I'm startin' to think we should all go back to disc-based just so we can wave the jewel-case back and forth over our heads every time we fade into a new track.
What makes it legal?
- Thread starter Jeff Romard
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Dan,
I could not agree more. I was thinking the exact same thing as I was reading through the threads.
I don't need a lawyer, or DJs that think they are lawyers, to tell me what they think what is legal and what is not. I will continue to play any media I've purchased from a reliable source and will not care one bit about what format I've purchased it in. When I do buy online, it's from napster, amazon, or itunes.
I won't buy copies(copied from what seems like an unauthorized source). Legal issues aside, I find you typically get what you pay for. Yes, I can find cracked DJ software...or I can pay for it and get support..bug fixes, and updates.
I can download all of my music, or I can get it from a reliable source and not have to worry about quality.
YOU CANNOT PUT A PRICE TAG ON "PEACE OF MIND"
As complicated as some of these laws want to make it, deep down I believe we all know the difference between what is right and what is wrong.
Scott,
Your post makes a very grand assumption, that being, ethics and legitimacy.
Too many don't have your desire to behave legitimately. F' em! Let em rot in their "leecherous" sewer.
We're no longer music gods!
Years ago, before music was available on-line and so easily in a few other ways, us DJ's with massive CD based libraries were looked on as gods of music since very few outside this business had the reason to mass accumulate their own huge collection.
You'd be at an event with your table bending under the weight of hundreds and hundreds of CD's (more heavily concentrated weight if you used sleeves) and people would be impressed by the sight.
Now, it's so much easier to have a huge collection. With a laptop, they don't know of you have 1000 tracks or 100,000 tracks - legally obtained or not - and they don't care.
Face it, technology has changed the perception of our industry. And with the new ease of obtaining music, much of the mystique is gone. And with all this comes newbie DJ's with no real talent or clues as to what we do.
Is it any wonder why many clients AND venues view us as one big mass of faceless humanity? Is it any wonder why we are shown so much less respect by many clients and venues than we used to receive?
It comes down to word of mouth, guests (future potential clients) seeing you perform and your reputation. Oh, that and impeccable customer service and delivering what your competition can't or won't supply.
Those that can adapt and adjust will survive. Those that can't or won't will fade away.
off my soapbox...your turn...
Years ago, before music was available on-line and so easily in a few other ways, us DJ's with massive CD based libraries were looked on as gods of music since very few outside this business had the reason to mass accumulate their own huge collection.
You'd be at an event with your table bending under the weight of hundreds and hundreds of CD's (more heavily concentrated weight if you used sleeves) and people would be impressed by the sight.
Now, it's so much easier to have a huge collection. With a laptop, they don't know of you have 1000 tracks or 100,000 tracks - legally obtained or not - and they don't care.
Face it, technology has changed the perception of our industry. And with the new ease of obtaining music, much of the mystique is gone. And with all this comes newbie DJ's with no real talent or clues as to what we do.
Is it any wonder why many clients AND venues view us as one big mass of faceless humanity? Is it any wonder why we are shown so much less respect by many clients and venues than we used to receive?
It comes down to word of mouth, guests (future potential clients) seeing you perform and your reputation. Oh, that and impeccable customer service and delivering what your competition can't or won't supply.
Those that can adapt and adjust will survive. Those that can't or won't will fade away.
off my soapbox...your turn...
Advances in technology are not the fundamental reason. More on that below.
Really, was it ever truly a mystery how a legitimate DJ was able to legally obtain music? I always and simply purchased my music from legitimate vendors and saw no mystery in the centuries old practice of open commerce.
Getting closer.
Knowing I will sound like a curmudgeon, the acknowledgment of the value of apprenticeship and learning is not part of the most of the current generation's skill set. Here is the "more" promised above: They have all too willingly, lazily, and selfishly submitted their humanity to technology. They believe, mostly because their lazy, selfish mentors and leaders have behaved in a manner that is based on it, that "results justify means."
None of my clients or venues do. Although if I don't lose weight, the "big mass" part will be apropos.
P.S. Don't ever abandon your soapbox. The next voice you hear will likely be that of your enemy. If you won't relentlessly stand up for what you believe, who will?
The international difference is this:
In the USA, the Sherman Anti-Trust Act was devised to forbid the formation of monopolies with the power to wreak unlimted economic power. (See: Standard Oil and the history of that period.)
If the right to copy and distribute Intellectual Property (IP) could be cleared by a single authority - that authority would have a monopoly and thus, unlimited power to control prices and distribution. They could favor certain parties while blacklisting others and totally control the economy of IP.
Therefore, in the USA if you intend to produce a compilation of IP works you must get the permissison or clearance of each individual rights holder including the authors, publishers, and/or any exlcusively licensed distributors. Thus, your inability to buy a HD full of music has more to do with anti-trust law than it does copyrights.
The USA is historically the largest supplier of IP. Therefore, in a country like CANADA where much of the rights originate outside the borders, it is much easier to negotiate internationally as a singular entity and then manage those rights nationally within the country through a singular agency - hence the AVLA.
You could buy a HD full of licensed music - however, in the USA it would be very expensive (imagine the entire Promo Only back catalog on a single hard drive.) Licenses are often "time sensitive," hence a record pool for example, may produce a disc and when the supply runs out - that's it, they distribute those tracks no more and pay no further license fees.
The only source of legitimately licensed HDs filled with music in the USA that I know of is the jukebox industry.
You can on the other hand, legitimately create your own HD full of music from any selections you already own. If you transfer ownership of a selection - your rights to that selection are also transferred -and it should also be taken off your HD.
The "gray area" is where you simply decide you like the hard drive better, and dump the originals in a land-fill or incinerator. Since you have not transferred the rights you acquired at the time of purchase - it does not follow that you must also purge the hard drive copy. Most people agree however, that you lose the right to transfer the hard drive to someone esle since it no longer carries the trademarks of the original license.
So, while you are free to enjoy your hard drive - the right of resale only resides in the licensed and tradermarked original.
In the USA, the Sherman Anti-Trust Act was devised to forbid the formation of monopolies with the power to wreak unlimted economic power. (See: Standard Oil and the history of that period.)
If the right to copy and distribute Intellectual Property (IP) could be cleared by a single authority - that authority would have a monopoly and thus, unlimited power to control prices and distribution. They could favor certain parties while blacklisting others and totally control the economy of IP.
Therefore, in the USA if you intend to produce a compilation of IP works you must get the permissison or clearance of each individual rights holder including the authors, publishers, and/or any exlcusively licensed distributors. Thus, your inability to buy a HD full of music has more to do with anti-trust law than it does copyrights.
The USA is historically the largest supplier of IP. Therefore, in a country like CANADA where much of the rights originate outside the borders, it is much easier to negotiate internationally as a singular entity and then manage those rights nationally within the country through a singular agency - hence the AVLA.
You could buy a HD full of licensed music - however, in the USA it would be very expensive (imagine the entire Promo Only back catalog on a single hard drive.) Licenses are often "time sensitive," hence a record pool for example, may produce a disc and when the supply runs out - that's it, they distribute those tracks no more and pay no further license fees.
The only source of legitimately licensed HDs filled with music in the USA that I know of is the jukebox industry.
You can on the other hand, legitimately create your own HD full of music from any selections you already own. If you transfer ownership of a selection - your rights to that selection are also transferred -and it should also be taken off your HD.
The "gray area" is where you simply decide you like the hard drive better, and dump the originals in a land-fill or incinerator. Since you have not transferred the rights you acquired at the time of purchase - it does not follow that you must also purge the hard drive copy. Most people agree however, that you lose the right to transfer the hard drive to someone esle since it no longer carries the trademarks of the original license.
So, while you are free to enjoy your hard drive - the right of resale only resides in the licensed and tradermarked original.
I never left. Still 100% CD and going strong. I'm not against progress, and not against Computers....But I have learned over 30 yrs of operating OS's that there are two kinds, those that have not failed, and those that will eventually fail. Murphy states that whatever can go wrong will.
Anytime Mr Gates is involved, that risk doubles.
With my luck it would blow up on me mid gig.
My preferences are to never deal with that stuff. At least it's simple with CDs.
Anytime Mr Gates is involved, that risk doubles.
With my luck it would blow up on me mid gig.
My preferences are to never deal with that stuff. At least it's simple with CDs.
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I disagree. I don't have many grand assumptions. My assumption is that people that are doing the wrong thing know very well that what they are doing is wrong. They either don't care or they are simply looking for a way to justify it.
For me, I've had one computer failure in the last 7 years of using laptops at events.
when I was using cds, I had cds skip, doors jam, lasers go bad, etc ect...on a regular basis.
for me, computers have dropped the equipment failure rate by thousands of %.
All while making things much simpler. The only complication seems to come from people. The computers are pretty simple.
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What I wrote was "Your post makes a very grand assumption" but I apologize for any misunderstanding.
and on that you'll get no disagreement from me.
I believe you make a grand assumption as well Rox...
I believe the majority of humans would rather be legit, than not legit. Ethical, versus non-ethical.
Some people have been lazy, stealing and unethical since the dawn of mankind -- there's just more of them now (because there are more people), and the media is faster to make light of it.
I'd wager a bet, that the same percentage of unethical humans exists today, as in the beginning. As opposed to some (who think they are holier than thou), would suggest...
I believe you make a grand assumption as well Rox...
I believe the majority of humans would rather be legit, than not legit. Ethical, versus non-ethical.
Some people have been lazy, stealing and unethical since the dawn of mankind -- there's just more of them now (because there are more people), and the media is faster to make light of it.
I'd wager a bet, that the same percentage of unethical humans exists today, as in the beginning. As opposed to some (who think they are holier than thou), would suggest...
And I believe there would be alot more legit if the process was easier
Interesting thing I've found in my decades in this business Jeff...
Many will try to get into the business with the least amount of effort. It's a bit easier now because of the internet, but the results are still the same.
Those who can make the grade will become legit, as it's worth their effort in the long run. Those that don't make the grade, fall by the wayside.
I don't see it any different than say a general contractor, or auto mechanic... Many people jump in with a few borrowed tools, do a few crummy jobs, then go elsewhere. Those with the talent and perseverance will hang in there, buy their own quality tools, and excel at what they do...
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Well I don't find anything difficult about it I am legal....At least by the common standard I'm not really sure if anyone is legal to the letter of the law. I'm not sure anyone knows what legal is and there stands my point
Legal is ambiguous -- why would you care...?
There is no such thing as "letter of the law". Anything can be interpreted differently, by different humans. Court judgments are just that -- a judgment made at a particular point in time, by a particular group of humans, with no absolute as to predictable value for the future.
Let it go Jeff -- concentrate on quantum physics and bowling, and why we are here -- it's much more interesting...