What Type Of System Is This? (The Real Poll)

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What Would You Call The System Described?

  • Two Way

    Votes: 2 100.0%

  • Three Way

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Two Way With Enhanced /Added Bass

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • None Of The Above

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Other (Please Explain)

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Total voters
    2
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ittigger said:
Using your own logic here, if I turn off my subs, I lose the low freq's. If I turn off the tops, I lose high and mid freq. Does this now meet your definition of a 3 way?



A 2 way with added bass? How does one 'add' bass? My top reproduces a range, my 12" reproduces another and the sub reproduces another - all within specified parameters. Your definition of a 3 way, (top, mid and bass) is exactly what I have. I do not have a top and mid/low with another low.
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To question #1, what does your system entail and from where are your connections coming? I need that info before I can answer.

To question #2Added bass is just that, you plug in another Bass Cabinet(s).

The definition of a Three Way System is where you have Tweeters reproducing a high range of the musical spectrum, Midrange Speakers reproducing the middle part of a musical spectrum and Woofers reproducing the Bass/Lower range of a musical spectrum. There has to be two cut off points, one between the Mids and Highs and the other between the Bass and Mids. That can be achieved by the use of an Electronic Crossover or with Passive Filters. Newer amps may have an onboard DSP so if you set the cut off points in the amp providing the speakers are capable of reproducing that tailored signal.

The best use of a 3 way system is to have it tri amped. The transducers will then receive an amplified dedicated signal.
 
Steve and Mike, in the system described and the others being discussed, show me the following. Where is the Tweeter, where is the Midrange, where is the Woofer. You need those three components to make a three way system. Two woofers and a Hi Frequency horn does not make a three way system, plain and simple.
 
ahoustondj said:
To question #1, what does your system entail and from where are your connections coming? I need that info before I can answer.
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When is your diagram coming...?

BTW, you never answered what my diagrammed system is...
 
ahoustondj said:
Steve and Mike, in the system described and the others being discussed, show me the following. Where is the Tweeter, where is the Midrange, where is the Woofer. You need those three components to make a three way system. Two woofers and a Hi Frequency horn does not make a three way system, plain and simple.
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I give up .. logic doesn't seem to be in high availability ...
 
steve149 said:
I give up .. logic doesn't seem to be in high availability ...
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Did I not warn you Steve... ;)

KNut does this sh_t all the time. He reads one thing, and determines that is the end all. He doesn't do any methodical research, he just assumes what one thing he read is true.

He won't even answer my question, and I provided a detailed diagram.

Stop spinning your wheels ;)
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Did I not warn you Steve... ;)

KNut does this sh_t all the time. He reads one thing, and determines that is the end all. He doesn't do any methodical research, he just assumes what one thing he read is true.

He won't even answer my question, and I provided a detailed diagram.

Stop spinning your wheels ;)
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I will have you know something my friend. I did have formal Electronics training. I built and designed my first system back in 1978 based on the Three Way Tri Amped design. This is why, even today the core of the system can still stand up to these guys with their Two Way plus Sub configurations and leave them in the dust.
 
ahoustondj said:
To question #1, what does your system entail and from where are your connections coming? I need that info before I can answer.
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I've detailed my system already.

ahoustondj said:
To question #2Added bass is just that, you plug in another Bass Cabinet(s).
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In order to have 'another' bass cabinet, don't you have to have the first one first? what is it when you plug in the first bass cabinet?

ahoustondj said:
The definition of a Three Way System is where you have Tweeters reproducing a high range of the musical spectrum, Midrange Speakers reproducing the middle part of a musical spectrum and Woofers reproducing the Bass/Lower range of a musical spectrum. There has to be two cut off points, one between the Mids and Highs and the other between the Bass and Mids. That can be achieved by the use of an Electronic Crossover or with Passive Filters. Newer amps may have an onboard DSP so if you set the cut off points in the amp providing the speakers are capable of reproducing that tailored signal.
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And that's exactly what mine do. What am I/are you missing?

ahoustondj said:
The best use of a 3 way system is to have it tri amped. The transducers will then receive an amplified dedicated signal.
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While I agree with this, it's not the only use. Also, I guess you could consider mine tri amped - each horn/driver has it's own amp (or dedicated part of the amp) and the transducers DO receive an amplified dedicated signal. Does that still not qualify it as a 3 way?
 
ahoustondj said:
Steve and Mike, in the system described and the others being discussed, show me the following. Where is the Tweeter, where is the Midrange, where is the Woofer. You need those three components to make a three way system. Two woofers and a Hi Frequency horn does not make a three way system, plain and simple.
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In response, do 2 horns and a woofer make a 3 way? I think not. You, yourself, said a 3 way is 3 separate components covering 3 separate spectrums of a given signal. I've shown you that I have that and you still say I do not have a 3 way. Instead, I have a 2 way with added bass (this is when you add 'another' bass). If you don't have a bass, you can't add 'another'. My subs cover a range that my 12's cannot. My highs cover a range that my 12's cannot. What and where is the difference here?
 
ittigger said:
In response, do 2 horns and a woofer make a 3 way? That would depend on if the two horns, if one is a Tweeter and the other a Midrange with proper crossovers it will be. I think not. You, yourself, said a 3 way is 3 separate components Tweeter, Midrange and Woofer is what I said..covering 3 separate spectrums 3 complete separate parts of the spectrum. of a given signal. I've shown you that I have that and you still say I do not have a 3 way. Instead, I have a 2 way with added bass (this is when you add 'another' bass). If you don't have a bass, you can't add 'another'. My subs cover a range that my 12's cannot. So in other words if you are using the Cabinets without the sub, there won't be any Bass, right? My friend the 12" is a woofer. It may not go as low as an 18 but it is still bass. My highs cover a range that my 12's cannot. What and where is the difference here?
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Again Mike. Can your two way cabinet reproduce Bass. The answer is Yes. Can your two way cabinet perform without a Sub? The answer is yes. Does the sub reproduce Bass, the answer is Yes. They are both woofers and there is a major overlap between their frequencies with no clean cut separation. The three components that I am speaking about are Tweeters, Midranges and Woofers. Identify those three for me in YOUR configuration.

If the sub had a by pass filter and an output to connect the tops, it would still be a two way because the by pass filter in the sub only splits two ways. Highs/Mids and Lows.
These are facts: In a two way box there are only two Sections of the Music spectrum. What goes down to the Bass and the Balance goes to the Horn.
In a Sub with a bypass filter there is only one section of that music spectrum whatever the cut off point is and below.
 
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