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In deference to Canute, one must use outboard processing when managing live sound. Sophisticated outboard processing probably isn't necessary for most DJs using active systems. Pre-recorded music doesn't need much processing, if any.

In the case of a passive FOH rig that's bi- or tri-amped, you've got to have some outboard processing, even if said processing consists of an EQ only.

Remember, a microphone is live sound. Any time a mic is in use, a certain amount of processing will kill feedback and improve your mic tone at the same time. :)
 
Update On Post #1

I was just told that the Production on Sunday night has been cancelled by the Club Owner. The only successful one is the one they do on Saturdays where the Sound supplier uses a full system similar to mine but with newer speakers such as JBL Vertecs and 2 Pairs of JBL SRX 728s all powered by itech amps. Its a big difference in sound to what was there on Sunday and the other nights that failed. I missed out on the opportunity to supply sound for that Production on Saturdays because I was in Boston earlier this year when they started it. The other promoters are too cheap to spend money on hiring good sound so they don't last.
In some cases, the public does know the difference.
 
Fred Wright said:
Pre-recorded music doesn't need much processing, if any.
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Fred,
I'll disagree with you on this one ;) some of the newer stuff seems to have been mixed and processed by deaf monkeys.
 
DJ SVO said:
Fred,
I'll disagree with you on this one ;) some of the newer stuff seems to have been mixed and processed by deaf monkeys.
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Yup... it's the old joke:

Record producer thinks the studio engineer is making too much money so he tells the engineer "All you do is fiddle with sliders and push the Record button. I can train a chimpanzee to do that."

And that, my friends is why so much of today's music sounds the way it does. :D
 
ahoustondj said:
A lot of them do not treat DJing as a business, to them it is a Hobby and even then, they don't do it right. There It pisses me off when they use the excuse that I or others don't need processing etc. Why on earth do I want to sound like just another DJ?
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I'm confused....
if you are talking about DJing, then it CAN be done with no processing. A simple BASS, MID, HIGH adjusment can be enough...
are you confusing DJing with live sound.?

ahoustondj said:
Try running 4 corded mics, 2 Wireless mikes, a keyboard, a floor monitor and a three way system with separate tweeters & amps, separate midrange and amps and separate bass bins and amps without processing and see how far that will get you..
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you know as well as anyone that they are APPLES and ORANGES
and no one could amplify an entire live band with powered DJ speakers and no processing

don't try to answer one argument by using the other as your example

ahoustondj said:
All I am saying is that with Laptops, powered speakers etc it just makes it easier for the wrong people to get into this business for the wrong reasons.
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the same could be said about... CD's or cassettes
I started with cassettes. it made it easier for me to get into the biz when everyone else was using LP's
and when CD's arrived on the scene
I'm sure it allowed many new DJ's to get into the business
(perhaps many who are well respected and ON this very site...)

yeah, the kids these days have it easier than we did.
and we had it easier than the guys before us...
 
Yep - carryin' them stone LP's back in the day was horrid. We were darn lucky to carry what we did on the donkey.

:)
 
Ausumm said:
I'm confused....
if you are talking about DJing, then it CAN be done with no processing. A simple BASS, MID, HIGH adjusment can be enough...
are you confusing DJing with live sound.? Any Sound System will have similar basic audio challenges from one venue to another. No one system can automatically adjust to these challenges by itself. If you want to put on a song and have the speaker system reproduce it, this is what would happen. If you want to have the best reproduction possible, then you may have to tweak it by using processors.



you know as well as anyone that they are APPLES and ORANGES
and no one could amplify an entire live band with powered DJ speakers and no processing

don't try to answer one argument by using the other as your example

DJ systems and live sound systems both operate on the same Audio Principles. For example, comb filtering can occur no matter what speakers are being used if the placement is incorrect. The difference between a regular DJ System and a Live Sound System is basically the size. For example, take two cars, one with a four cylinder engine and the other with an 8 cylinder..they can both do the same thing namely take you from Point A to Point B. However, I am sure you will agree that one is superior to the other as far as power. If one is happy with the teeny high pitched sounds that are emitted by regular DJ speakers then thats fine. I prefer to have a more full bodied sound that you can only get from specialized speakers and processing equipment



the same could be said about... CD's or cassettes When Vinyl was King and hardware was the only option, you had to buy your own. Now music and software can be duplicated and copied illegally.
I started with cassettes. it made it easier for me to get into the biz when everyone else was using LP's
and when CD's arrived on the scene
I'm sure it allowed many new DJ's to get into the business
(perhaps many who are well respected and ON this very site...)

yeah, the kids these days have it easier than we did.
and we had it easier than the guys before us...
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Some answers are above in RED Lets face it, the majority of DJs out there are either Hobbyists or Part Timers for extra cash (Different from Part Timers as a Business). Only a smaller percentage does it to make a living, whether it is full time or as a serious Part Time Business.

The difference between the two is that any equipment purchases made by Hobbyists are viewed upon as costs. To a Business, that purchase is viewed upon as an Investment. Good Investments help to build a business and has a healthy ROI. Costs come with a limitation and ceiling. Thus you hear a lot of DJs saying things like "I am looking for cheap", "I don't want to spend a lot", "I can make do with the minimum", "My clients are happy with what I have" etc.
 
Canute ask Trini Dave aka DRZINC how my non processed kit sounded at a West Indian Wedding he went with me on. Maybe he can splice up a couple pieces of video to share he took at this event. Two White boys setup with a tiny two top and two Dyna Subs and he was our West Indian Security Photographer / Videographer and scratchmaster lol. Never had one instance of a guest saying can you give us more Bass. The other Dave business partner is whiter than me but more Trini than most as he taught a Trini girl to Dance Chutney. This crowd was shocked and were asking the bride and groom etc who are these guys. They arent Canadian they have to be from the Island.
 
Jon Tuck said:
Canute ask Trini Dave aka DRZINC how my non processed kit sounded at a West Indian Wedding he went with me on. Maybe he can splice up a couple pieces of video to share he took at this event. Two White boys setup with a tiny two top and two Dyna Subs and he was our West Indian Security Photographer / Videographer and scratchmaster lol. Never had one instance of a guest saying can you give us more Bass. The other Dave business partner is whiter than me but more Trini than most as he taught a Trini girl to Dance Chutney. This crowd was shocked and were asking the bride and groom etc who are these guys. They arent Canadian they have to be from the Island.
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You guys still don't get it do you? Y'all forget that the kind of Gigs that I do are much different to what the "Regular" DJs do! You all have mainly controlled gigs at venues where the volume levels are different (Lame) compared to Club settings. I never said that a system without processing will sound bad, what I have always stated is that with correct processing, it can and would sound better. You take a vocal reproduction (Recorded or Live) and it may sound fine. You then add reverberation to it and the whole dimension changes. Thats what I am talking about my friend.
 
ahoustondj said:
You guys still don't get it do you? Y'all forget that the kind of Gigs that I do are much different to what the "Regular" DJs do!
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Careful guys -- he's with SEAL Team 6... yorofl:
 
Canute Im betting my system could pass most club type tests in compare due to the Trini / Trini Test made more of a challenge having two white boys present such a system at a full blown West Indian throwdown. PAcked with Tasa, Chutney, Soca, Calypso, Old School Bump and current.
 
Jon Tuck said:
Canute Im betting my system could pass most club type tests
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I think you are talking about most clubs in YOUR area. This is Texas my friend, Houston Texas. Whereas it takes two JBL SRX 728s or my Four JBL Scoops to supply bass for the average club in which I play, show me what you have equal to that in the system that you normally use.

BTW You brought it up, not me.!:trirolleyes:
 
Well you have been in Toronto before right? You obviously havent seen the clubs here though I have seen pictures of what you have shared thus far and maybe bigger than some but nothing I havent seen here and others here much bigger. Most venues we play are bigger than many clubs around. Talk about venues this ara has the most banquet halls and venues than I have seen in my travels. OF course I havent been to Texas in such a capacity so I cant speak through experience but only via the pictures you shared 2 or 3 times this past yr or so.
 
Canute
your initial post talked about how lots of beginner DJ's use powered speakers with no processing.
just as I, and many others here, ran our passive rigs when WE started...
because we did not know about, or could not yet afford processing
Myself, I bought my first EQ just a few years ago

Now you are saying that these "non processed" systems would not work
in the halls you work at, doing the kinds of jobs you do.
again, you are changing the rules to make your point.

the beginner wannabe's you hate so much
are not doing your kinda gigs in your kinda venues.
they are doing small gigs in small halls, where their setup works good enough to get them started.
sooner or later, they will have to upgrade to better "stuff" (just as we did)
if they dont, they wont last long

BTW
I agree with the part about getting music easier (or illegally) these days
it does make it easier to get started...compared to buying (and hauling) boxes of LP's

but we cannot stop progress in technology...just because it pi**es us off!
 
Ausumm said:
Canute
your initial post talked about how lots of beginner DJ's use powered speakers with no processing. I have never condoned that practice.
just as I, and many others here, ran our passive rigs when WE started...
because we did not know about, or could not yet afford processing
Myself, I bought my first EQ just a few years ago

Now you are saying that these "non processed" systems would not work I have always stated that, not just for the halls where I work but for everywhere.
in the halls you work at, doing the kinds of jobs you do.
again, you are changing the rules to make your point. No I did not change the rules, I still find it funny that lots still do not use processing. They pass it off as "they don't need it" or "nobody can tell a difference" or "they are lightening their load".


the beginner wannabe's you hate so much
are not doing your kinda gigs in your kinda venues.
they are doing small gigs in small halls, where their setup works good enough to get them started.
sooner or later, they will have to upgrade to better "stuff" (just as we did)
if they dont, they wont last long

BTW
I agree with the part about getting music easier (or illegally) these days
it does make it easier to get started...compared to buying (and hauling) boxes of LP's

but we cannot stop progress in technology...just because it pi**es us off!
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See answers above in Red
BTW I do not hate beginners.
I strongly dislike wannabees for trying to start this business totally unprepared. Kinda like someone buying a cab to be a Taxi driver and having no back seat with the excuse that their clients can sit up front until they have money to buy a back seat.
 
Come on Canute and so if you say it then it must be true right? Ilove ya man but seriously so now your going to say my system sounds bad? Anyone elses for that matter? You havent heard it yet your intelligence allows you to speak of this without fail? I guess I will have to refund all my customers cause I have been fraudulent in delivering unsavory sound. Then again I dont use Island natural ailment and sickness methods nor waterless cooking Im damned across the board.
 
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