Weddings Brides wanting different/hard to find music

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Tony - I really like your highland serenade (I'm in Eastern Canada, where Celtic music is very popular) and serenade discs...bought both....Used it many times.....

Understand that DJ's for the most part are probably the chinziest bunch; yet they have no trouble charging $100 to play the 5th hour of a wedding reception...

Ain't that the truth! :sqrolleyes:

I have also use the Highland Serenade as we also have a lot of Scottish / Irish influence over here.
 
Thanks for understanding! This is a hobby/business for me as I am a full time teacher as well. If I was getting rich writing wedding music, I would not be teaching anymore. :sqlaugh:

Seriously, I'm glad you like my songs and am thankful that you have provided them to be used. I've tried to get T Carter Music into stores, but the big distributors (Wal-Mart, Target, & Best Buy) want 100,000 units for warehouse and I just can't provide that...:sqerr:

I don't have any piano only music, but plan to have Serenade recorded on just piano later next year. I hope to offer some new original songs as well. Check back from time to time.

Best,

Tony
 
Ain't that the truth! :sqrolleyes:

I have also use the Highland Serenade as we also have a lot of Scottish / Irish influence over here.


Side note: Highland Serenade features members of the Dixie Chicks, James Taylor's band, and the piano player for Garth Brooks. I wanted the best talent in the industry for my classical CDs and I got it! (not cheap though :sqeek:)
 
Thanks for understanding! This is a hobby/business for me as I am a full time teacher as well. If I was getting rich writing wedding music, I would not be teaching anymore. :sqlaugh:

Seriously, I'm glad you like my songs and am thankful that you have provided them to be used. I've tried to get T Carter Music into stores, but the big distributors (Wal-Mart, Target, & Best Buy) want 100,000 units for warehouse and I just can't provide that...:sqerr:

I don't have any piano only music, but plan to have Serenade recorded on just piano later next year. I hope to offer some new original songs as well. Check back from time to time.

Best,

Tony

Hey Tony...

Just had a bride ask me to use one of your songs a few weeks ago. Welcome to the board!!
 
Nor have I ever had any hassle with mine!

:sqwink:

It doesn't scare anybody, just let's them know what's what.

It just says:

1: We'll provide any "readily available" music or selections for your event provided we have at least X-amount of notice to round it up. (protects us/makes sure they have the music they want or need)

2. If requested music isn't "readily available," and there would be charges for getting it, we will communicate that with you and come to an agreement first... ie, we will never hit up the customer after the fact and say "OH.... BY THE WAY..." (protects the client from surprise charges)

3. If requested musics aren't available, we are not liable. (protects us)

4. We will gladly include any music YOU wish to provide in the performance at your event, as long as it is agreed we can't be held liable for the quality, "skipage" or otherwise, of music that isn't ours. (protects both us and the client)

That's it. The clause protects both the interests of the clients themselves, and us equally.

Nothing unreasonable or scary about it!

If they're scared by it, then they simply need to be educated about what is being said and about how the clauses protect their interests as much as ours. If that isn't sufficient, then the issue lies, as Aaron said above, with them. If anyone is scared off by clauses in a contract they can go elsewhere. I'm not going to dance around a standard agreement just because someone wants to try to keep a card to play in their back-pocket for later.

I had a client once who wanted me to, in addition to my contract, sign a agreement they had that they had drafted up as "standard" for all their vendors and it tried to specify what things would possibly effect my compensation after services were rendered.

I declined to do that, and referred her back to my contract, which is more than sufficient to cover them and myself, and after we went through a few key points she conceded, and we went on to have a great event, and I got a glowing testimonial out of her!

If clauses in your contract are reasonable, all you have to do from there is education for the consumer and a focus on customer service, and it shouldn't be an issue.

To keep things in perspective, you want to talk about some SCARY clauses? When was the last time you actually READ the terms of any one of the major credit cards in your wallet? How many clauses do you think are in THERE for YOUR protection? People make MAJOR life decisions and purchases without even reading the fine-print... deciding to get "particular" with a dj service agreement in light of that is little less than absurd!

But it is precisely because life is absurd that fine print is needed at all!

ok you have all them fancy annoying clauses to say you cant get this or its not out or all them other reasons

what is wrong with just one simple quote...

"ALL MUSIC IS SUBJECT TO AVAILABILITY"

in 30+ years I have never had a problem if we can get it we will if its out we will if not then sorry not much ANYONE can do (unless you have the song)

so how easy is that BIG statement ....

simple and straight to the point!
 
The whole T carter music is terrible. I really suggest people pick something else when I see it on a music sheet.

Most times it's some grooms mother that thought it was a nice song. When I tell the groom how cheesy the songs are they generally change it.

I had a song this past year and I will have to look it up.


But to the point.


I have only not been able to find a song only twice in 12 years and people ask for some crazy songs.

The hardest ones to find can be fight songs by college marching bands.
 
If mainstream music wasn't so terrible and negative, more brides would be using what we subscribe to.

I like when they want eclectic stuff. I usually get introduced to stuff I would never have known about.
 
The whole T carter music is terrible. I really suggest people pick something else when I see it on a music sheet.

Most times it's some grooms mother that thought it was a nice song. When I tell the groom how cheesy the songs are they generally change it.

I had a song this past year and I will have to look it up.


But to the point.


I have only not been able to find a song only twice in 12 years and people ask for some crazy songs.

The hardest ones to find can be fight songs by college marching bands.


Cam - your attitude puzzles me.....Who are we to tell a bride or groom what music they should dance to?

Your hot/new music hit list is terrible :sqwink:
 
I would say most of my clients used great songs this past year for 1st dances, and most of the songs were newer.

I'd have to look to get exact songs but here are some artist:

Taylor Swift
Jack Johnson
Plain White T's
Dave Matthews
Michael Buble
Nickelback
Jason Mraz
Bobby Valentino
Usher


It's not telling them what to dance too, it's telling them if something is cheesy.
 
As to the selling the songs yourself for $10 a pop and putting them on Itunes. I think because of the price, people are not buying it. If you put it on Itunes and used every free means possible to let people know it is on there, you probably would make as much money if not more.

The Bride I had that has the CD asked me if I wanted to copy it. I don't have the means to do that at my show but I won't lie, it would have been tempting to do if I had the means.

I did not want to spend $10 on the song and suggested to her to get it with the keepsake case. It all worked out because she bought it herself but if it comes up again, I a going to get them to buy it themselves.
 
I would say most of my clients used great songs this past year for 1st dances, and most of the songs were newer.

I'd have to look to get exact songs but here are some artist:

Taylor Swift
Jack Johnson
Plain White T's
Dave Matthews
Michael Buble
Nickelback
Jason Mraz
Bobby Valentino
Usher


It's not telling them what to dance too, it's telling them if something is cheesy.


1. Is that your place?

2. Maybe they like cheesy?

I say this because I am sure you could lose prospective clients if they are sensitive.
 
As to the selling the songs yourself for $10 a pop and putting them on Itunes. I think because of the price, people are not buying it. If you put it on Itunes and used every free means possible to let people know it is on there, you probably would make as much money if not more.

The Bride I had that has the CD asked me if I wanted to copy it. I don't have the means to do that at my show but I won't lie, it would have been tempting to do if I had the means.

I did not want to spend $10 on the song and suggested to her to get it with the keepsake case. It all worked out because she bought it herself but if it comes up again, I a going to get them to buy it themselves.

Do you upsell lighting? If so, how many times has you're light paid for itself. I don't understand charging 700- 1000 for a wedding and not wanting/willing to invest 20-30 buck in music....Isn't it a write off anyway?
 
Do you upsell lighting? If so, how many times has you're light paid for itself. I don't understand charging 700- 1000 for a wedding and not wanting/willing to invest 20-30 buck in music....Isn't it a write off anyway?

Nope, don't upsell anything. You get what I got for my price. As to a write off, people always use that as a reason to buy anything. Why do companies cut spending if it is a write off? Why do they lay people off if the money they pay them is a write off?

Do you look for deals on items? Why, it is a write off?

I already spend $50 a month on music every month. I don't want to spend $10 on 1 song I might use once. Even if it is a write off. Cash flow. I know $10 isn't that big of deal with cash flow but it all adds up.

If you want to spend $10-$20 on music go ahead.
 
As to the selling the songs yourself for $10 a pop and putting them on Itunes. I think because of the price, people are not buying it. If you put it on Itunes and used every free means possible to let people know it is on there, you probably would make as much money if not more.

The Bride I had that has the CD asked me if I wanted to copy it. I don't have the means to do that at my show but I won't lie, it would have been tempting to do if I had the means.

I did not want to spend $10 on the song and suggested to her to get it with the keepsake case. It all worked out because she bought it herself but if it comes up again, I a going to get them to buy it themselves.

I'll look you up sometime for business advice. Sounds like you know a lot about independent music companies. :sqrolleyes:
 
I'll look you up sometime for business advice. Sounds like you know a lot about independent music companies. :sqrolleyes:

I was just stating my opinion. Didn't mean to offend.

I thought if you Let I tunes do the work and you collect the money that it would be an easier way for you to do it. Saves time. My mistake.

I just think $10 is too much for 1 song. Others must not.
 
The whole T carter music is terrible. I really suggest people pick something else when I see it on a music sheet.

I'm thankful and blessed to have written the songs I have. The positive testimonies I receive daily are motivation for me to keep doing what I do. If you feel the need to suggest other songs to your clients, by all means do so. :sqrolleyes:
 
I was just stating my opinion. Didn't mean to offend.

I thought if you Let I tunes do the work and you collect the money that it would be an easier way for you to do it. Saves time. My mistake.

I just think $10 is too much for 1 song. Others must not.

No offense taken...I agree to an extent. $10 is a lot for one song, but my product is for those who are looking for something that has not been played at a million other weddings...It's not a "get rich" scheme. Trust me, I wouldn't still be a full time school teacher if I were getting rich doing this.

Here is the independent label cost example per song:

Song Recording - $5,000
Mastering - $500
Pressing for 500 CDs - $1,500
Artwork - $500
Advertising - $2,500
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Total: $10,000 before the first copy is even sold. This does not include any web operating cost or other operating costs that generally cost me almost $2,000 per month.

Itunes gives an artist cut of .67 per song sold. At this rate, it takes independent artists a couple of years to earn their investment back. Since I'm an independent label, nobody has ever heard of T Carter Music. Therefore, nobody will ever go looking on Itunes for my music. If I sold my music on Itunes, I would not be able to afford to run this business or ever write/produce another song. There would be no profit.
 
I'll look you up sometime for business advice. Sounds like you know a lot about independent music companies. :sqrolleyes:

Since you brought it up, can you explain more about the business model? While I'm aware of perfomers who do not participate with itunes, I'm honestly not aware of a successful small label that sells music at your pricing.

To put it in "layman's" terms: why SHOULD someone play (up to) ten times the "typical cost" for a special song? Be aware that there are those here who apsire to be worth more than the "typical cost" for a D.J., so perhaps your answer might help us with ours, when potential clients ask us a similar question.

No flaming (at least from me). Just an honest question, looking for some insight, and discussion, to reach a better understanding.