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Jeff Romard

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To get in to doing video dances?

Ive had alot of calls recently to do this type of function and there is no one in my area doing this.

I have the sound gear to do any size event pretty much so we will count that out and I know I would need projectors and screens (I am open to suggestions in this area)

I think what I need to know is Where do I get he videos? is there a subscription service? How Much?

How do I go between the projector and the source? Let's say I rip the source to AVI and run off laptop can I use 2 laptops split out of the two projectors? What is the best software for this kind of work? Do I need a video mixer of some sort or can the software do this for me?

Any advice would be appreciated
 
When my company I work for does them we get our videos from http://www.ergmusic.com/usaDJs/dvdmusic.asp and prime cuts DVD services. Then on our rack we have a two dvd players and run them to a router box (not sure thats what its called but thats what we call it, it has 2 buttons and when you push one that DVD player goes on screen but you can still hear the sound from the other until you pause it) then we just run the DVD players to the projector

hope that helps abit
 
I'm going to run my video show off of VDJ.

You could use 2 dvd players, and a video mixer, google "Edirol V4"
Pricey yes, but you get what you pay for.

How much is your market willing to pay for this service????
Doing video is going to be quite a cash outlay,(that is why mine isn't done yet)
Places to get videos and ambients
www.tmstudios.com
www.promoonly.com
www.screenplay.com
www.venuevj.com

Do some market research to see if it will be worth the cost and effort involved, In my area, its not really worth it, but i want to just for the challenge.

Good luck
 
How much is your market willing to pay for this service????
Doing video is going to be quite a cash outlay,(that is why mine isn't done yet)

The only ones that currently provide Video Dances in this area are the Much Music crew (Canadas MTV) and I know about 15 years ago they were charging around $2000. They are based out of Halifax which is a 250 mile drive.

I assume thier rate went up since then substantially. At one time here every high school in a 100 mile radius had at least one Video Dance a year but the last few years it has dropped off. I am assuming price has alot to do with that since I am getting phone calls inquiring.

I am going to start the Market reasearch Tuesday (tomorrow is a holiday here) but as it sits right now I am thinking $1500/show but to get that kind of money I would have to be as good as they are or better
 
So far you've got good advice. Choose your music source. We use Promo Only subscriptions. We play off DVD and use an audio mixer for audio and a video mixer (the Edirol V4) for video. It's pretty much impossible to find a good a/v mixer as you don't always want to mix the two the same. You'll understand that more as you get into it. You can use a simple video switch if you'd like to go cheaper; available at your local RAdio Shack. The V4 gives us different mix modes as well as fx if we need to edit the video on the fly. A switch will give you a little stutter when you switch which isn't terribly important. Your video switch or mixer will allow you to run your source to multiple projectors. If you use a switch you may need a video amp to keep the signal high enough once split to the projectors. If you want to run different videos on each screen things become more complicated.
 
I finally got some time to work on this and do a little market research....

Right now it's looking like the market is there although I seriously over estimated the price I can get for one of these functions. The Much crew is travelling this way for less than they did 15 years ago. They are getting about $1600 including travel so I figure I can sell for $1000 to $1200 with no big issue but I have to be able to put on as good or better a show than they do

Here's what I am looking at right now....

Two screen show run from Laptop

20 Par Cans

2 Strobes

2 Lasers

8 Effect lights

I have pretty much decided to go with Promo only for my videos I really like the collections they have put together and the subscription rate seems reasonable

I am looking at being up and running by August or September for the coming school year if everything goes right

Over the next few weeks I'll be asking alot of questions and probably some of them will seem a bit dumb but this is my only source for learning this information so please bear with me

First Question...Val what size screens do you use?
 
I personally use Pcdj VJ along with two 46 Lcd's I have two projectors with 10 ft screens but I like the way the lcd screens look. And so far everyone likes they Lcds better (Cleaner Picture) Just my 2 cents. Oh and I Use Tm Century.
 
When my company I work for does them we get our videos from http://www.ergmusic.com/usaDJs/dvdmusic.asp and prime cuts DVD services. Then on our rack we have a two dvd players and run them to a router box (not sure thats what its called but thats what we call it, it has 2 buttons and when you push one that DVD player goes on screen but you can still hear the sound from the other until you pause it) then we just run the DVD players to the projector

hope that helps abit


That's interesting Mason...I believe the only legal service in Canada is Promo Only......


Jeff - Many vj's are building custom desk tops, or buying high powered laptops and using VDJ or OTS.

Cap can help you here...

I'd stick with projectors and rear view screens
 
I finally got some time to work on this and do a little market research....

Right now it's looking like the market is there although I seriously over estimated the price I can get for one of these functions. The Much crew is travelling this way for less than they did 15 years ago. They are getting about $1600 including travel so I figure I can sell for $1000 to $1200 with no big issue but I have to be able to put on as good or better a show than they do

Here's what I am looking at right now....

Two screen show run from Laptop

20 Par Cans

2 Strobes

2 Lasers

8 Effect lights

I have pretty much decided to go with Promo only for my videos I really like the collections they have put together and the subscription rate seems reasonable

I am looking at being up and running by August or September for the coming school year if everything goes right

Over the next few weeks I'll be asking alot of questions and probably some of them will seem a bit dumb but this is my only source for learning this information so please bear with me

First Question...Val what size screens do you use?


Jeff
We use 15' fast fold rear project screens (9x12). You do need 2 people to set these up, so if you're flying solo, you'll want a 10' (6x8). It sounds like you are off to a good start with the equipment plan. Make sure you have a good way to control your lighting; all the equipment in the world is still a crappy show if it's not well programmed so it enhances the music rather than just visual noise.
 
We started videos w/ Virtual DJ, but once Ots started offering the video option we immediately went back to Ots & are using OtsAV -- which I love. We route the video signal different ways for different venues/events...

Weddings/etc = We own three different projection screens and can do front or rear projection, depending on the venue, space, etc. The screen styles include the tri-pod style (which we've only used twice & is only front projection), a pull down style that we used to have installed in my bar (it's apprx 8'x10' & only works w/ front projection), and a bag-style that stretches to all kinds of sizes (spandex, I think, and is front or rear capable).

Bars/etc = We can use the above plus we can route our signals to as many screens as they have or want our signal to go to. We own multiple routers and only have to run one cable from our system to a router & tap into a venues cable/satellite cabling via our router (instead of running cable to every monitor!) -- we have had our videos on two projection screens plus a venues 24 TVs before with no problems and no major labor involved!

Not really sure what's avail outside of the States...I subscribe to RPM/Top Hits and Brad subscribes to TMCentury/Jones (sorry, drawing a blank on their current name now) or PromoOnly and we have purchased seperate sets from other non-subscription services in the past.

A nice feature of OtsAV is that if you're playing a song that you don't own the video to you can have the system automatically run slides (or as we call them, "ad screens") which we create. We have run photos (weddings, reunions, etc) and promotional items (bars, etc). We create these in MS Powerpoint and/or Publisher and 'save as' jpegs so they work w/ OtsAV. It's super easy & I can't believe how much positive feedback we continually rcv & always hear things like "I've never seen a DJ do that before!"

We also keep a (cheap) DVD player handy for ShadowDancers (bar events) and/or classic cartoons (FogHornLegHorn, etc - w/o sound of course) if we don't want to run our ad screens during non-video-songs. People have been very positive w/ this as well. [note: the 'cheap' DVD player is never used for music video playback -- if you prefer to use DVD decks I strongly recommend buying pro-grade gear]

For bar events (non-'club' events) we occasionally run movie clips & do trivia as well off of OtsAV between a few songs.

When you have the video option available on a quality computer system your options are basically endless (karaoke, videos, ads, slides, etc + plain music all off of one system w/ no discs to carry!).

Video, when ripped at high quality rates takes up a LOT of space/memory, but w/ hard drive prices constantly falling, it's pretty cheap now.

Okay, this post got kind of long -- hope I didn't lose track of your questions & I hope this was somewhat helpful. I wish you all the best...feel free to contact me at anytime for any other pointers/questions you may have---I do NOT know everything, but I will never lie & make an answer up, if I know I will share, if I don't I will be honest about it.

Best of luck to you!
 
Thanks Todd..Between all of you you'll make a VJ out of me yet :sqwink:

I've been looking at projectors the last few days locally and the ones I have seen are an average 2200 lumens. I am assuming the higher the better?

One of my worries was protecting the projectors during the show but with some reading I have been doing it seems that most use either mirrors or rear projection. I understand the concept of mirrors but doesn't that lessen the quality on the screen?

As for rear projection I don't understand how that works at all. Is it done with a common projector somehow or is it a special projector?

Also is there some certian brand of projector that's better for this type of work?
 
Jeff all projectors should have an option for picture display depending on where the projector is. There is an option for rear projection. Rear projections screens are translucent....
I don't know that you have to go out and spend 2 or 3 grand on a projector. We're not talking hi-def here...videos in a gym...I think that 2200 lumens would likely serve you well.

There are some that require less distance to fill the screen; that's probably something to consider
 
Jeff : A lot of what you'll eventually need is dependent on the majority of the type of events you do. As my focus is on weddings, my equipment choices have been predicated on that ilk.

First, weddings are highly mobile oriented. One comes into a blank arena, then as fast as possible in the smallest area possible, the road show is set. Then, when it's over...whoosh...gone and nothing left behind. Will you have roadie help or will you be alone? Another equipment choice impact.

Portability, speed, labor, and time.

In my case only [not speaking for or against anyone else's concepts], the decision was the laptop route. Since going digital in 1998, no CDs have been used or carried at an event. There was no going backwards and begin carrying DVDs. That eliminated DVD players and turned the direction to digital only.

Because of personal long term success with GigaPortAG sound cards ( 4 stereo channels using ASIO driver sets ) and an everlasting love affair with the 1U Numark RM-6 mixer (six channels), plus spending good bucks for quality lap tops with the right horsepower ( one main, two backups ), the video media choice path was digital again. With four output choices into four input mixer choices, I can run two playback programs concurrently which is a fail safe should either hiccup.

If one chooses the digital route, be prepared for a cacophony of software rendering software, file type decisions, editing programs, and playback mixing software. Mind boggling, horrifically diverse, confusing, and far from being standardized. Too much development money at stake.

For the monitor, size/weight were the primary issues, screen quality second, track record third, warranty fourth, an available carry-in local repair shop last.

Making the usual ground breaking but novice usual mistakes, the first purchase was a small inexpensive screen. Could not see squat from more than 10'. Bought a larger, heavier, model. Ahhh, 20' viewing range. But because the screen wasn't "flying", when folks danced, no one at the tables could see. Also, because no money was spent on a proper protective transport case/bag, ended up shattering the anti-glare protective screen with an overly tightened ratchet strap. The replacement anti-glare screen was as much to replace as the buying a new monitor.

As of this moment, the screen choice is and remains the Samsung 52" lcd monitor (a mere 70 lbs) and a crank up lighting tree tripod (not a trussing crank stand; the lighting stand is smaller and lighter than those). By custom altering the stand, [run all the wires inside the center] there are NO EXPOSED wires. By putting hooks on the back of the screen instead of the far too heavy wall mount or truss mount brackets, the screen simply hooks on the crossbar, and using an 18v drill, crank that puppy in the air at various needed heights. The transport, set, and strike is all done by my personal roadies...me, myself, and I. It has added about 20 minutes to setup, less than 10 minutes strike time.

Storage is done on duplicated 2TB external drives to house the video files having decided on the native vob format until somebody comes out with a universal codec format that will allow for vob clarity at a considerable file size saving. FYI: vob to video is what wav is to audio. wav files are about 1 mb per minute of audio, vob is about 80mb a minute. Both vob and wav are original, lossless, and ginormous space hogs.

The last less obvious consideration is media duplicity. Are you going to subscribe to a DVD service AND a CD service? Are you going to have a 200mb video file and a 5 mb audio file of the same song? Once subscribed to RPM for audio AND video, and to TM Century for video simultaneously, that has been reduced to TM Century video only. They seem to keep current with what is needed for today's audiences PLUS the content of TM Century video's language and visual is rarely more than "R" rated, which is tame considering what has been seen from other services.

Lastly comes the historical needs for video content. Try to find any quality video tracks of artists and songs from 1980 or older. Now one will go from buying new, to catching up with yesterday, to questing for the older, to learning how to put your own audio tracks on an ancient video and somehow sync up the lips with the sounds.

Good luck with your choices and stand by to accept another addiction into your life.

Here's my presentation as of a two weeks ago:

videosetup-gideon.jpg

This has been a quick and dirty synopsis. There's much more detail and system experiences into varying decisions especially if one is developing an eye for futuristic possibilities.
 
Jeff all projectors should have an option for picture display depending on where the projector is. There is an option for rear projection. Rear projections screens are translucent....
I don't know that you have to go out and spend 2 or 3 grand on a projector. We're not talking hi-def here...videos in a gym...I think that 2200 lumens would likely serve you well.

There are some that require less distance to fill the screen; that's probably something to consider

Not all projectors offer rear projection; check the specs. If you use a mirror, you don't need the projector to have rear project mode; it would actually be set the same as front project because you are reversing the image with the mirror. If you do not use a mirror, you need the rear feature. Other handy features are keystoning (some offer 2 directions, some just 1) and lens shift. These features will make setup a little quicker.

Projectorcentral.com is a good place to compare stats on various models. I really like Sanyos, but find a decent set of specs in your budget. I much prefer LCD to DLP, but your mileage may vary on that too.

Protecting the projector is a consideration. We do not allow anyone behind the screens or system, and due to the size of our system, that's not much of a problem. You will need a way to hold your projector; we happen to have road cases we use once everything else is set up. We used to use a tripod with a 'shelf' on top. A screen drape will help you out in keeping people away; for some reason with teens it becomes an inpenetrable wall. You'll understand what I mean later on that one. Tidy setup and crowd control will keep things safe. Remember if someone trips on the cord on their way to make a request or something, they could rip the whole projector off and onto the floor. ouch. Never had that happen (Yet).
 
Val you must now knock on wood. Will miss seeing you this week as I will many of the ODJT family. I hope to be able to share some of the adventure.
 
Thanks to all who have given me advice so far

Jeff : A lot of what you'll eventually need is dependent on the majority of the type of events you do. As my focus is on weddings, my equipment choices have been predicated on that ilk.

First, weddings are highly mobile oriented. One comes into a blank arena, then as fast as possible in the smallest area possible, the road show is set. Then, when it's over...whoosh...gone and nothing left behind. Will you have roadie help or will you be alone? Another equipment choice impact.

I expect to have at least one roadie for the average video show. My plan right now is mainly youth events and adult specialty events things like an 80s night etc. I don't expect to use this show at weddings very often so I haven't built it in to the business plan. If I book a few video weddings it will be a bonus but in my market, with the price I would be upselling it for, I wouldn't count on it very often

In my case only [not speaking for or against anyone else's concepts], the decision was the laptop route. Since going digital in 1998, no CDs have been used or carried at an event. There was no going backwards and begin carrying DVDs. That eliminated DVD players and turned the direction to digital only.

I feel the same way Cap. I was a year after you going digital and I can't imagine going back. This week sometime I am going to run some tests to see if my laptops and software can run video over long term successfully. I may in the short term carry DVD copies for backup until I convince myself it will be OK



If one chooses the digital route, be prepared for a cacophony of software rendering software, file type decisions, editing programs, and playback mixing software. Mind boggling, horrifically diverse, confusing, and far from being standardized. Too much development money at stake.

Right now I am looking at Mixmeister for playback. I have several different versions but I am thinking 7 might be the right one for the job for me. I've been using MM since going digital and I am very comfortable with it so if it works out well that will be the route.

What would be a good ripping software?


The last less obvious consideration is media duplicity. Are you going to subscribe to a DVD service AND a CD service? Are you going to have a 200mb video file and a 5 mb audio file of the same song? Once subscribed to RPM for audio AND video, and to TM Century for video simultaneously, that has been reduced to TM Century video only. They seem to keep current with what is needed for today's audiences PLUS the content of TM Century video's language and visual is rarely more than "R" rated, which is tame considering what has been seen from other services.[

As of right now I don't subscribe for audio I buy the discs or digital downloads in some cases. For video I am seriously looking at Promo Only. They seem to have the best collections for what I need

Lastly comes the historical needs for video content. Try to find any quality video tracks of artists and songs from 1980 or older. Now one will go from buying new, to catching up with yesterday, to questing for the older, to learning how to put your own audio tracks on an ancient video and somehow sync up the lips with the sounds.

I am worried about this. I pride myself on producing good quality sound I hate that to change because of bad source material

Good luck with your choices and stand by to accept another addiction into your life..

Just what I need another addiction :sqrolleyes: I figure my wife will kill me one of these days :sqerr:
 
A nice feature of OtsAV is that if you're playing a song that you don't own the video to you can have the system automatically run slides (or as we call them, "ad screens") which we create. We have run photos (weddings, reunions, etc) and promotional items (bars, etc). We create these in MS Powerpoint and/or Publisher and 'save as' jpegs so they work w/ OtsAV. It's super easy & I can't believe how much positive feedback we continually rcv & always hear things like "I've never seen a DJ do that before!"

We also keep a (cheap) DVD player handy for ShadowDancers (bar events) and/or classic cartoons (FogHornLegHorn, etc - w/o sound of course)

Are you an actual Virtual DJ Owner? Everything you mentioned above has been available on VDJ for like 5 years... Where do you think OTS got the whole video idea from? Every time VDJ implements a feature, a year or two later, OTS adds it.

If you don't own the video to a song, VDJ will allow you to run Ad slides, Slideshow, Ambient visuals, clip bank visuals, or live feed from another source, as well as several other sources.. I often set it to run text live between videos.

VDJ also has much more sophisticated mixing capabilities It will also play over 20 different video formats including youtube videos, and other such flash and web formats.

It also allows you to link a video to a song without video.. so for example, every time you play a certain song, the associated video plays along with it.

You're definitely short changing yourself if you're using OTS and own VDJ... I'd be happy to show you how you can take your show to the next level with VDJ..