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jokerswild said:
Apples and Oranges Rick...

Can you sucessfully separate Drag-n-Drop and the skins and be able to sell them separate from the software package as plugins? Maybe.

Would it be profitable for you to do so? Probably not.

But, in the DJ Service world where we are providing a Service and not a Product it is very possible and it is definately not a case of nickel and diming folks....
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Rob,
I think DJs with their own equipment are providing both Service as well as Product. If the client wants music and not your service, they can go out and rent equipment (Product) to do it themselves. They nor you cannot provide the service without the product.
 
ahoustondj said:
Rob,
I think DJs with their own equipment are providing both Service as well as Product. If the client wants music and not your service, they can go out and rent equipment (Product) to do it themselves. They nor you cannot provide the service without the product.
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Well,

I think of it differently. No product is involved. Product is something they purchase that stays with them.

In our case, the sound system is just a tool, like a hammer is for a carpenter or a wrench for a plumber.

You wouldn't say the plumber supplied you with a product because he used a wrench to do his job would you?:sqcool:
 
Sounds To Go said:
Well,

I think of it differently. No product is involved. Product is something they purchase that stays with them.

In our case, the sound system is just a tool, like a hammer is for a carpenter or a wrench for a plumber.

You wouldn't say the plumber supplied you with a product because he used a wrench to do his job would you?:sqcool:
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A carpenter or Plumber does not add tools every month or week. A DJ has to purchase Product and a client can do the same. A homeowner does not have the necessary skills or license to be a plumber.
 
ahoustondj said:
Rob,
I think DJs with their own equipment are providing both Service as well as Product. If the client wants music and not your service, they can go out and rent equipment (Product) to do it themselves. They nor you cannot provide the service without the product.
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Sounds To Go said:
Well,

I think of it differently. No product is involved. Product is something they purchase that stays with them.

In our case, the sound system is just a tool, like a hammer is for a carpenter or a wrench for a plumber.

You wouldn't say the plumber supplied you with a product because he used a wrench to do his job would you?:sqcool:
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Sounds almost has it.... except for the analogy.... if a plumber replaces a pipe fitting or what have you he is suppling both a service (the work done to replace or repair a pipe) and a product (that new elbow fitting).

Unlike some services be it a rental of a sound system and an ipod or a full DJ package where you get good 'ol smilin' Rob as your master of ceremonys... the client who rents or hires you does not get to keep anything after all is said and done... you rent the gear they return it... or you are hired go setup your equipment and tear it down and go home... the client is left with nothing but the experience, an non tangable, just a great feeling of having a great time... that is a service not a product.

Just like a hotel.... you go in with your money and come out rested... that's it, unless ya steal the towels but then you'd get charged for them.
 
jokerswild said:
Sounds almost has it.... except for the analogy.... if a plumber replaces a pipe fitting or what have you he is suppling both a service (the work done to replace or repair a pipe) and a product (that new elbow fitting).

Unlike some services be it a rental of a sound system and an ipod or a full DJ package where you get good 'ol smilin' Rob as your master of ceremonys... the client who rents or hires you does not get to keep anything after all is said and done... you rent the gear they return it... or you are hired go setup your equipment and tear it down and go home... the client is left with nothing but the experience, an non tangable, just a great feeling of having a great time... that is a service not a product.

Just like a hotel.... you go in with your money and come out rested... that's it, unless ya steal the towels but then you'd get charged for them.
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You may have a valid point there Mr. Man!:sqbiggrin:
 
I just opened a Sam Adams -- is that a product, or a service...?

Certainly it is a product (I bought it). Yet, it is also a service, as I can actually call them, and they listen to me :sqbiggrin:

Since I have called them, they did listen and respond -- where is the difference...?

BTW, they didn't charge me any more, cause I called them... :sqwink:



So, I call any of you folks above, and I get a different price, depending on yer mood, how many lights you feel like carrying that day, and whatever BS you can offer?


Hang on -- need to go buy a car from the used car salesman... :sqlaugh: :rofl:
 
SoftJock Rick said:
I just opened a Sam Adams -- is that a product, or a service...?

Certainly it is a product (I bought it). Yet, it is also a service, as I can actually call them, and they listen to me :sqbiggrin:

Since I have called them, they did listen and respond -- where is the difference...?
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Huge difference.... you got the beer in your hand and if you drink enough of them you not only get to see them get peed back out or puked up in to your toilet but you get a right good buzz and maybe if your lucky a hangover the next day.... plus you get to keep that fantastic bottle as a souveneer of your escapades the night before....

After the DJ has left what do you have? A memory of his awesomeness.
 
jokerswild said:
Huge difference.... you got the beer in your hand and if you drink enough of them you not only get to see them get peed back out or puked up in to your toilet but you get a right good buzz and maybe if your lucky a hangover the next day.... plus you get to keep that fantastic bottle as a souveneer of your escapades the night before....

After the DJ has left what do you have? A memory of his awesomeness.
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Puking and hangover from BEER? You must be kidding me. Hard booze, yes! But beer and wine? Those are just beverages! You must still be in Grade School! lOL
Then again, you are excused. I am an island man where we are accustomed to drinking 75% proof rum. Don't light a cigarette near that thing.
Back to our regular scheduled program.
 
SoftJock Rick said:
So, I call any of you folks above, and I get a different price, depending on yer mood, how many lights you feel like carrying that day, and whatever BS you can offer?


Hang on -- need to go buy a car from the used car salesman... :sqlaugh: :rofl:
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The way I price, the client always gets what they pay for OR MORE (yes - IF I'm "in a good mood":sqlaugh:)

They never get less than they pay for - whereas the "flat-rate" guys - "one price for your wedding... PERIOD!" are charging for more by default (assuming the have a clue about even the most basic concepts of business and pricing structure), so the pricing is always skewed in their favor - and the client - in all but the RAREST cases is paying for stuff, options, extras, travel, etc. they probably aren't getting or taking advantage of for their event. And the dj calls that his "profit margin." Obviously he DOESN'T have a clue!

So sure - call it convoluted. Call it complicated and a source of headache - but you're going to get a BETTER VALUE for your money by having me total up 4 line items that you actually know you want and or need for your event than you are from the guy who quotes you his standard 'one-size-fits-all' "flat rate" on the first call. If he has HALF a brain, there is a definite margin for error in his flat-rate, and you can bet your BACKSIDE that that margin of error isn't working out in YOUR FAVOR!

So I guess if you don't mind getting screwed over just cause there's no math to make your head hurt, you probably ARE better off going with that guy! :sqlaugh::rofl::sqlaugh:
 
ahoustondj said:
A Few questions:
1. In your standard setup, do you include some sort of lighting at no extra charge or is it always an up sell?

2. For an event where a Projector, Montage, Gobo or similar effect is required, do you charge extra for this?
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well depends on the package, the upsel and what ever else is needed

video, photography, limo service, flowers, cake, etc etc (have to make money somewhere)

jokerswild said:
Apples and Oranges
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as stated Apples and pears in my case :sqwink:
 
Sounds to go...

Sorry, forgot your name...I'm TIM -

Anways, I jsut clicked on oyur web site, isn't it an oxymoron statement to say *Wedding DJ Prices from $750!* - How about *Weddings start at $750*, or *Weddings from $750* - They know you're a DJ...

That's all..

I'm just sayin'
 
For us it's $450, no upsells ever. We bring what is needed for the event. The only time we add on an extra charge is for overtime or if we're traveling over an hour from home.
 
AlbanyAMS said:
Sorry, forgot your name...I'm TIM -

Anways, I jsut clicked on oyur web site, isn't it an oxymoron statement to say *Wedding DJ Prices from $750!* - How about *Weddings start at $750*, or *Weddings from $750* - They know you're a DJ...

That's all..

I'm just sayin'
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Hey Tim! :sqbiggrin:

Thanks for the note. Actually it's not an oxymoron at all (I'll let others look it up rather than paste it here).

There may be a slight case for saying that it's something of a redundancy given the context.... but in the strictest sense it's not even that either. :sqwink:
 
Sounds To Go said:
I realize we're in different markets, and I don't know the market average where you're at, but are you sure you guys are charging enough?
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Our market is a really odd one, actually make that an extremely odd one. We've got 3 different pricing tiers of wedding DJs and then 4 different tiers of general DJs.

Weddings we've got a couple of multi-ops in the $1000+ range
us and 4 others in the $350-$600 range, including three multi-ops
and there's a small handfull of guys around $250

For general DJs tack on another group at less than $200 and if you're talking on campus, can't forget the Apple reps and their Apple funded iPod systems ($150ish).

We figured that with everything that has been happening in our area, starting almost a full year ago, going above $500 wouldn't be too smart. By and large around here we've got 6 major employers (Purdue, Eli Lily, Wabash National, Alcoa, Subaru, Caterpillar) in town and then several in the surronding towns. Within the past year, Eli Lily announced they'll be closing their doors in the next couple of years; Alcoa cut about 1/3 of their workforce; Subaru laid off a couple thousand; Wabash National (semi trailer maker) closed the south plant and cut about 7500 jobs; Cat just cut 1000 a couple months ago; and Purdue is on a hiring freeze. Couple that with a large portion of the farmer's have had their fields washed out at least once over the past two years and you get the picture.

One of our $1000 multi-ops had to start offering a barebones sound only package this year for $500 because he wasn't getting the bookings at his normal rates.

Ducky and I plan to revisit our rates for the 2011 season, but for now the $450 keeps us happy. Heck we went from 16 weddings last year to 25 this year, and the norm around here is for people to start looking for their DJ 3-6 months out.
 
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