expensive but we promise you that we will go the extra mile to meet or surpass your expectations.

Our service always includes:
- Our 110% money back guarantee.
- Professional DJ sound system.
- A selection of over 45,000 song titles ranging from the 40's to current in all the popular genres.
- A professional DJ/MC.
- An assistant for that DJ to make his/her job of coordinating your event easier.
- A wireless microphone for toasts, blessings, and such.
- Our on-line planning system to help you plan your event.
- Our on-line guest request system to allow your guests to pre-request their music.
- Unlimited consultations at the location you choose.
- A site visit to the venue.
- A finalization meeting thirty days prior to your event to ensure that we have all of the details of your event captured correctly.
- And, our day-of coordination of your event.

We have several packages that range from the basics to others that include music video, video ambiance, and much more.

Before we make a quote on our services, we would like to set up an interview with you at your location to discuss all of our packages. The purpose of the interview is for you to learn a little more about us through our presentation and from some videos we have of our performance and for us to learn about you and learn what your expectations are.

Your expectations are very important to us. We will never take on an event where we feel we cannot meet the expectations of our prospective client.

To set up an appointment, please call us at 410-569-9883.

Tyrone Im with you my friend. However It occured to me thinking back on this thread that on many occasions if I were fulltime and busy the most likely minimal schedule per weekof four gigs to remain a considered fulltimer (even if I didnt even have a paper route on the side) that I would most likely not have the time I have doing one to three gigs per week currently with a fulltime job. I work forty hours a week plus in my day job and I would be willing to say with an avg of four hours per night sleep that I spend nearly the same amount per week on my one to three gigs per week.
My big concern is for those who feel inferior with others making comments when its concerning your comfort zone and work level. As I have said many a time. Im comfortable in my skin even the stretched areas.

Very nice ad... but I'm afraid that brides are not going to call you without a price listed (I may be wrong, but I don't think so). Your ad sounds TOO professional and expensive.

BTW: I deleted my first ad and put in another... I'm still laughing. :sqlaugh:

Tyrone you suck. Either share or dont bait the CAT!!

You folks have WAY too much time on your hands to allow SATIRE to get the best of you.......Geez.......

You folks have WAY too much time on your hands to allow SATIRE to get the best of you.......Geez.......

But but HE started it!

you forgot bottom feeder:sqwink:

Haven't got that market yet, but I'm working on it! :sqwink: :sqlaugh:

it's good to find out that i am NOT a full timer...i thought i was. I guess i'm called a so-called full timer because I have other income.

I may not even be considered a real so-called full timer because i am a multi-op.

so my new official title is....semi-so-called mostly full timer.

Haven't got that market yet, but I'm working on it! :sqwink: :sqlaugh:

heck,
on top of hobbyist, part timer, bottom feeder, cheap skate... we should consider forming an association like the big uns out there.... to represent that sector of the market. LOL!!

Now on a more, realistic note....

A brief history of how I got to this board: I was invited to this board, as an alternative to the arrogance and the “Be-Es” that was going on at that time on another phorum.

Often times we forget that on the other side of a monitor, there are living beings with hopes, dreams and desires, fully capable of thinking and feeling, and wishing for a better world for themselves and their families. Sure everyone would like to afford the best gear, the best vehicles, and ultimately the best gigs; after all, if there is something we all have in common is the passion for the trade we very much love: Dee Jay.


Make no mistake brethren, but there will always be some one better than ourselves out there. My father, bless his soul, used to tell me: “Son, be careful out there in the world, lest one day you find another poppa” (meaning someone who would be capable of kicking my ash). By the same token there will be always some one less fortunate than ourselves also, with less talent, experience, charisma, opportunities, with less gear and who made us judges, or better yet, who appointed us to decide how to make use of their own time and resources? The big wigs? Those that -on the outside- are or believe they are untouchable, but when challenged with hardcore facts they opt to attack the person, instead of the ideas? Why? Because they lack arguments, so their defense mechanism finds no other alternative than to resort to the insults.


I have to say Tom, has presented what is to him the most valuable form of service he has to offer. And we can criticize his set of values, but at the end of the day, those will still be his values, and the way he is able to succeed in his market. Only Tom knows why that set of standards work for him, and Mr. Merry himself will never be able to touch that. Also, no one can’t take that away from him, and the fact that we may like it or agree/disagree with it, will not change the outcome of his way of doing business.

I offer a similar service and I add to my experience the fact that I am 100% Bilingual, in addition I understand a little bit of Portuguese and Italian, so I bring to that to the table, and if there are any disc jockeys in my market who can match that pound per pound, and charge less than I do, so be it. There are plenty of gigs to go around.

In addition to that, I would not say, the type of people who read, or buy from Craig list are undesirable clients. I buy from there; in fact I’ve found good deals for my friends and relatives buying vehicles that are advertised there. God forbid one of my clients from there, reads my post when I insult their intelligence or buying power.

My final thought: why do we need to denigrate others? Whether they are potential clients or fellow disc jockeys? Why do we have to go as far, as to elaborate a set up, that may include some one, life time savings or some one’s source of income? What have we have gained by doing so? Let’s be honest, and let’s be careful, lest we find our poppa out there.

heck,
on top of hobbyist, part timer, bottom feeder, cheap skate... we should consider forming an association like the big uns out there.... to represent that sector of the market. LOL!!

I prefer to conquer this area myself. :sqlaugh:

My (proposed)craigslists add:

I DJ therefore I am! So everyone else BITE ME!

Since I can only afford to advertise here on craigslist & you can only afford to look for a DJ here, I will have to take cash only and preferrably denominations less than $20.00.
If you call today, I will throw in the dual-cassette package for just $5.00 more...:sqcool:

I prefer to conquer this area myself. :sqlaugh:

cheater!:sqlaugh:

My (proposed)craigslists add:


If you call today, I will throw in the dual-cassette package for just $5.00 more...:sqcool:


Now, I'm offended -- you can't possibly give that much away! :sqbiggrin::sqrolleyes:

Now, I'm offended -- you can't possibly give that much away! :sqbiggrin::sqrolleyes:


cassette? is that better than eight-track? because if it is, i def. want to buy/upgrade to that, to match my bose speakers... OoopPS!:sqlaugh::sqwink:

it's good to find out that i am NOT a full timer...i thought i was. I guess i'm called a so-called full timer because I have other income.

I may not even be considered a real so-called full timer because i am a multi-op.

so my new official title is....semi-so-called mostly full timer.


Mr full time, this is Mr. Partime who sometimes does the full time thing but more than often can only afford to do the two full times. Some one’s part time is another man’s full time, but only when the time is full. My time isn’t full yet, but I am hoping to fill it up by the end of the year, so the part timers out there don’t tell me I am another part time looking for full time and indeed they call me full time too. This time i just wanted to say, you're fully correct. (regards scottie...) LOL!

If you call today, I will throw in the dual-cassette package for just $5.00 more...:sqcool:
You're a LOSER! I throw in a dual 8-track player, so THERE!! :sqlaugh:

If they throw in a couple hundred more, I'll use my Realistic system...

Why would anyone want to use an 8-Track player? I mean really, get a grip... this is going way outta line here fellows,,, what started as a spoof has now gone all the way down to talking about bringing 8 tracks and RS gear?

It doesn't matter if you are a part time, full time, hobbiest, professional or whatever, why would anyone want to have an 8-track package?

Are you all that slow as to think that is even funny? Are you so bored with trying to build your business up, that all you can think of is stupid, inane and childess posts about 8-tracks?

We have tried to come so far as a profession, educate the public, help out our fellow DJ. We even have allowed girls to become DJs. I mean really think about what you write before you show your ignorance......

I mean really, why would anyone want an 8-Track package when the epitomy of a DJ up-grade package is using a Sony Reel to Reel player, I mean really......

Maybe if I raise my rates, I could get one of them there 'reel to reel' things you mention.

I figured you for a ukulele player Chuck :sqlaugh:

BTW: My 8-track player is quadraphonic, so there!!!

Yeah, but is it Discrete or SQ?

Mine has 8 separate tracks, so it's Octophonic!

Speaking of which, here's a blast from the past for ya:

http://boogietime.com/images/DSCF0497(Small).JPG

I hope you are not reffering to me , because if you are, you didn't read my post... ;)

I mean really, why would anyone want an 8-Track package when the epitomy of a DJ up-grade package is using a Sony Reel to Reel player, I mean really......
Not Sony, silly boy, Revox!!

okay,,, that cover is kinda hot,,,,,ummmm... I remember that one.... :)

Is this the thread with the see through dress?

http://www.dylanmessaging.com/messages/46VV-C3KK-C236-3L64-XCWV?commentor-name=JOHNNY&commentor-email=thevinylspinner@shaw.ca

http://www.dylanmessaging.com/messages/DDZB-79JY-7JP5-CD33-M412?commentor-name=Johnny&commentor-email=thevinylspinner@shaw.ca

http://www.dylanmessaging.com/messages/DDZB-79JY-7JP5-CD33-M412?commentor-name=Johnny&commentor-email=thevinylspinner@shaw.ca

http://www.dylanmessaging.com/messages/K7TN-0F06-9WB2-UH44-S6SF?commentor-name=Johnny&commentor-email=thevinylspinner@shaw.ca

Yeah, but is it Discrete or SQ?

Mine has 8 separate tracks, so it's Octophonic!

Speaking of which, here's a blast from the past for ya:

http://boogietime.com/images/DSCF0497(Small).JPG


Music. Click. More music. :sqlaugh:

Heres Johnny!!

http://www.saturn-sound.com/images/hi-fi%20news%20close-up%20of%20cover%20picture.jpg
You guys got me:sqwink:

hahaha check this out.... i made it so don't flame me... hehehehe

http://www.dylanmessaging.com/messages/WCW1-3IYD-TF3D-2Y7N-77IT?commentor-name=Rob&commentor-email=totalimpactdj%40yahoo.com

Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!!!:sqlaugh:

OK, my attempt:

http://www.dylanmessaging.com/messages/5W9Y-Q01I-1LC1-C07J-WH53?commentor-name=Tommy%20O&commentor-email=goodknightdj@comcast.net

I thinks its fun to make satire about DJ's, but I wouldn't sign my name to it or my website.

http://www.dylanmessaging.com/messages/C4AW-I1LO-5MCE-S83Z-I0P0

:sqrolleyes::sqbiggrin:

I thinks its fun to make satire about DJ's, but I wouldn't sign my name to it or my website.

nor would "ronnie"