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Guns are Bad according to Liberals and Hilary Clinton.

You have not put fourth a good reason as to why you need a 20 or 30 round magazine capability? Is "Just in case we are invaded" or "because I need to protect myself" truly valid? The Liberals say no, these are BS reasons.

You can always call the Police to come protect you. You are suppose to use a Bat, or a stick or something until they arrive...

Or, why can't a gun with only 10 rounds protect you against a criminal, terrorist, invader, etc. Leave the higher capacity guns to Military and Police only to deal with extreme situations.

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I don't need to put forth a good reason why I need them. I have some 25 or so XLR cables .. don't need them either. The cables aren't hurting anyone, neither are the magazines. Police don't protect individuals .. they protect "the public" .. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/28/p...ot-have-a-constitutional-duty-to-protect.html. They mostly mop up after something has happened. I don't intend to be that someone that something happened to.
 
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Guns are Bad according to Liberals and Hilary Clinton.

You have not put fourth a good reason as to why you need a 20 or 30 round magazine capability? Is "Just in case we are invaded" or "because I need to protect myself" truly valid? The Liberals say no, these are BS reasons.

You can always call the Police to come protect you. You are suppose to use a Bat, or a stick or something until they arrive...

Or, why can't a gun with only 10 rounds protect you against a criminal, terrorist, invader, etc. Leave the higher capacity guns to Military and Police only to deal with extreme situations.

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large portions of food are bad for you maybe they should out law upgrading to a a medium or large at McDonalds
 
You know its just fun to go shoot 30 rounds of ammo without having to reload, I might have to go play this afternoon I have some tannerite and an old junk ford escort I've been meaning to experiment with
 
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You know its just fun to go shoot 30 rounds of ammo without having to reload, I might have to go play this afternoon I have some tannerite and an old junk ford escort I've been meaning to experiment with


That's there argument? So what. Is it really that much of a hassle for you to fill 3 10 round clips for your fun?

LOL ...I got into this same argument with a liberal friend earlier this year who owns a pistol, and 10 round magazines. He said the only reason gun owners are really against it is because they don't want to have to fill multiple mags, as it's a hassle, and there is no real reason to be against 10 round mags. It helps prevent some nut from going out and being able to kill 15 or 20 people as quickly...the ammo change may give police or someone else a chance to take them down.
 
That's there argument? So what. Is it really that much of a hassle for you to fill 3 10 round clips for your fun?

LOL ...I got into this same argument with a liberal friend earlier this year who owns a pistol, and 10 round magazines. He said the only reason gun owners are really against it is because they don't want to have to fill multiple mags, as it's a hassle, and there is no real reason to be against 10 round mags. It helps prevent some nut from going out and being able to kill 15 or 20 people as quickly...the ammo change may give police or someone else a chance to take them down.
If we ban all red rubber noses, we can also prevent millions of folks being freaked out by clowns.
 
That's there argument? So what. Is it really that much of a hassle for you to fill 3 10 round clips for your fun?

LOL ...I got into this same argument with a liberal friend earlier this year who owns a pistol, and 10 round magazines. He said the only reason gun owners are really against it is because they don't want to have to fill multiple mags, as it's a hassle, and there is no real reason to be against 10 round mags. It helps prevent some nut from going out and being able to kill 15 or 20 people as quickly...the ammo change may give police or someone else a chance to take them down.
It's weird I left one of those magazines full of ammo on the front porch of my house all afternoon, it didn't hurt anybody, people are responsible for their actions not products, thats like saying we should ban fast food because it makes people over weight, would guarantee that obesity has killed more people in the US than guns have.
 
+1 - disarming the people won't disarm the crooks. The only people that the gun laws affect .. are the good people.

Sadly this is true but at the same time if there was no access to multiple round magazines it levels the playing field quite a bit.

Or, why can't a gun with only 10 rounds protect you against a criminal, terrorist, invader, etc. Leave the higher capacity guns to Military and Police only to deal with extreme situations.

Not all Liberal thinking people believe that and some of us would only require one round. Waste not want not ;)
 
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"all you need" regarding capacity is big red herring.
Sure, I may only need 3 to get a deer but so what if I put 30 in my gun?
I may only need 4 or 6 or 8 rounds to get a bad guy but again, so what if I have 19 in my pistol?
And i'll just carry more magazines..it's tenths of a second to reload..even if it's a 6 shot revolver.

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FbUMqoyjDw


You only need 3 gallons of gas in your car, right? For most trips - that's true. So why do they have 15 or 20 or 30 gallon tanks? There's no NEED for big tanks! LOL

And assualt rifles..LOL. Here's a video of 19th century weapons - single action 'peacemaker' revolvers, 1873 winchester and a double barrel shotgun.
24 rounds from 4 guns in UNDER 10 seconds and everything hits it's target.
View: https://www.facebook.com/jonwarnerscott/videos/10208917743595653/


So the point of limited magazines or types of guns is BS - all red herring crap.

Background checks - i'm all for that.
"registration"..not so much. What's the point? The ONLY point I see is so that you can trace an illegally used firearm back to where it left the legit system and perhaps prosecute the person/s responsible for it getting into the bad guy's hands.

The issue is criminals by their very nature don't obey laws. We had 3 HS kids shoot and kill 2 other HS kids 2 weeks ago - an 18 yr old and a 13 year old had pistols..in PA no-one under 21 is allowed to have a handgun. What new law will they obey? None. What new law would have kept them from getting the guns? DOn't think any..but don't know (yet) how they did get them.

A better question might be where the hell were their parents? Why the hell are 6 HS kids doing a drug deal ($140 buy of 'harmless' weed) at 8:30 on a school night? In the ghetto (3 kids from there) with kids from upper middle class (3 went there to sell..not buy!).

BTW, the 'gun that won WW2" that Patton called the best weapon ever made only holds 8 rounds. And it defeated the Nazi's and Japs.

The M1 Garand World War II and Korea Rifle

And CONGRESS created the CMP to sell mil surplus rifles and train folks to shoot...
Civilian Marksmanship Program - Wikipedia

And you can still buy surplus garands from them. Cheaply.
Gun control and taking guns away are two very different things. I'm pro gun ownership I feel if you want guns you should be able to own them but there needs to be a process to get a gun rather than a walk in and buy. I also feel that at no point will an average citizen need an Uzi. You don't need more than 10 rounds for hunting and if you need more than 10 for protection you really need to reevaluate where you live
 
Pistols...
2 15 round (20.64 sec) vs 3 10 round (18.05 sec) vs 5 6 round magazines (21.45) sec...a trained pro.
An amateur 22.9, 25.51, 26.39

Magazine capacity makes no damned difference.

They then go on to do the test again with an AR
one 20 round mag...vs two 10 round mags...
12.16 and 10.73...it's not the magazine change but how fast you pull the trigger (see cowboy video above)

then they do a demo where someone tries to tackle the shooter as they pause to reload...can't be done.

then they go to revolvers...where they do a 'new york reload' - dump the empty gun and go to a loaded one. If a crimnal can get one gun why not 2 or 3 or 10?

and at the end they use a 105 year old design pistol to do 21 rounds (3 mags) in under 10 seconds. (colt 1911)

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MCSySuemiHU
 
Not all Liberal thinking people believe that and some of us would only require one round. Waste not want not ;)

If my life is on the line and I have a choice between a 10-round gun and a 1-round derringer, guess which one I'm going to pick?
 
was at the range today - got to fire a CZ scorpion, 9mm, 20 rounds...interesting item.
CZ Scorpion EVO 3 S1 Pistol - CZ-USA

With a red dot or laser would make a wonderful home defense pistol.
Shotguns are the best home defense tools .. the problem with centerfire rounds, is they will go through many layers of sheetrock and therefore you really need to aim in a safe direction ... tough to do under stress.
 
I tend to agree - but long guns can be a challenge to move arount a house, attach a light to (and you need 2 hands to hold it..so you're in the dark), hold very little ammo (relatively speaking) and you must choose the right ammo - birdshot won't hurt a well dressed human and slugs are more damaging (penetration) and just as hard to aim as any other gun.

So you need buckshot..at indoor ranges (what, 10 feet? if that?) you get no spread so the aiming aspect is a fallacy. At ten feet you get a 3" pattern with #4 buck (
View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhP36HrufKk
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So you gotta be withing what, 6 inches to hit the bad guy - if your aiming for center of mass and can get withing 6" at 10 feet you're gonna hit the guy with your glock too.

Some like shotguns because they won't kill the guy next door - no over penetrataion, and that is generally true. But if lack of penetration won't stop the bad guy either.
Interesting test...
The Box O' Truth #3 - The Shotgun Meets the Box O' Truth - The Box O' Truth

A 22lr penetrated as much as the shotgun round.
The Box O' Truth #1 - The Original Box O' Truth - The Box O' Truth

Shotguns are the best home defense tools .. the problem with centerfire rounds, is they will go through many layers of sheetrock and therefore you really need to aim in a safe direction ... tough to do under stress.

The best self defense gun is the one you are familiar with - accurate, can shoot half asleep (manipulate, load, etc) or under stress. It's got to be muscle memory - because you need to have your mind on the target - is it a family member? your dog? a for-real bad guy?

If your distracted with making the weapon run you may shoot someone by accident, increase your chance of missing and if it's truly a bad guy you may get shot/attacked before you even get a shot off.

So therefore you HD gun should be the same as your carry or car gun (i know people that have guns all over the damned place..paranoid? can't say...LOL).

I shoot idpa and combat (PPC) with my glock 43 - i've shot it in the rain, heat, cold, while seated, standing, moving, backing up, through a window, from inside a car, throu the two open doors of a minivan, at moving targets, while lying down, from the draw (unaimed at belt level) and more.

So I missed the groundhog in my back yard at 35 yards by 6"... i'd have hit a human sized target no problem.
 
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