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Yes, the do the data comparison in August.
By then all the refunds are out of course. But they do indeed come after people.

And the 'fraudulent' return figures your posting is from where?
Mis-statements on a return, identity theft, etc? What makes up those numbers?

Examples of Identity Theft Schemes - Fiscal Year 2014

get a list of SS#s and on jan 19 go file returns - make up all the info, get back up to $9k per return (eitc, etc) Not a problem.
Odds are you can get 80-90% of the refunds.
The IRS, if they catch you , may put you in jail for 20 years though. (they've done it to many others).

now, how do you want them to stop it? Ohio tried it the past 2 years...Income- Identity Quiz

and if you follow the directions it's not too terrible - but for many it's a nightmare. Bring in your ss#, photo id, birth certificates, a letter from your employer and a lot more - for everyone in your house. I had a PA resident that worked in ohio get the letter..threw it away. Turned out the ohio employer witheld ovrer $3500 in income tax which they shouldn't have done - it's owed to PA. The taxpayer had to prove their identity to get the money back to give to PA...which they hadn't been able to do before april 15..so now they've got penalties and interest from PA, had to pay for 2 tax returns to be done as well.

And the IRS does not sent out prepaid cards. The ONLY way to get your money from the IRS is a check to you or a direct deposit to a bank account. Period.
Now what my employer can do, does, (jackson hewitt) is an AR - assisted refund. Instead of paying our fee up front, we can take it from your refund. BUT the IRS is very very very rigid on the refund process - so what we must do is open a bank account in your name, the refund goes there, we get paid by the bank and then YOU decide what you want done wtih the balance due you - direct deposit to your bank account (and i'd say 20-30% of the, well, welfare crowd, don't have or can't get bank accounts AT ALL) so now what? they can't cash a big check..no bank account. Can't do direct deposit - no bank account.

So we issue them a prepaid card (visa last year, this year it's an amercian express 'serve' card). and the refund goes there. they can ATM or use it like a credit card.
OR they can get a check at our office - and cash it at walmart (since most walmarts have a jackson hewitt kiosk in them).
Or new thisyear - 'direct 2 cash' - the bank account mentioned above will send up to $7500 to the walmart money center and the taxpayer goes there with a pin number and picks up CASH.

And yes there are LOTS of things they don't pick up on - married or single - no way for them to know really.
And kids do come and go, dependents come and go, I see it all the time and it's legit most of the time.
MANY divorced people take turns claiming the kids for example.
Or a kid returns home to the nest and is now a dependent.

If no one will bother to staff the cash register at what point do you stop calling the patrons thieves?

It's the responsibility of the IRS and government agencies to prevent fraud and they simply don't bother. The #1 category of identity fraud is IRS tax fraud. The amount of fraudulent refunds paid by the IRS in the last 5 years already exceeds the cost of the entire second appropriation for the War in Iraq. 5 Billion dollars in a single year (2013) alone. That is projected to be $21 Billion in the year 2017.

The IRS receives over 50 million fraudulent returns each year yet, they don't bother to compare tax returns to the associated W2 or 1099 forms. They even send multiple refunds to the same PO Box addresses in the form of untraceable prepaid Credit cards! They also don't compare your present return to your last return to see if it's consistent. 1 child last year - 7 children this year, the computers don't see it and don't even look for it. What stands out is your mileage deduction - ooh! how unusual you commute 40 miles to work. Better audit that cheater. :)

You get the system you pay for and we pay dearly for this one.
 
Came across this today - Uncertain Tax Positions of 500 Public Companies

Anything you put on a 1040 is a 'statement'. Only if the IRS asks must you prove your 'statement'. If you are 'wrong' then you will probably owe the irs as your 'statement' was no doubt made in your own favor.

Many things the IRS does are open to interpretation, and CPAs and tax acc't and lawyers know this - and the above list is what by law, a company must set aside 'just in case' their statements differ from what the IRS says is the reality.

Look how much these companies are making 'aggressive statements' is the term..not cheating, not fraud, none of that. Just putting things on their tax forms that that SUSPECT won't be accepted by the IRS.

Hmm .. MS is at the top of that list.
 
the IRS is both a fiefdom and a puppet. They have some extreme powers (they can confiscate everything you own - no quesions asked. You must prove INNOCENCE, not them proving guilt, to get it back) and they are used as a tool of congressmen to get re-elected and businesses thru congress for all sorts of benefits.

Some things do change - this year we must get photo id, gov't issued, BEFORE we start the tax return. Up till last year we asked for it at the end ONLY if you were getting an AR - where a bank account was needed to take the refund to pay us.

I'm curious to see how this works out..not everyone has ID.
 
Hmmm, a price/pricing discussion in a disc jockey forum that will likely have no resolutive conclusion AND that, so far, does not include the predictably unavoidable story of related woes and strife from the annals of MIXMASTERMACHOM...

(grabbing popcorn and a beer) this should be informative...NOT!
What's your problem. I didn't make this thread. Like I said anyone can charge what they want for their products or services. Who can stop them? Let's talk about what works for you. Sometimes the mistake on here is made paying too much attention to what someone else is doing and not enough attention where it should be.
 
A good question might be how do you determine your prices? Based on cost, what you can get, competition or ?

What about costs - what percentage of your sales do you spend on gear, education, marketing, etc?

How many gigs do you get a year? It's easy to say 'i only take gigs i like and get $1000 per and i spend nothing on marketing' and you do 3 a year. I could do that. I need/want 40 this year - very different from a part timer/retired person.

And are your growing or remaining the same or shrinking? In gigs and pricing?
 
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I need/want 40 this year - very different from a part timer/retired person

Well Ice, I'm attempting to jack my rates up this year by quite a bit. But sometimes I feel like I'm just giving prospects to other DJs that charge a lower rate. In fact, I know I am! I'm part time and semi retired and...

I don't really need to make as much as most other DJs out there anyway (no wife or kids to support), so I could offer discounts or bring my rates back down to last year's rates with no regrets. I tried raising my rates only $100 last year and ended up (chickened out!) only increasing them by $30.

I'll give my higher rates a chance this year. ($225 increase) I'll just have to accept that I won't be booking as many backyard weddings and probably less weddings altogether.
 
I need/want 40 this year - very different from a part timer/retired person

Well Ice, I'm attempting to jack my rates up this year by quite a bit. But sometimes I feel like I'm just giving prospects to other DJs that charge a lower rate. In fact, I know I am! I'm part time and semi retired and...

I don't really need to make as much as most other DJs out there anyway (no wife or kids to support), so I could offer discounts or bring my rates back down to last year's rates with no regrets. I tried raising my rates only $100 last year and ended up (chickened out!) only increasing them by $30...
I think you're right... simply raising rates is not always possible unless you're prepared to send a lot of business elsewhere. I find most people know what the going rate is. They may pay a little more than average, but very few are willing to spend more, thinking higher prices means higher quality.


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I think you're right... simply raising rates is not always possible unless you're prepared to send a lot of business elsewhere. I find most people know what the going rate is. They may pay a little more than average, but very few are willing to spend more, thinking higher prices means higher quality.


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The question is: What is the average price? What is standard for DJs? Should people expect a seasoned professional, and a great overall experience paying the standard rate?

Does paying double the "standard" rate for DJs = Double the Quality/Double the Service (Which also means Double the fun?)

Are lower rate DJs doing a dis service to the industry? Or are higher rate DJs simply not being competitive enough in the current market?

The DJ Industry certainly is unique. It's very different from most other businesses and sectors of business out there.
 
The question is: What is the average price? What is standard for DJs? Should people expect a seasoned professional, and a great overall experience paying the standard rate?

Does paying double the "standard" rate for DJs = Double the Quality/Double the Service (Which also means Double the fun?)

Are lower rate DJs doing a dis service to the industry? Or are higher rate DJs simply not being competitive enough in the current market?

The DJ Industry certainly is unique. It's very different from most other businesses and sectors of business out there.
The average DJ rate, IMO, varies by region and city. It is market driven to some degree (in most areas there are more DJ's than there is a demand), but like you said, it's unique. The thing that makes it unique is that so many want to do it because it appears to be fun; and it is. However, if you really do it right, it's also a fair amount of work. There's also quite a few part-timers, most of which have full time jobs and don't need to make a lot of money; money for DJing is not their main objective.
As for whether low priced DJ's do the industry a disservice... I don't think most low priced DJ's even think about that. I charge what would be considered a mid-range rate, but if I never read discussions on this topic on DJ forums like this one, I may have charged less. It may have never occurred to me I was driving the prices down for DJ's who need the money.


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The average DJ rate, IMO, varies by region and city.

I agree.

It is market driven to some degree (in most areas there are more DJ's than there is a demand), but like you said, it's unique. The thing that makes it unique is that so many want to do it because it appears to be fun; and it is. However, if you really do it right, it's also a fair amount of work.

Tossing on the good ol' ODJT DA hat .. how 'unique' is this from any other business? Computer repair shops are market driven. Fixing computers is fun .. and if you do it right, it also is a fair amount of time and the cost goes up. Same with some other businesses.
 
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I agree.



Tossing on the good ol' ODJT DA hat .. how 'unique' is this from any other business? Computer repair shops are market driven. Fixing computers is fun .. and if you do it right, it also is a fair amount of time and the cost goes up. Same with some other businesses.
LOL... Fixing computers fun??? I'll have to ponder that![emoji3] I can fix computers, and I enjoy it, but I don't know if I'd call it fun... I know I never considered fixing computers as a business I might get into upon my retirement, but starting a DJ business; well, what could be better than playing music for people's parties?[emoji2]


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I agree.



Tossing on the good ol' ODJT DA hat .. how 'unique' is this from any other business? Computer repair shops are market driven. Fixing computers is fun .. and if you do it right, it also is a fair amount of time and the cost goes up. Same with some other businesses.

1. With MOST people out there, they will only hire/book a DJ once or twice in their entire life time. Computer repair is something that is likely to be sought out by consumers more often than a Mobile DJ.
2. When it comes to weddings: There is no do over (or not suppose to be any way) - Entertainment is considered a priority for such an event as it can make or break the wedding day. (However, when it comes to brides/grooms priorities prior to their wedding day, how they prioritize, and pay for their vendors show otherwise)
3. Selling yourself or your company as a Mobile DJ is more challenging than selling computer repair to a consumer. With Computer repair, there are "standards" on how to fix or repair the computer. There are not necessarily standards on how to perform as a DJ at an event. ...With computer repair, if you don't fix the problem, you don't get paid, and the consumer can take the computer to someone else who can fix it. ...With DJs if you ruin their wedding or party...the party can't be re fixed. Also, you are still likely to get paid as the DJ...especially if you collected the balance before hand. ...Also the clients may not know how bad their day was ruined...especially if their expectations were low enough from the beginning. Maybe doing the bare minimum get's the job done. ...Bare minimum in computer repair is fixing the problem. Either you fix the issue, or you do not.

DJ business certainly is unique.
 
LOL... Fixing computers fun??? I'll have to ponder that![emoji3] I can fix computers, and I enjoy it, but I don't know if I'd call it fun... I know I never considered fixing computers as a business I might get into upon my retirement, but starting a DJ business; well, what could be better than playing music for people's parties?[emoji2]


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Being paid to be a guest at the party, and motivate the crowd from behind the scenes, drink, have fun dancing etc.

Being paid to play video games is more fun?
 
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LOL... Fixing computers fun??? I'll have to ponder that! I can fix computers, and I enjoy it, but I don't know if I'd call it fun... I know I never considered fixing computers as a business I might get into upon my retirement, but starting a DJ business; well, what could be better than playing music for people's parties?

Yes, fixing computers can be fun. I don't disagree that music is more fun. From a business perspective though, I don't see it as that unique.
 
1. With MOST people out there, they will only hire/book a DJ once or twice in their entire life time. Computer repair is something that is likely to be sought out by consumers more often than a Mobile DJ.

How many times have you hired a computer tech?

2. When it comes to weddings: There is no do over (or not suppose to be any way) - Entertainment is considered a priority for such an event as it can make or break the wedding day. (However, when it comes to brides/grooms priorities prior to their wedding day, how they prioritize, and pay for their vendors show otherwise)

Specifically for a wedding, I agree. There is also no 'do over' if someone has not backed up all their files (them or the computer repair shop) and they are lost. Different impact, but still no do over.

3. Selling yourself or your company as a Mobile DJ is more challenging than selling computer repair to a consumer.

I slightly agree with this - on the basis that a user thinks that all computer repair shops do the same thing - but they don't. That said, most customers think DJ's are all the same too - until you educate them. One difference is .. a DJ can usually display the difference. I can't usually physically show what's been fixed on a computer.

With Computer repair, there are "standards" on how to fix or repair the computer. There are not necessarily standards on how to perform as a DJ at an event. ...With computer repair, if you don't fix the problem, you don't get paid, and the consumer can take the computer to someone else who can fix it. ...With DJs if you ruin their wedding or party...the party can't be re fixed. Also, you are still likely to get paid as the DJ...especially if you collected the balance before hand. ...Also the clients may not know how bad their day was ruined...especially if their expectations were low enough from the beginning. Maybe doing the bare minimum get's the job done. ...Bare minimum in computer repair is fixing the problem. Either you fix the issue, or you do not.

There are 'standards' to fixing a computer? I can't wait to hear this. If files are lost, there's a good chance they are gone forever .. and how many 'techs' do you visit before the data is truly gone? I have quite a few stories of 'techs' that pretty much wanted to toss a drive out because it was 'bad' and 'not recoverable' but the data was completely recoverable. 'Bare minimum' in computer repair is certainly NOT fixing the problem.

DJ business certainly is unique.

I'm not seeing it.
 
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Yes, fixing computers can be fun. I don't disagree that music is more fun. From a business perspective though, I don't see it as that unique.
I think what makes DJing unique is the wide variations... you can DJ if you're 14 or 94... you can do it with a couple of speakers on poles or with a truck full of gear... you can spend next to nothing on gear, or you can spend a small fortune... you can advertise, or depend entirely on word of mouth. You can be very skilled or have no mixing skills at all. The variation in rates can be equally as dramatic. There may be other businesses as unique, but not many. [emoji4]

Edit: I should add... most of your customers think they could DJ just as good as you if they wanted to![emoji2]

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I think what makes DJing unique is the wide variations... you can DJ if you're 14 or 94... you can do it with a couple of speakers on poles or with a truck full of gear... you can spend next to nothing on gear, or you can spend a small fortune... you can advertise, or depend entirely on word of mouth. You can be very skilled or have no mixing skills at all. The variation in rates can be equally as dramatic. There may be other businesses as unique, but not many.

Edit: I should add... most of your customers think they could DJ just as good as you if they wanted to!

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And all of this is different from a computer tech how? ;)