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School & Teen Events Looking to venture a bit more into school bookings next fall....
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Thanks Guys!!
Details on my lighted facade can be found here:
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The red and blue lights were Rain56's hanging on my verticals.
4 HPR181i's is as much bass as anyone can handle too. Last year I brought 4 to a show, and the venue actually made me remove one of them and take it and put it back in the truck because they feared it could cause a safety hazzard in the ballroom.
How did you hook up the remaining three, series or parallel? Two on one channel and one on the other or was it a bridged amp with all in parallel?
2 Pyle Pro PADH152's Non-powered (Used less than 5 hours)
2 Pyle Pro PASW15's Non-powered (Used less than 5 hours)
2 Pyle Pro PPA300 3000W Amps (Used less than 5 hours)
Could I do anything with these?
2 Pyle Pro PASW15's Non-powered (Used less than 5 hours)
2 Pyle Pro PPA300 3000W Amps (Used less than 5 hours)
Could I do anything with these?
Adam, No........................ You need to bone up on gear and atleast know the lesser of the evils. If your looking for the deal of the lifetime steal it. whats the rate on the set? I wouldnt use these outside my garage. I dont even have a garage so figure that out.
I own this crap already...thats why I was hoping I could make some improvements and maybe use the amps or anything!
:sqconfused: Adam, I am totally confused! From your earlier post here last year I need some thump..some boom boom boom! - Our DJ Talk - DJ Help and Resources Chat! You mentioned ownership and new purchases of gear. Now it is something new that you want to sell. Whats up with all dat? Give us the full story.
Bought those speakers last spring new from a guy who deals with that kind of gear..mainly as a bar setup.
Used it for one gig, and it has all sat since.
I was up to 5 systems, and am completely satisfied with focusing on two setups until there is more than enough demand for three.
So these speakers are in lingo right now.
No intentions to use them anytime soon.
I dont have the immediate cash to purchase a full on system.
And the other Boom, Boom, Boom thread was meant to be used with either my Mackie 1530s or the SRM450s.
My 1501s as found out this winter, need some TLC. I called a place today and they said they would check em out for $25 and they think its nothing major, and if it is...they would be worth fixing. (AS OF NOW)
So...I being somewhat broke...and only to come up with a certain amount of cash...I am limited to what I can do at this point.
I have considered renting a subwoofer to get through my last two school bookings, but I will see a return in the next coming months if I just buy one.
Caught in the crossroads is where I am.
The Pyle Pro tops aint too shabby, but the 15" bottoms to me, need some improvement. We were initially going for the 18"s but last spring we would have never gotten the speaker in time for the function we were using it for.
Crossroads, crossroads...we all have em!
I ran them all with 2 channels- Left and right channel into the first one from the driverack px and then link over both channels from the full range output into each following speaker.
I recommend what I have found to work great for smaller schools (200-400 kids) if this is the size of events you do. I use two Bose L1 Model 1's (elevated if needed) & eight B1 bass modules. I've done school dances with up to 400 kids with this system & I wouldn't hesitate to do one with 500 kids.
This system sounds amazing, is compact & light weight (nothing weighs in at over 35 pounds) & can fit in the back of a mini van. It also sounds better in a gym environment than tradition PA speakers because it produces very little reverb/echo. This is due to it's unique design in which it doesn't shoot sound upward.
As for the bass the eight B1's deliver plenty of low end & I've never had a complaint. I've never been told to turn them down or up by anyone. They always deliver balanced sound that has us getting compliments from all those who hear it.
I've been DJing for 15 years & I just wish I would have had these years ago. Before this system overkill was my middle name, but now it's Bose.
This system is a bit pricey, I paid $7000.00 for mine (two L1 Model 1's- eight B1's- two Packlites amps + shipping) a year ago. It's the best investment that I've made since I started my business. I'd recommend this system to any DJ for doing shows of up to 500 guests.
Look in to it, it might be right for you (my back has been thanking me ever since I got it
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To see a vid of my DJ system on my Youtube channel click here (this is before the dance started) http://www.youtube.com/user/DJJDBass#p/u/23/6s9MRQfRmig
To see more vids of how the dance turned out , type in "homecoming 2010" in the search bar of my Youtube channel. These vids are of a recent school dance I did with my new system/setup & new DMX light show.
Here's a crazy one Sandstorm at the same event---> http://www.youtube.com/user/DJJDBass#p/u/7/szTSMHXSbuE
This system sounds amazing, is compact & light weight (nothing weighs in at over 35 pounds) & can fit in the back of a mini van. It also sounds better in a gym environment than tradition PA speakers because it produces very little reverb/echo. This is due to it's unique design in which it doesn't shoot sound upward.
As for the bass the eight B1's deliver plenty of low end & I've never had a complaint. I've never been told to turn them down or up by anyone. They always deliver balanced sound that has us getting compliments from all those who hear it.
I've been DJing for 15 years & I just wish I would have had these years ago. Before this system overkill was my middle name, but now it's Bose.
This system is a bit pricey, I paid $7000.00 for mine (two L1 Model 1's- eight B1's- two Packlites amps + shipping) a year ago. It's the best investment that I've made since I started my business. I'd recommend this system to any DJ for doing shows of up to 500 guests.
Look in to it, it might be right for you (my back has been thanking me ever since I got it
.To see a vid of my DJ system on my Youtube channel click here (this is before the dance started) http://www.youtube.com/user/DJJDBass#p/u/23/6s9MRQfRmig
To see more vids of how the dance turned out , type in "homecoming 2010" in the search bar of my Youtube channel. These vids are of a recent school dance I did with my new system/setup & new DMX light show.
Here's a crazy one Sandstorm at the same event---> http://www.youtube.com/user/DJJDBass#p/u/7/szTSMHXSbuE
I recommend what I have found to work great for smaller schools (200-400 kids) if this is the size of events you do. I use two Bose L1 Model 1's (elevated if needed) & eight B1 bass modules. I've done school dances with up to 400 kids with this system & I wouldn't hesitate to do one with 500 kids.
This system sounds amazing, is compact & light weight (nothing weighs in at over 35 pounds) & can fit in the back of a mini van. It also sounds better in a gym environment than tradition PA speakers because it produces very little reverb/echo. This is due to it's unique design in which it doesn't shoot sound upward.
As for the bass the eight B1's deliver plenty of low end & I've never had a complaint. I've never been told to turn them down or up by anyone. They always deliver balanced sound that has us getting compliments from all those who hear it.
I've been DJing for 15 years & I just wish I would have had these years ago. Before this system overkill was my middle name, but now it's Bose.
This system is a bit pricey, I paid $7000.00 for mine (two L1 Model 1's- eight B1's- two Packlites amps + shipping) a year ago. It's the best investment that I've made since I started my business. I'd recommend this system to any DJ for doing shows of up to 500 guests.
Look in to it, it might be right for you (my back has been thanking me ever since I got it
To see a vid of my DJ system on my Youtube channel click here (this is before the dance started) http://www.youtube.com/user/DJJDBass#p/u/23/6s9MRQfRmig
To see more vids of how the dance turned out , type in "homecoming 2010" in the search bar of my Youtube channel. These vids are of a recent school dance I did with my new system/setup & new DMX light show.
Here's a crazy one Sandstorm at the same event---> http://www.youtube.com/user/DJJDBass#p/u/7/szTSMHXSbuE
What posessed you to buy 8 Bose bass bins? I'm not knocking the system, i think it sounds amazing for weddings and live reproduction, but I couldn't ever see myself using a full bose rig for school shows. No matter how you tune it, the B1s will never give you "thump" like school crowds expect, it's simply not possible. Sure they create balanced sound and I'd imagine the system sounds pretty sweet, but it's got to be lacking the deep, chest hits found from nice solid wood bass bins.
Instead of buying a bunch of bass bins....
I am sure I could spend a few more dollars to get the desired thump I was thinking.
I think two tops will sound sweet as heck!
Well I for one am in agreement with everyone else as regards to sound for youth type events...
I love my Bose, but I have never operated under the illusion that they would be the proper system for every kind of event. Which is why I've been reluctant to market heavily to schools and other events where the noise level would be considerably higher than your typical wedding.
I'm not saying that Bose wouldn't do a good job and sound fantastic, what I'm saying is it's not the sound a crowd like that is expecting.
Well it works & works well. As for it being "not the sound that they expected"- that's not what the kids are saying as they are dance all night long! Like I said this system IMO is perfect for any event with a guest list of up to 400- including school dances. Plus as an added bonus because of the lack of reverb/muddy sound that this system produces- their favorite songs will song much better as the will be able to understand the lyrics of these said songs with out having to go deaf in the process.
The eight B1's when put all together that does give you some "thump in the chest feel" you talk about, but doesn't get the teachers after you to unhook stuff or turn it down.
A little over a year ago I was just like you guys I had a 10,000 watt JBL MRX tops/SRX subs system. I was running four MRX 512 tops & four SRX 718s with a DBX Driverack & off two QSC PLX 1602 amps for the tops & two QSC PLX 3402 amps for the subs. This system was loud, but in a big gymnasium sounded muddy because of the reverb it produced. I thought the my JBL/QSC system I had was the ultimate for school dances, until I hooked it all up in a gym & was VERY disappointed in what I heard. This was the beginning of my search that ended when I heard the Bose L1 system in person. With in a month I had my old system sold & had some small boxes labeled "Bose" headed to my house. I will NEVER use a traditional PA system again. The L1 system is amazing & 1,000,000,000 times better than my old set up in every way! It took me three years to buy my old system & it only took a few seconds of hearing the L1 to say I want that & I want my clients to have that too.
The eight B1's when put all together that does give you some "thump in the chest feel" you talk about, but doesn't get the teachers after you to unhook stuff or turn it down.
A little over a year ago I was just like you guys I had a 10,000 watt JBL MRX tops/SRX subs system. I was running four MRX 512 tops & four SRX 718s with a DBX Driverack & off two QSC PLX 1602 amps for the tops & two QSC PLX 3402 amps for the subs. This system was loud, but in a big gymnasium sounded muddy because of the reverb it produced. I thought the my JBL/QSC system I had was the ultimate for school dances, until I hooked it all up in a gym & was VERY disappointed in what I heard. This was the beginning of my search that ended when I heard the Bose L1 system in person. With in a month I had my old system sold & had some small boxes labeled "Bose" headed to my house
. I will NEVER use a traditional PA system again. The L1 system is amazing & 1,000,000,000 times better than my old set up in every way! It took me three years to buy my old system & it only took a few seconds of hearing the L1 to say I want that & I want my clients to have that too.Oh to answer the question "what possessed me to buy eight bass bin?" Well I am DJ JD Bass- & have always been a big fan of the boom. At my gigs I was always asked or told to "turn down the bass". This got very annoying especially because I would take it personally- like what this old lady possibly know about "high quality" sound reproduction??? Well it was making her uncomfortable & that's all she needed to know to have her come over to me & request a change of low tone output downward.
When I do weddings I only use four B1's, but when I do schools (where I'll be playing a bunch of hip-hop & dance music) I'll bring out the other four- which makes a huge difference. I too want to give the kids more of a club feel, but I don't want to have to hurt their ears & anger the teachers to do it. Like I said this system has it's limitations. I've performed at school dances with a guest list of 400 with great success & If given the opportunity to DJ a school dance of 500 I'd do it. I'm confident that the system would stand up to the challenge. Over 500 by much might be pushing it. If I did dances regularly of say 600 kids & up I be getting two more L1's & eight more B1's & a trailer!
When I do weddings I only use four B1's, but when I do schools (where I'll be playing a bunch of hip-hop & dance music) I'll bring out the other four- which makes a huge difference. I too want to give the kids more of a club feel, but I don't want to have to hurt their ears & anger the teachers to do it. Like I said this system has it's limitations. I've performed at school dances with a guest list of 400 with great success & If given the opportunity to DJ a school dance of 500 I'd do it. I'm confident that the system would stand up to the challenge. Over 500 by much might be pushing it. If I did dances regularly of say 600 kids & up I be getting two more L1's & eight more B1's & a trailer
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I think that if you have the right rig, you can rock any party. I've always preferred passive speakers for the sake of extra oomph and the fact that I've found that I don't need as many speakers as I would with a powered rig.
When I was DJing for one of the campus mobile rigs, we used the following:
2 18" bass bins
2 dual-15" for mids
2 12" for highs
These were all B-52 passive speakers. (I don't recall which series.) It was a nice tri-amped system that could rattle windows a block away. I remember how I could feel the bass in my feet and in my chest. We had a pair of Denon DN-S5000 CD turntables and a wonderful new Denon X1500 mixer.
Okay, I'm getting warm fuzzies now and I'm longing to be able to play on that system again. It's been almost 5 years and I still miss rocking college parties on that rig.
I'll be back...I need a moment. :yoSob:
When I was DJing for one of the campus mobile rigs, we used the following:
2 18" bass bins
2 dual-15" for mids
2 12" for highs
These were all B-52 passive speakers. (I don't recall which series.) It was a nice tri-amped system that could rattle windows a block away. I remember how I could feel the bass in my feet and in my chest. We had a pair of Denon DN-S5000 CD turntables and a wonderful new Denon X1500 mixer.
Okay, I'm getting warm fuzzies now and I'm longing to be able to play on that system again. It's been almost 5 years and I still miss rocking college parties on that rig.
I'll be back...I need a moment. :yoSob:
The kids we mentor on campus right now use 2 Cerwin Vega folded horns for their subs...even at 20 years old those things still rattle the place.
4 HPR181i's is as much bass as anyone can handle too. Last year I brought 4 to a show, and the venue actually made me remove one of them and take it and put it back in the truck because they feared it could cause a safety hazzard in the ballroom.
Impressive looking for sure but what a phasing nightmare! Nix those little piggy-back tops or place them upside down on the bigger ones. Also, splay the outside tops so they don't overlap freq's with the inner ones. Great job on coupling the subs, must of really thumped!
I find my TX 18's thump plenty for the school dances. I don't think my heart could handle 4 of them running at the same time!
But, along with having a great sound, you MUST have the music that they want to hear....the latest and greatest coming out and popular to your area.
Much better! Very clean set-up and the subs are spaced far enough apart to eliminate any power alley issues.
Now for my input on a school set-up. An EV system was mentioned earlier and EV rocks! But... Don't go in with a single amp cause you're asking for trouble. Carolina has 3 or 4 active subs, so if one goes down at a school dance, his system will keep chugging away.
I'm not saying they all have to be powered, here's my take on subs.
Two active - Good
One active with one slave - Bad
Two active with two slaves - Good
Two passive with one amp - Bad
Two passive with two amps - Good
Four passive with two amps - Good
I hope that makes sense.
A very good friend of mine who just does school dances, corporate events, etc. Has this system...It rocks (He does not do weddings....)
He uses 4 of these http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=TRX153N
and 2 of these: http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=TRX218N
They are powered by:
4 of these in BridgeD Mono http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=DCM1540L and 2 of these in Bridged Mono http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=DCM3000L
I can tell you WOW! The power is beyond immense and the claity is pretty bad azz.
5600W of continuos power. This guy is very good at what he does and since I only do weddings and he does everything else.... I believe this cost him around $7000. I will see if he can get me some pics for you
He uses 4 of these http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=TRX153N
and 2 of these: http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=TRX218N
They are powered by:
4 of these in BridgeD Mono http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=DCM1540L and 2 of these in Bridged Mono http://www.carvinguitars.com/products/single.php?product=DCM3000L
I can tell you WOW! The power is beyond immense and the claity is pretty bad azz.
5600W of continuos power. This guy is very good at what he does and since I only do weddings and he does everything else.... I believe this cost him around $7000. I will see if he can get me some pics for you
You know, theres always a ton of talk about phasing issues and whatnot, but I for one just don't hear it. Granted the 10" Eons were pretty stupid...I'll give you that. But I had just bought them and we all know when we buy new gear it MUST be used at the very next show in some way or another. The sound in that room was actually very clean. I walked the dancefloor prior to guest arrival and during the event and never noticed the first bit of phasing.
As for the Bose comments. I respect your defense of the system, but theres no way a Bose system can match up to a well designed traditional sound system. A note- I'm not comparing this to my own system. What I'm saying is that, while you paid to purchase 8 B1 units, you may be getting balanced low end but it's nothing like what you'll get with a set of 4 nice 18" subs. Sure the kids dance, that's what they do! When I was a freshman we had crappy DJs at all our school events and we didn't stand around and comment on the DJ's gear, we made the best of it. Fast forward 3 years to my senior year when I had 2 years of taking over under my belt, bringing in powerful, bass-equipped sound systems and the kids DID talk about the difference in the sound.
I think Bose makes a great little system, but it doesn't belong at a school dance. Rob Green, a member on another forum (possibly this one too idk) is a big time school guy. There was actually a thread within the past 2 days where he had used a pair of L1 sticks for a small school dance of 300 kids with 2 of his dual 18" SRX subs and he commented on how quickly the L1 peaked out even when EQed and crossed over properly. Bottom line is, Bose produces quality sound for smaller venues, but the units just can't compete with high SPL cabinets designed for larger crowds.
As for the Bose comments. I respect your defense of the system, but theres no way a Bose system can match up to a well designed traditional sound system. A note- I'm not comparing this to my own system. What I'm saying is that, while you paid to purchase 8 B1 units, you may be getting balanced low end but it's nothing like what you'll get with a set of 4 nice 18" subs. Sure the kids dance, that's what they do! When I was a freshman we had crappy DJs at all our school events and we didn't stand around and comment on the DJ's gear, we made the best of it. Fast forward 3 years to my senior year when I had 2 years of taking over under my belt, bringing in powerful, bass-equipped sound systems and the kids DID talk about the difference in the sound.
I think Bose makes a great little system, but it doesn't belong at a school dance. Rob Green, a member on another forum (possibly this one too idk) is a big time school guy. There was actually a thread within the past 2 days where he had used a pair of L1 sticks for a small school dance of 300 kids with 2 of his dual 18" SRX subs and he commented on how quickly the L1 peaked out even when EQed and crossed over properly. Bottom line is, Bose produces quality sound for smaller venues, but the units just can't compete with high SPL cabinets designed for larger crowds.