Got a call from a new venue that wants to do karaoke and I have a bad suspicion these guys won't ride it out. Any help is appreciated.
Bar & Club would someone be willing to share his/her bar/club contract?
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You don't need an attorney. You simply need to know exactly what it is you WANT.
The place to express those wants is at the NEGOTIATION and your contract is a summary of all that you agreed too. There is nothing in anyone's contract that will help you if you fail to DISCLOSE and NEGOTAITE those things first.
A contract is not a substitue for the sales process, it is the result.
The place to express those wants is at the NEGOTIATION and your contract is a summary of all that you agreed too. There is nothing in anyone's contract that will help you if you fail to DISCLOSE and NEGOTAITE those things first.
A contract is not a substitue for the sales process, it is the result.
Famous last words.
File that next to "You don't need stay with me during the play, go have a seat downstairs."
"Thank You, Mr. Lincoln."
He did asked about a contract and not sales guidance and no amount of salesmanship will provide the legal protection that a professionally crafted contract will.
Sadly, a contract, to any shady disreputable club owner/manager is typically treated with the same reverence as Kleenex during flu season. But I'd rather have a legit contract if/when any battles arise.
Good Luck, hire competent legal counsel.
I just finished up a deal with a guy I have known for 30 years, my fault kick me in butt no contract shake hands, his had **** on it,,,
contract please
contract please
I use my standard event contract. If it's getting paid you are worried about tell them you collect up front that is my standard procedure with any bar gig these days. Mind you I don't do many bar gigs
I did two four year stints with two clubs, several clubs last year and this year all without a contract. As a matter of fact, none of my Club gigs ever included a contract. Never been burned once! In Texas your word is worth more than what is written on a piece of paper. Also in Texas, verbal agreements can stand up in Court, especially if you have a witness.
In the decades that I've been hosting Karaoke, I have found one thing to hold true: While contracts are a neccesity for private events, they are not only worthless for bar venues, but can be detrimental.
When I start a new venue, I negotiate a 6 week minimum run. If I can build a show ( Just being humble ;->)then we both want to continue and do so. If, for some reason I can't, then we move on to other things.
Let's say you work up a contract, and the venue owner breaks it. What reasonable damages could you really expect to collect, and would it be worth a court fight? Here in NJ, Small Claims courts have no juice anyway, and enforcement is an issue. The only thing you may get out of the fight is bad word of mouth.
Also, let's say that the show is successful, but you really aren't happy with the venue, yet are honorable and can't break the contract? You're stuck.
Nope, I'd negotiate, then let your hosting skills be what keeps you there.
ON THE OTHER HAND: I do make them sign liability agreements. If a drunken patron trashes my equipment, I don't want to be the one to pay for it ( this agreement excludes microphones, because by handing them out the host is already aware of the risks).
Hope this helps.
When I start a new venue, I negotiate a 6 week minimum run. If I can build a show ( Just being humble ;->)then we both want to continue and do so. If, for some reason I can't, then we move on to other things.
Let's say you work up a contract, and the venue owner breaks it. What reasonable damages could you really expect to collect, and would it be worth a court fight? Here in NJ, Small Claims courts have no juice anyway, and enforcement is an issue. The only thing you may get out of the fight is bad word of mouth.
Also, let's say that the show is successful, but you really aren't happy with the venue, yet are honorable and can't break the contract? You're stuck.
Nope, I'd negotiate, then let your hosting skills be what keeps you there.
ON THE OTHER HAND: I do make them sign liability agreements. If a drunken patron trashes my equipment, I don't want to be the one to pay for it ( this agreement excludes microphones, because by handing them out the host is already aware of the risks).
Hope this helps.
I have been working in this one bar for about 2 years. The owner is a friend of a friend and we have had 3 serious issues, but have worked them out in the end. The last one, was when popular singer in the bar broke my mic stand, I spoke with the singer and he offered to pay, but just to be safe I asked my friend not to make sure I know when he closes his tab so I can get paid before he leaves. I told the owner that if the patron does not pay I expect him too. He started a long spiel about how I should consider the broken stand a cost of business. I told him any of my equipment that breaks as a result of its intended use I do consider cost of business and replace; but when the singer decides to pick up the mic stand and start dancing around with it, falls and breaks the stand, that is not how a mic stand is intended to be used therefore no cost of business. I told him my other options could be to get a deposit from him each night before I start, or ask each singer for a deposit while they are using the equipment, I think he finally got my point.
I have just gotten burnt for the last time! Contracts is my only way of business from now on! I have been burnt on over $3500 in bookings in my 6 years of operations! In Minnesota you should be able to take a verbal agreement....however...with no proper proof..you pretty much have nothing to stand on. I have just had my contracts updated..and they are in the printing stage right now. Carbon copies all the way! The whole "You trust me, I trust you" thing...does work to a certain point.....but make sure you protect your butt if you want to be a legit operator.
When I first created my contracts......I had an attorney look it over...basically he took out all the garbage, and modified a few sentences since it was a two page contract. He also made sure I had a spot for initials on both pages to ensure that both copies have been acknowledged.
I have now been lucky enough to get down to a single page copy, and that is where we are at!
Ughh! Ya...contracts all the way.
When I first created my contracts......I had an attorney look it over...basically he took out all the garbage, and modified a few sentences since it was a two page contract. He also made sure I had a spot for initials on both pages to ensure that both copies have been acknowledged.
I have now been lucky enough to get down to a single page copy, and that is where we are at!
Ughh! Ya...contracts all the way.