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I'm new, what should I get???

Tyrone Blue
11-08-2007, 02:29 PM
I keep running into this question on all of the boards, so I thought I'd make a sticky to help out the new guys/gals.

First of all, the question should be asked: "What is your budget?" Assuming you're a new DJ with a limited budget, you need to keep in mind where the industry is going.

I think that you're going to see more and more LED fixtures in the coming years. The benefit of LEDs is that they are very bright and run low power and almost no heat. You can get a LOT more fixtures on one circuit.

With that thought in mind, I'd suggest getting as many LED fixtures as your budget will allow. Here's some of the newest stuff and why I like or dislike them:

LED par cans... 16 million colors from one fixture and they can run all night without any cycling. I prefer the 4 channel fixtures over the 7 channel fixtures for ease of operation (programming) and room on a controller for more available channels. You can get 48 four channel fixtures on one controller. This is my number one pick for every DJ on the planet. The down side: you must learn how to program DMX first (not that hard to do).

Color Palettes... these flat screen style of DMX fixtures are in a league of their own. I currently have 12 of them, and I'll always use them in every event. The current fixtures have 27 channels for full RGB color mixing of 8 segments on each fixture. I suggest running them in 6 channel mode for the beginner for ease of operation. As you progress in programming, you can up the channels on your fixture. These are VERY cool effects, but again, you must know DMX programming.

The new DMX Color Strips are very cool and are Brand New... Both ADJ and Chauvet have versions of this light. The performance is slightly different on each, but both have advantages over the other. This is a "high priority" item if you are only looking for one effect at a best bang for the buck fixture.

LED moonflowers... The Revo and Vue series lights are very nice. I'd personally stay away from the I's and II"s. Each manufacturer has the same "guts' in their fixtures, except ADJ has white LED's on the Revo III. While in use, you won't notice much difference, however. These can be run in DMX mode, but have the sound active mode as well (which I prefer).

LED scanners, moving heads and rollers... Currently, the light output on these fixtures is too low for my taste. I think you'll see wattage output of LEDs go up in the future, but right now, they aren't bright enough. I tested some LED scanners and wasn't that happy with them, and don't recommend them.

Standard par cans... These have been the mainstay of the industry since day one. I have over 50 cans and still use them at events. The only problem with them is the high wattage and heat with only one color. You are now able to control them with DMX dimmer pacs (You NEED to know programming first).

S&P's (spin and pukes)... Vertigo's and Avengers are the very first lights I ever had and still recommend them to new DJ's if you have less than $100 to spend. Many of the vendors can sell you a NEW fixture for under $50 so that puts two fixtures into everyone's budget for a very nice light output on any dance floor. Lots of light and coverage, with lots of movement.

Strobes... I consider this a MUST have for the dance floor. I have never done an event without strobes. Don't overuse a strobe or it will kill the effectiveness of the fixture. I have many DMX strobes, but I prefer my analog strobes used with a "Co-pilot".

Light controllers... The co-pilot is probably the fist thing you should buy as a new DJ. I still keep my eye on e-bay for used co-pilots. The original ones can be purchased for $40 or so, and if you know what you're doing, you can convert it to wireless. I still use lots of co-pilots.

Analog dimmer pacs... these control par cans. A full control system can run in the $500 range. I have three or four NSI controllers and they are build like tanks and run forever. They are EASY to operate and are recommended if you are not planning on going with DMX equipment.

DMX dimmer pacs... You MUST know how to program first in order to use these. You CAN control analog fixtures (If you know what you're doing) and they expand your abilities greatly.

Scanners and moving heads... If you're not using these, you're WAY behind the movement in the industry. Most of the higher end performers consider these to be "MUST HAVE" fixtures. You can get nice used fixtures in the $100 range on e-bay. Again, you MUST know DMX programming to used these effectively, but some fixtures will run in sound active if you don't know how to program.

So, considering everything above, I'd say that a starter system can be had for $500 if you shop smart. One co-pilot, two vertigo's, two par cans and a strobe. One or two moon flowers and a crank up "T" bar. This should be the bare minimum if you are considering lights.

Chuck The DJ
11-08-2007, 03:24 PM
I will second the use of Vertigos, for a "starter" package... They have great coverage, better than any LED light I have seen, and ate inexpencive, and that with the one light I think every DJ should own, A Disco ball, will do most all weddings and parties for a started set...

thatmusicguy
11-08-2007, 03:57 PM
I'd say no to the vertigo's....For a couple of dollars more...The Chauvet Kinta...No duty cycle, bright...big room light...DMX-able...well built...a great light....

You could literally do a dance with that and a starball or two.....

stewsdjrescue
11-08-2007, 05:12 PM
great guide! I would also say try and get used stuff for starting out- they are usually in great condition with a great price!

DJ Dan
11-08-2007, 05:27 PM
Thank you Tyrone.. Everything I needed to know about lights, so I can at least pretend what I'm talking about with you guys! :)

You da man!

dj_AS
12-08-2007, 12:30 AM
Tyrone, I'm new to the mobile business and this is the best guide i've seen for lights... Thank you sir!

Tyrone Blue
12-08-2007, 01:21 AM
Several members here, are putting together a DJ book on how, why, when, where and whatever. As soon as everyone gets moving, we'll publish it on the site for our members. Cost hasn't been determined just yet, but it will contain EVERYTHING you need to know to be a successful DJ.

stewsdjrescue
12-09-2007, 06:19 PM
that sounds great!

silver fox
12-16-2007, 11:51 AM
I'd say no to the vertigo's....For a couple of dollars more...The Chauvet Kinta...No duty cycle, bright...big room light...DMX-able...well built...a great light....

You could literally do a dance with that and a starball or two.....

In advance let me say to Steve, Tyrone and others a Big Thanks for the guidance you give in these threads without you guys I would be lost in a forest of lighting choices.

I have (4) Weidamarks (2) VUE I a REVO III a couple of Color Panal 4000/s RGB by Chauvet and 2 x Chauvet Color Splash Juniors in my LED arsenal.

and a KINTA & Martin TREX that I love in my analog kit with of course a Mirrorball pin spot combo and small par can items.

I have the feeling reading from the posts that some sort of moving head set would be the items I should be looking for to round out my tool kit for partys & Weddings that I do primaryily.

I was looking to the newer Chauvet MiN SpotTM as one possible solution but a little pricey for a pair given the recent introduction.

So I thought throw the question to the experts and see what they would suggest.

I might add I have a hardware DMX contrllor (Elation) & recently purchased the ENTTEC LIGHTFACTORY PRO STARTER kit with the intention to at least get some of the fixtures into a controlable state on my laptop.

Much thanks to all in advance here to get me to the next step.. I am a single OP but my assistant (wife) could be a bit busier working the lights :sqlaugh:

Tyrone Blue
12-16-2007, 01:18 PM
... for the MOMENT, wait on the minSpots. While LED technology has advanced leaps and bounds, there hasn't been any review just yet on any LED moving head (I'm going to do one in the next few weeks up at NorthernLightFX) on the moving head LED fixtures.

I own some Accu Spots that are amazing for the price, and know that there are some others that are much smaller and lighter that use standard bulbs. I'm also waiting to see the Intimidator Spot series moving heads too. I like the looks of them, but haven't seen one up close yet.

After I test out the minSpot and wash, I'll be better equipped to advise you on them. The preliminary info on them shows promise for the wedding DJ, but I'm not too sure about their brightness in large venues.

Stand by!

DJDancer
12-29-2007, 10:14 PM
I'd say no to the vertigo's....For a couple of dollars more...The Chauvet Kinta...No duty cycle, bright...big room light...DMX-able...well built...a great light....

You could literally do a dance with that and a starball or two.....

OK...I've heard good things about it, so I just ordered the Chauvet Kinta...I need suggestions as to what type of controller I'm going to need and how much $$??? Of course, I probably shoulda thought of that first...:sqembarrassed: :sqlaugh:

Kirby Ball
12-29-2007, 10:20 PM
http://www.google.com/products?q=chauvet+%2B+kinta&sourceid=ie7&rls=com.microsoft:en-US&ie=UTF-8&oe=utf8&um=1


http://www.chauvetlighting.com/fixtures/kinta_fix.shtml

Kirby Ball
12-29-2007, 10:52 PM
Personally, I'm not familiar with the Kinta...but those links should get you started on your quest.

silver fox
02-21-2008, 08:28 PM
... for the MOMENT, wait on the minSpots. While LED technology has advanced leaps and bounds, there hasn't been any review just yet on any LED moving head (I'm going to do one in the next few weeks up at NorthernLightFX) on the moving head LED fixtures.

I own some Accu Spots that are amazing for the price, and know that there are some others that are much smaller and lighter that use standard bulbs. I'm also waiting to see the Intimidator Spot series moving heads too. I like the looks of them, but haven't seen one up close yet.

After I test out the minSpot and wash, I'll be better equipped to advise you on them. The preliminary info on them shows promise for the wedding DJ, but I'm not too sure about their brightness in large venues.

Stand by!

Tyrone so what is the final verdict / report card ??

Papa Deuce
02-21-2008, 08:43 PM
My opinion, LED minSpots were not bright enough from what I saw at the show.

jkcomputers
02-21-2008, 08:51 PM
Got the Vertigo... Thinking of the Kinta next... Thanks for the list... still looking for low priced led par cans

The Wizard Of OZ
02-22-2008, 12:26 AM
Is there such a thing as low riced LED par cans? cuz if there is I'd like to hear about it.

I'm about to get my first set of lights in the NEAR future and would rather get LED because of the reduced heat mostly. It's already hot here in FL 9 months out of the year. It was 83 today, February 21st.

Jon Tuck
02-22-2008, 03:05 AM
I second the motion Papa. Its fine in a dark setting but alot of my venues have picturesque windows floor to ceiling to view Beautiful British Columbia. These would barely be seen until the last hour or so at my typical events.

GrayWolfOlka
07-03-2008, 11:21 AM
Several members here, are putting together a DJ book on how, why, when, where and whatever.
Thanks for the thread. 7 months into the year, any progress on said aforementioned book?

Steve Lynch
07-03-2008, 04:24 PM
I've had the opportunity to use several different LED fixtures... the min spots are absolutely worthless.... They're not even bright enough to use in your living room... Complete waste of money...... I have used some great 3 watt 36 LED washes, and some LED panels by color kinetics, chauvet colorado, and some excellent chinese ones..

I have sourced some of the nicest LED lighting out there, and it does not come from any of the big guys... There is a phenomenal chinese company out there who make some of the most impressive fixtures I've ever seen.

Things I've seen that are cool are the High End Show Gun, but the LED's on the light do nothing at all.. the light is so bright that the LED output equals nothing really.. the LED's are more a gimmick than anything else.

The colorado series from chauvet is impressive, but so expensive it's not even funny.. My chinese company makes the same fixtures for 1/4 the price..

a Chauvet color palette puts out about 1400 lumens... the colorado panel puts out 14,000 lumens.. granted, they're $2000 each, but they're very nice.

Elation's Opti series are also cool, a little more expensive, but worth it...

If you're going to invest in LED lighting, don't go with anything with less than 1 watt LED's... Led lighting has as predicted, become the spin and puke of the 2000's. Every two bit DJ has them... If you're going to do the LED thing, Get nice ones...

When I first got my weidamarks 5 years ago they were the bomb... no one had LED lights..... I sold them all now though, because everyone and their mother has them.. I went with panels, but now even they are becoming common place... I'm going with all high end 1 + 3 watt LED's now....

My next purchase is some 20,000 lumen LED moving head washes...

there's some neat stuff on the horizon, and I'm working to make it available here in the states at a great price.