Mixxx

Discussion in 'Digital DJs' started by Handinon, Nov 18, 2015.

  1. Handinon

    Handinon Well-Known Member

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    It looks like the team working on Mixxx may jump directly from version 1.11 right to to version 2.0

    Scroll to the bottom for the newest of Mixxx 2.0-rc1

    Index of /builds/1.12/release
     
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  2. Handinon

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    I have found a problem if you are running Mixxx (either 1.11 or the new 2.0-RC1) with Windows 10.

    It doesn't work with the Numark DJIO asio soundcard, at least not for me on two different laptops. I've tried all the available Numark DJIO drivers, new and old, no good.

    If anyone does have this combination working, I would like to know how.
     
  3. rhythmgj

    rhythmgj The Real DJ GJ

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    He has a team working on him?!?

    GJ
     
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    Two issues: first, because Mixxx is open source they may not always get the proprietary access they need to produce the right drivers and maps. Imagine for example, that Numark cuts a deal to pair hardware with another commercial software. Making specs readily available to open source competitors might be a restriction. The hardware pairing might remain spotty for the foreseeable future.

    Second, for these applications it's less problematic to stay at least one generation behind with respect to your OS and software pairing. In other words, "if it aint broke don't fix it." It doesn't necessarily pay to be on the front lines of each new upgrade. If you don't have a specific reason or resource need that requires the newest generation it's safer and more convenient to let others be the Beta testers.
     
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    I agree with this. Good info Bob.
     
  6. rhythmgj

    rhythmgj The Real DJ GJ

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    >>>>Second, for these applications it's less problematic to stay at least one generation behind with respect to your OS and software pairing. In other words, "if it aint broke don't fix it." It doesn't necessarily pay to be on the front lines of each new upgrade. If you don't have a specific reason or resource need that requires the newest generation it's safer and more convenient to let others be the Beta testers.<<<<

    You can say that again! In the DAW (digital audio workstation) world, developers (as in, Pro Tools, Sonar, etc.) are always pushing the "latest/greatest" upgrade; many times completely bug-y and incompatible with all the other software and hardware you're running. I've learned that you don't have to "update" just because "you're supposed to."

    GJ
     
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  7. steve149

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    We software vendors would NEVER do that ... ;)
     
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  8. Handinon

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    I would normally agree with this, but it was do or die time for Microsoft with Windows 10 after the Windows 8 fiasco, so I was confident it would be a good launch, and it has been.

    I did wait a few months after the release to upgrade - this has been the first and only problem to hit, and I play around with Traktor 2.9, Mixvibes Cross 3.3.11, a little known thing called Digijay, and obviously Mixxx. All the newest releases, all 64 bit, all running solid. 10 works real good, and my laptops are no great shakes.

    I have other sound cards, so for me this really wasn't a problem, but I did want to get the DJIO to work with Mixxx. I did, and I was just getting ready to post it -

    The issue is specific to Audacity, Mixxx, and other "open source" software that use PortAudio, a cross-platform audio I/O. Seems it doesn't play well with Windows 10, especially if the ASIO driver for your soundcard isn't really "compliant", whatever that is. The temporary "fix" for the Numark DJIO is, before you open Mixxx, go into Windows "Device Manager", select "Sound, video, and games controllers" and then disable "Numark USB Audio - WDM 2.9.64". Now when you open Mixxx, all the Sound API's (including ASIO) are available, and it works fine.

    Obviously, you shouldn't have to do this - I have notified Numark and suggested that they let Ploytec GmbH (the driver developer) know.
     
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  9. ittigger

    ittigger 100 Acre Industry Icon

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    Windows 10 has so far been decent - but its still new. So new that a bunch of users are still afraid to migrate .. for fear that nothing that currently works, will still work. Vendors are also still writing, releasing and troubleshooting code to support various environments, etc.
     
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    Is there a way to see if a particular program will work with Windows 10 before installing it? Probably not...

    BUT...MS says you can "go back" to 7 or 8 (whatever you had) after installing 10. Is this true?
     
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    Sure - if you have the recovery discs or a backup. MS has never been 'easy' to roll back.

    There's no way to truly test the environment without upgrading. The vendors should know if an app is Win10 compliant - but that's usually a 'baseline' assessment. As with any other app, your specific environment may or may not act the same.
     
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  12. DJ TJ

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    That's exactly why all my computers still run xp pro with the exception of one win 7 machine that I use for evaluating software that specifies it as a minimum requirement. I will probably move everything over to win 7 in another year or so.

    Have no desire or need to move to 8.1 or 10 at this point, even though MS has been baiting the donkey with the free upgrade carrot. Again I will probably upgrade one machine to win 10 just for evaluation purposes but it will be quite some time before that OS becomes my everyday platform.

    I have no need to be on the leading,..........er bleeding edge.
     
  13. Proformance

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    I like that description.
     
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  14. ittigger

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    Reminder - Any and all XP machines should never see the Internet anymore. It truly is in your best interest to upgrade any Internet connected XP machines to at least Win7 if they are capable and if you have access to a legitimate version of Win7. If you do not have a version of Win7 to upgrade to, you'll have to go to Win10 (they don't sell Win7 any longer).
     
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  15. Handinon

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    As of October 1st, 110 million Windows 10 installs, obviously much higher now. This is the inevitability of Microsoft's goal of a unified operating system across all platforms. You can not pay now, or pay later - eventually you'll have no choice.

    Seriously, that's a lot of installs in a very short period of time - and very few horror stories as well (i.e. the problem I ran into is not a biggie).

    It works well, and I haven't received the first big post-install update that occurs 30 days after installation. Supposed to work even better then, like boot faster, but I also believe it's also much harder to go back down to 8 or 7 after the update, that's the reason for the delay.
     
  16. ittigger

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    I'm waiting for SP1. :)
     
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  17. DJ TJ

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    And why pray tell should they never see the internet?
    And please don't hand me a cup of the Microsoft kool-aid cuz I ain't drinkin' it.
    Using xp's firewall combined with my router's firewall and I have no vulnerabilities according to Gibson's.

    Home of Gibson Research Corporation

    And if my browser (Firefox) was that vulnerable in xp (I just downloaded the latest version this week), Mozilla would not be allowing me to use it without first upgrading to at least win 7.
    The majority of common third party software I have seen still only requires xp sp2 or sp3 as a minimum.

    Don't know about retail, but there are still lots of legit oem and mar (Microsoft Authorized Refurbisher) copies of win 7 out there for sale and I imagine they will continue to be of value until July of 2016 when the free upgrade to Win 10 expires iirc.
     
  18. Handinon

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    That's cool, but IMHO don't wait to the last month to at least see if your hardware is compatible. You can use the Windows 10 Compatibility checker.
    Not everything is upgrade-able. As an example, the Windows 7 desktop I'm typing on has an older AMD cpu that isn't compatible with Windows 10, and is not upgrade-able. It's missing a certain instruction set. If you wait to the last moment to migrate your OS as well your applications, you might not be a happy camper, and there is little logic in paying for a Windows 7 upgrade on a box that won't run 10. In addition, unless you are running the very uncommon XP Professional x64, you are limiting yourself to a 32 bit environment. Many apps run better in 64 bit.

    The world moves forward - there is a reason you see people throwing away perfectly good computers, it's called future proofing. Me? It's been a long time since I've seen the Blue Screen of Death.
     
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    I don't believe in the MS kool aid, nor in Apples kool aid nor anyone elses. The main reason, Windows develops more and more vulnerabilities every day and MS has not supported XP for quite some time now. The weaknesses in XP's firewall are known and because there are no more updates, they're finding more everyday. Additionally, a software firewall can be defeated, especially if it is no longer being updated. Unless your router is new and updated, it can also be defeated. These are IT and network security principles.

    Finally, there is no support for XP from MS nor any of it's vendors. This is kind of like saying you're going to continue driving a 1960 Chris Craft boat even though it's full of holes. That is your choice and you are free to do so. Hackers and the like, love that so many are still using XP. You are a premium target to them .. and if you think they can't get around a router and non supported / aged firewall, then you've got your eyes closed.

    Correct, you may be able to find Win7 in some places, but retailers have stopped selling it. XP SP2 and SP3 may be minimum requirements but if MS is not supporting it and you need help, the first thing they'll ask you to do is upgrade. Something else to keep in mind, when the 'majority of common software' hit the market, XP may have still been supported by MS. I don't think you will find too many new products with a minimum requirement of XP anymore.

    Mozilla itself is not the issue for vulnerabilities. XP is.

    Some food for thought - when Win98SE was retired, it had 600,000 known and documented bugs. XP has much, much more. As time goes on, more and more are found. Without updates or support, it just gets worse.

    Some of these high profile hacks you've seen in the news - they're still running legacy systems with no support.
     
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  20. DJ TJ

    DJ TJ Well-Known Member

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    You both make a good case and even though it's sounds like I'm trying to stay living in the past, I just don't see the need to be on the forefront of technology. As was mentioned, let someone else be the beta tester.

    Many of my desktops are older machines that I'm already sure won't run Win 10 and even if they could it would not be worth it over time so I won't even waste a win7 license on them to find out (I have quite a number of legit oem win7 disks that I received quite a good deal on a while back so my os cost outlay is minimal).

    I'm not worried about leaving the free upgrade to the last minute as I will only be upgrading my 64bit machines to seven anyways so I'm pretty sure they will all run Win 10.

    I also play a little bit in the new and used computer buy and sell biz so I usually have access to some quite good deals on both hardware and software, so for that reason as well I don't feel the urgency to upgrade.
     
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