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Thank you that puts a whole new perspective on things and I agree to admit that the Dynacord LX amps are in the same class as the QSC PLs and Crown Macro amps!:sqconfused:

Since have I never put Peavey amps in that class I will now go eat my crow!

I was wrong for once in my life!:sqembarrassed::sqerr::sqbiggrin:

It takes a big man, Steve. ;) That being said, you're way ahead of me. I'm quite a bit younger, and I've been wrong TWICE in my life. LOL.

Nonetheless, I would still like to see if you can get Peavey to send an amp to run through the gauntlet. We'll send it back (dead or alive) when we are done. I have set a lot of amps on fire with my torture chamber. I'd like to see if this one will make the grade. I am pretty disappointed that they are making all their amps in China now though.

Ben
 
Funny you say that because that is not the information I got!

While I don't have the 4080HZ I do have 2 of the CS4000 amps

All of my CS amps say "MADE IN U.S.A." on the id tag, the PV 2000s both say "Made in the U.S.A." all the GPS amps say "Made in U.S.A.", the DPCs say the same. Granted none of them have been purchased in the last couple of years (in fact some are more than 15 years old) and POM may have changed if it has that will be a serious blow to Peavey!

As far as sending an amp to you to torture send me one of yours and I will send it back to you dead or alive! And I promise I won't do anything to it that I haven't already done to my Peavey amps!:sqbiggrin:
 
Right there in plain sight, see attached image.

As for the torture, that sounds like a deal to me. Which model do you want?

Please document the tests in AP or SMAART and post the readouts. We've already done just about everything that can be done to these amps (including running an angle grinder off of one, did that in front of 1500 DJs at Mobile Beat) and I feel pretty confident about how it will perform.

I'd like to suggest a few tests for you to run on your Peavey's too. Please videotape the tests and post on YouTube so others here can view them. I have had a lot of requests from members to see this. Because I carry no less than 10 brands of power amplifiers (including all but 2 in Canute's list) I am all about truth and transparency. As a dealer, I know that some might suspect my motives, but I will lie for no company.

Ben
 

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I would like to quote the Front of House Magazine Review by Mark Amundson in the February 2008 edition:

"It is not often that Dynacord comes out with a new high-end audio power amplifier, but when it happens, it is usually a real technological marvel. The PowerH 2500 and 5000 power amplifiers are designed by the same German engineering team that produced the legendary L 2400 (P3000) concert sound amplifier. For over 60 years, amplifiers from that location have proven to be the finest and most reliable components one could possibly find."

Most other Pro Audio companies, including Peavey, haven't even been in business for 60 years. I just thought I should post this since some have asked when Dynacord starting making amps. LOL.

Ben
 
All I can say is WOW! I read all this and realize how technologically uneducated I am! :sqwink: I am not someone who can jump in here and give all the specs of why something I like is better, it is just my real world experience as a part-time DJ. All of you probably have many more years experience under your proverbial belts than I do! :sqbiggrin:

With that being said, when I decided to get back into the DJ world, I purchased a Peavey PV2600 amp, two JBL JRX125 speakers, and the powered 18" sub in the JBL JRX line (can't remember the number).

Anyhow, did one gig with that setup and realized that not only was that amp VERY heavy, it was a power HOG!! The venue that I used it in was older so the wiring probably wasn't as "kosher" as it should be! I kept blowing the breaker on the circuit I was plugged in to. There was nothing else on that said circuit and it was a 15amp breaker. Now I will admit with the age of the building the breaker could have been weak!

Well I knew that I wanted my entire system to be able to run on one 15amp circuit- old or not. So after one gig, that system went down the road and I went to the Dynacord DC3012 system I run today. So with that purchase I gained a much happier back, and also a less power hungry system that can be ran on a single 15amp circuit without breaking a sweat! Not to mention sound quality that is TOP NOTCH!!

I am not belittling any other brand or system out there, don't get me wrong! Everyone has their likes and dislikes, it is just that now in my world if it isn't Dynacord/EV it ain't S**T! GO TEAM DYNA!!! :sqwink:

(and all that being said I must give Ben at NLFX props for helping my aching back and ears, and turning me on to Dynacord! Thank you sir!!!) :sqlaugh:
 
Right there in plain sight, see attached image.

As for the torture, that sounds like a deal to me. Which model do you want?

Please document the tests in AP or SMAART and post the readouts. We've already done just about everything that can be done to these amps (including running an angle grinder off of one, did that in front of 1500 DJs at Mobile Beat) and I feel pretty confident about how it will perform.

I'd like to suggest a few tests for you to run on your Peavey's too. Please videotape the tests and post on YouTube so others here can view them. I have had a lot of requests from members to see this. Because I carry no less than 10 brands of power amplifiers (including all but 2 in Canute's list) I am all about truth and transparency. As a dealer, I know that some might suspect my motives, but I will lie for no company.

Ben
Have you used one to thaw water pipes yet?

Yes the old CS800A did that once and then continued to be used as a DJ amp!

Electric drills, Angle grinders, fans, etc. all will run to some extent from any source that will produce at least 60 volts AC Most bridged amps will produce a minimum of 70 volts AC at the output, that is all smoke and mirror stuff. Using a small enough gauge wire any bridged amp will weld!
Do you know what the Crown amps were origonally produced for?

As for doing results in SMART for testing applications and U-Tube videos I have trouble getting a picture on this site! I wouldn't even know where to begin with SMART! I pulled an amp box (CS amps) that I had here in the studio and as soon as I can get them off the camera and convert them I will post the photos here, but it will only go to prove what i have already said "Made In The U.S.A."
 
Smoke and mirrors? Really Steve? The smoke I've seen has come out of the other amplifiers. LOL.

As for SMAART (SIC), why not send US the amp then so we can post scientifically valid, fully documentable, irrefutable facts that cannot be described as "smoke and mirrors". Again, with us offering multiple brands I cannot afford to post anything but absolutely truthful resuts or the other mfgs will cry foul. I have nothing to gain by lying and everything to lose.

Frankly Steve, I don't care what your box says. Yes, they USED to be made in the US. Unfortunately that is not the case now. You can't put Sugar Ray in the ring with Mike Tyson. We have to go with what a person can buy NOW. Why even go down that road.

The fact is, and will remain that Peavey amps (in your own words) are inferior to the Dynacord amps. You act as though I've never seen or used one. However, the truth is that YOU have never used a Dynacord and I have experience with both. So, I am back to the challenge. I will gladly send you one, provivded you can accurately and adequately document the results. That is all I'm asking for so that others may see them as pure fact, and not opinion.

Ben

Have you used one to thaw water pipes yet?

Yes the old CS800A did that once and then continued to be used as a DJ amp!

Electric drills, Angle grinders, fans, etc. all will run to some extent from any source that will produce at least 60 volts AC Most bridged amps will produce a minimum of 70 volts AC at the output, that is all smoke and mirror stuff. Using a small enough gauge wire any bridged amp will weld!
Do you know what the Crown amps were origonally produced for?

As for doing results in SMART for testing applications and U-Tube videos I have trouble getting a picture on this site! I wouldn't even know where to begin with SMART! I pulled an amp box (CS amps) that I had here in the studio and as soon as I can get them off the camera and convert them I will post the photos here, but it will only go to prove what i have already said "Made In The U.S.A."
 
Have you used one to thaw water pipes yet?

Yes the old CS800A did that once and then continued to be used as a DJ amp!

Electric drills, Angle grinders, fans, etc. all will run to some extent from any source that will produce at least 60 volts AC Most bridged amps will produce a minimum of 70 volts AC at the output, that is all smoke and mirror stuff. Using a small enough gauge wire any bridged amp will weld!
Do you know what the Crown amps were origonally produced for?

As for doing results in SMART for testing applications and U-Tube videos I have trouble getting a picture on this site! I wouldn't even know where to begin with SMART! I pulled an amp box (CS amps) that I had here in the studio and as soon as I can get them off the camera and convert them I will post the photos here, but it will only go to prove what i have already said "Made In The U.S.A."

Like I said in my earlier post, I am not a electronics guy, but my question is this: Why would you want an amp that runs hot? It is my understanding that heat is NOT an electronic boards friend! I would like my amp to run cool and efficient, not get warm enough to thaw frozen water!

Just a question why this could be a good thing???
 
Ben,

You are correct I have never used an Dynacord amp, I have owned and used a couple of EV amps (and yes that was some time ago) and wasn't impressed by them!

As for what is produced today versus what was produced yesterday I agree there is a difference. But as I stated I only have experience with what I have owned and used and can only state to the real facts about those products.

I have admitted that the Dynacord LX amps are in the same league as the QSC PLs and Crown Macros not only in the performance range but in the same price range as well!

Personally while I would love to have any of the three I am not going to shell out $2500 to $4000 for that privledge when a Peavey Amp at half or less of that price will do the job I need to do and last me for 20 years without a hiccup!

Personally I like to keep some of the money I make and invest it into retirement income and I am only looking at another 5 to 10 years at best before that time comes.

I said I was wrong about the Dynacord LX after I read the reviews posted by Michael, to be honest I couldn't really find any reviews other than "this is awesome" before Michael posted his links.

I never claimed that Peavey Amps were in a class with PL, Micro and Macro amps and honestly haven't seen anything on the Dynacord amps so making the claim that they are in that class with nothing more than saying they are in that class leaves a lot to be desired.

What would you say if Numark or American Audio made that claim about their amps without some sort of review to that affect. I think you would say BS!

Dynacord speaker systems I have seen though not very many and I think they are great! I however haven't seen any Dynacord amps powering those rigs.

Dynacord amps have protection circuits (just like many other amps including Peavey) you can short them have them go into protection and like the Peavey it will sit there and go in and out of protection mode without damage for a month. It doesn't prove anything in either case for or against Dynacord, Crown, QSC or Peavey or any other amp that has protection circuitry that is worth it's salt!

How many amps does Dynacord sell anually?

Over the last 20 years how many have been put in the market in any application?

There are test results and there is real world results. Dynacord has been producing amps for 60 years, yet for 39 years (better than half the existence of Dynacord) I have been involved with or around small time bands, DJs, Small sound companies and (yes you are right) never laid eyes on a single Dynacord amp! I have seen many Crown amps, QSC amps, Peavey amps, but not a single Dynacord amp anywhere! This is not a diss of Dynacord just an observation as to market share I am sure somewhere there are sound companies who are and have been using Dynacord amps, just none that I know of!

As for testing the amps I have a few small loads and a couple of os scopes, meters and a frequency generator nothing more and certainly wouldn't be able to do the sort of testing you are asking for! Nor do I have the education that would be reqiured to put those results together!
 
Why would you want an amp that runs hot? It is my understanding that heat is NOT an electronic boards friend! I would like my amp to run cool and efficient, not get warm enough to thaw frozen water!

Just a question why this could be a good thing???

I believe Steve is referring to using the amp output leads like you would with a welding machine to thaw a frozen pipe. Attach the stinger at one end of the pipe and the ground lead at the other end. The current passing through the pipe warms it and thaws the ice. With welding equipment, you're looking at high current and low voltage, 200 amperes @ six volts average. We used to do this at a sweatshop plant I worked in years ago when the water lines froze. I don't think any power amp made is capable of doing this. ;)

I dunno if a DCM will spot weld. I know a Crown Macro will. That's been demonstrated. I dunno if a DCM would withstand Ben's torture bench. Carvin is factory sales only and doesn't sell through dealers. The DCMs will shut down and go into protect when a shorted load is detected. Even at full tilt, a shorted load doesn't damage the DCMs.

I understand that the DCMs have done well in amp shootouts when compared with like designs. I know that they've survived my own stupidity a time or two. The DCMs contain hair-trigger self-protection, yet will carry on when the AC supply sags below 100 volts. They'll dim the lights and keep on rocking.

We have had this happen. Did an outdoor wedding party some years ago where we were at the end of a 100 foot run of 14 AWG Harry Homeowner AC cord. They had the festoon lighting in the tent on the same circuit. It became a dance party with wooden dance floor and all. The bass thump dimmed the festoon lighting (and the frontend shut down) so we backed off the bass a bit and carried on. Once we found a workable medium, we were good.

Just for kicks I ran my system from a Variac at full tilt and turned the supply voltage down. At around 90 volts the frontend shut down (Pio CMX-5000) but the DCMs stayed powered up.

Yeah, I like to abuse things when I get 'em. If they'll withstand my abuse they'll withstand the rigors of the road. I need to know what their capabilities are before I take 'em out. If they can't keep their promises and perform under worst-case scenarios I don't want 'em in the rack.

And we have played in some pretty bad scenarios over the years, trust me on this. :)

Well... it ain't Peavey, Dynacord nor other but you can see that it's made right here in the USA. Class A/B Toroid power supply with big capacitors, 2500 watts RMS bridged @ 4 ohms. 2 ohms, 1250 watts RMS per channel stereo for $549.99. You can pay a lot more to get a little more amp.

I love these amps. Cooling fan exhaust is out the front so you can heat yer sammich or keep your coffee warm. When set on the bottom of the rack case it makes for keeping the tootsies toasty if you're in a cold environment. :)
 

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The new generation of the Peavey CS amps IS manufactured in China. We have six of them and they are all labeled "Made in China." With that said, they're still great amps!
 
LOL!

I may be the noob here.....and I like my Crowns and QSC's........however........

........if the amp you buy gets the job done, pays for itself and your client's aren't complainin' that their ears are bleedin........then really how much does it matter?

LOL this is like the old Ford vs Chevy thing. :sqerr:

Best to all here, regardless of their amp of choice....a Merry Christmas, Happy Hanukkah, best Festivus to you all!

Paul :sqbiggrin:
 
Smoke and mirrors? Really Steve? The smoke I've seen has come out of the other amplifiers. LOL.

As for SMAART (SIC), why not send US the amp then so we can post scientifically valid, fully documentable, irrefutable facts that cannot be described as "smoke and mirrors". Again, with us offering multiple brands I cannot afford to post anything but absolutely truthful resuts or the other mfgs will cry foul. I have nothing to gain by lying and everything to lose.

Frankly Steve, I don't care what your box says. Yes, they USED to be made in the US. Unfortunately that is not the case now. You can't put Sugar Ray in the ring with Mike Tyson. We have to go with what a person can buy NOW. Why even go down that road.

The fact is, and will remain that Peavey amps (in your own words) are inferior to the Dynacord amps. You act as though I've never seen or used one. However, the truth is that YOU have never used a Dynacord and I have experience with both. So, I am back to the challenge. I will gladly send you one, provivded you can accurately and adequately document the results. That is all I'm asking for so that others may see them as pure fact, and not opinion.

Ben

I need another brew, where's Rick? I also need another plate o' BBQ! This is better than a movie! :rofl::sqbiggrin:
 
I believe Steve is referring to using the amp output leads like you would with a welding machine to thaw a frozen pipe. Attach the stinger at one end of the pipe and the ground lead at the other end. The current passing through the pipe warms it and thaws the ice. With welding equipment, you're looking at high current and low voltage, 200 amperes @ six volts average. We used to do this at a sweatshop plant I worked in years ago when the water lines froze. I don't think any power amp made is capable of doing this. ;)

Thanks for the clarification, Fred! I was curious why someone would be happy about an amp getting warm enough to unfreeze pipes! :sqbiggrin:
 
I am just a little guy in a very big pond here but I am curious why nobody is taking about what speakers they are using with these amps....that makes a difference too.....

Just a thought....
If Peavey, EV, QSC, Crown or DynaCord would like to give me system to test in the sound reinforcement business for some of the local bands....I would gladly test them....Its Christmas after all!!!!!!