To return or not? Some wisdom?
- Thread starter JoeChartreuse
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Sounds like you would like to go back.....There is no sure fired cure for this situation. I have always found that my "gut" instincts are usually right. As an owner of an establishment they have the right to make changes whenever they want to.....that will never change, irrespective of any agreements with you. That goes along with ownership of anything.....total control........Especially with no contract....
I find it funny that bar owners always "know" exactly what the customer likes, dislikes, etc.
On a funny ironic note, "captain coke" gave me a call and told me about how he's looking into building a resturaunt/night club and asked me if I would like to work there...LOL!
On a funny ironic note, "captain coke" gave me a call and told me about how he's looking into building a resturaunt/night club and asked me if I would like to work there...LOL!
Joe,
How are they messing with your rotation? Are they recieving a financial incentive when they mess with it? Do you take bribes? Is their bribe taking interferring with yours?
I had this situation early on at my club. Very frugal elderly Japanese owners. They would take tips/bribes and not inform me. At the time I was sort of against a bribe system, but I figured hey "It's their bar, i'll agree to it, and play it to my advantage"
So it's all out in the open. We have a set system for bribes and signage explaning it. $1 per person you cut in front of.
There's never a situation where someone has enough $$$ to bribe themselves out of every round. Let's say there's a 20 man rotation, Mr Bribe is cued into round 3,4,5,6. He wants to sing 4 times in a row..
Well, it's a 20 man rotation and we're on singer 10.
First bribe out of round costs him $11
Now remember I said 20 man rotation?
Second round bribe out into current round-- $20
Third round bribe out into current round --$40
Fourth round bribe out into current round --$60
So altogether for this person to screw with rotation to sing 4 times in a row, it costed him $131.
Sometimes we hook a dumb fish like that, most often folks learn after the first time bribing and never do it again. At least the bribes don't happen behind my back with me getting nothing out of it. My boss understands the price and just shares the $$$ with me.
Our regulars are pretty understanding when we have situations like that too. We have had times where folks with deep pockets maybe got a round or two bribed, but they learn pretty fast that it's gonna costs them.
How are they messing with your rotation? Are they recieving a financial incentive when they mess with it? Do you take bribes? Is their bribe taking interferring with yours?
I had this situation early on at my club. Very frugal elderly Japanese owners. They would take tips/bribes and not inform me. At the time I was sort of against a bribe system, but I figured hey "It's their bar, i'll agree to it, and play it to my advantage"
So it's all out in the open. We have a set system for bribes and signage explaning it. $1 per person you cut in front of.
There's never a situation where someone has enough $$$ to bribe themselves out of every round. Let's say there's a 20 man rotation, Mr Bribe is cued into round 3,4,5,6. He wants to sing 4 times in a row..
Well, it's a 20 man rotation and we're on singer 10.
First bribe out of round costs him $11
Now remember I said 20 man rotation?
Second round bribe out into current round-- $20
Third round bribe out into current round --$40
Fourth round bribe out into current round --$60
So altogether for this person to screw with rotation to sing 4 times in a row, it costed him $131.
Sometimes we hook a dumb fish like that, most often folks learn after the first time bribing and never do it again. At least the bribes don't happen behind my back with me getting nothing out of it. My boss understands the price and just shares the $$$ with me.
Our regulars are pretty understanding when we have situations like that too. We have had times where folks with deep pockets maybe got a round or two bribed, but they learn pretty fast that it's gonna costs them.
Toqer,
I understand the Japanese system well. My Sensei used to take me to all Japanese karaoke bars. Works there, but I NEVER mess with the rotation, and my patrons know it. The owner USED TO try to get me to skip a mediocre singer, or put her friends up quickly or more often, to which I replied NO. My patrons come to my other venues as well, and I need to keep them happy, as I'm running a business too. This time around she's leaving the show to me.... Apparently the interim guy completely killed the night through inconsistancy,( Sometimes show up, sometimes not, sometimes send a kid to sub with no experience). The guy was a DJ ( and a good one) that was adding karaoke for the first time without learning what it was first, plus no work ethic.
I understand the Japanese system well. My Sensei used to take me to all Japanese karaoke bars. Works there, but I NEVER mess with the rotation, and my patrons know it. The owner USED TO try to get me to skip a mediocre singer, or put her friends up quickly or more often, to which I replied NO. My patrons come to my other venues as well, and I need to keep them happy, as I'm running a business too. This time around she's leaving the show to me.... Apparently the interim guy completely killed the night through inconsistancy,( Sometimes show up, sometimes not, sometimes send a kid to sub with no experience). The guy was a DJ ( and a good one) that was adding karaoke for the first time without learning what it was first, plus no work ethic.
I love my employers, who have kept me gainfully employed 3 nights a week since 2001.
Prolly spelling it wrong, but COMPAI to em
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Prolly spelling it wrong, but COMPAI to em
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