MP3 Tags Finally Sorted Out....

[SoftJock Rick]

Maybe you should quit building software for just your needs. Try building it for those that actually Dj.

That's sort of funny Randy.

I originally built it for my own use around 1998 -99 -- but since then, I have built it for other's use. It's not my problem that they are too stupid to figure out how to use it.

I suppose if they read the manual, and checked the tutorials -- they might have some clue as to how it works -- or, they could pick up the phone and dial my number if they can't read too well

 

[Dan The Man]

I found an App and it works pretty good but, one thing audiograbber allows you to do is to tag genre for each track independatly from the global tag.... so, while ripping a CD of Aerosmith music is fine, trying to do a subscription disc with multiple genre's is a pain.... so the search goes on....

I could use iTunes but I hate that you can't name your tracks and store them as you see fit.... I don't want a bunch of directories with 10-15 songs all named like this: 01 - Jump.mp3 I hate that!

Rob, it's been a while since I used OS X regularly but this is what I used to use: http://www.pa-software.com/id3editor/

 

[dunlopj]

I don't want a bunch of directories with 10-15 songs all named like this: 01 - Jump.mp3 I hate that!

As do I! That's why I rename every track I buy from I Tunes or Google music...part of being a little OCD I guess...

House Of Pain - Jump - as it should be!

 

[ittigger]

YMMV, but I choose to keep the track, title and artist as part of the filename. If I ever have to reburn the media as original, I can. I have alot of songs that I know are - this track number on this album - sometimes it's easier to locate. Also, I don't want minimal folders with thousands of songs in it (takes Explorer FOREVER to pull up that list). I find that 'album folders' help me keep some order / organization to the library - and as an added bonus, allows faster browsing / searching.

Also, I use multiple hw and sw platforms with my media and for locating stuff. Doing it the same way across all platforms makes it real easy. I'm not saying my way is better or worse than anyone else's - it is my way. Whatever your 'way' of doing it is, just try to do it the same way across all platforms.

 

[SoftJock Rick]

Why do some of you use file names? Just tag the thing -- that's what the tags are in a file are for.

Just tag them properly, and they will be fine on any platform -- file name is BS, you can't rely on it.

 

[ittigger]

In a perfect world, tags everywhere would be great .. but not everything uses tags.

 

[SoftJock Rick]

In a perfect world, tags everywhere would be great .. but not everything uses tags.

I do

I can't rely on file names. But I can tag any audio file, including WAV files.

Let's say that we have a file called: 01-2112-Rush-.mp3.

Why would I want to do a slow search via Windows, when I already have it in my library, and properly categorized?


I've spent well over a decade building these algorithms, so your life is easier. Yet many continue to use old technology to do what is a simple task. That task, is to have a library built and ready to go. When yer down to the last 10 seconds of a tune, and you know the crowd -- you might decide to change at the last few seconds.

That's why proper tagging is important. If your software cannot handle it, I'd recommend visiting SOFTJOCK.COM, and try some that does work properly

 

[ahoustondj]

I do

I can't rely on file names. But I can tag any audio file, including WAV files.

Let's say that we have a file called: 01-2112-Rush-.mp3.

Why would I want to do a slow search via Windows, when I already have it in my library, and properly categorized?


I've spent well over a decade building these algorithms, so your life is easier. Yet many continue to use old technology to do what is a simple task. That task, is to have a library built and ready to go. When yer down to the last 10 seconds of a tune, and you know the crowd -- you might decide to change at the last few seconds.

That's why proper tagging is important. If your software cannot handle it, I'd recommend visiting SOFTJOCK.COM, and try some that does work properly

I agree! Damn did I say that??? Anyway, there are lots of so called DJs out there who don't know how to properly use DJ Software, let alone utilize their full potential.

 

[SoftJock Rick]

I agree! Damn did I say that??? Anyway, there are lots of so called DJs out there who don't know how to properly use DJ Software, let alone utilize their full potential.

Heck, half of my customers don't know how to use a computer, let alone the software on it...

Sometimes I feel like I'm a teacher. Did ya ever get one them calls where they work ahead of you?


I ask them kindly to follow my instructions step by step, and we will resolve the issue. What are the odds on that working properly...?

 

[dunlopj]

I suppose if they read the manual, and checked the tutorials -- they might have some clue as to how it works.

I second Rick's RockIt manual and other tutorials at his web site...made the switch from Red 5.2 to RockIt and Audiograbber as painless and easy as possible.

Thanks again for your outstanding support Rick!

 

[ittigger]

Say what you want - some of this sw, and the manner in which it is used, was not around when you could begin digitizing / playing. Also, as I said - YMMV. I'm certain we each have our own way of doing things. This doesn't make it wrong - nor does it mean I don't know how to use my sw properly nor does it make me any less of a DJ. If anything, I'm keeping my mind open about where the systems (and technology) were, where they are and keeps me prepared for what may be coming. If you completely rely on tags, then you may have a bit of an uphill battle (to learn) when you can't use them.

I do

I can't rely on file names. But I can tag any audio file, including WAV files.

Let's say that we have a file called: 01-2112-Rush-.mp3.

Why would I want to do a slow search via Windows, when I already have it in my library, and properly categorized?

I've spent well over a decade building these algorithms, so your life is easier. Yet many continue to use old technology to do what is a simple task. That task, is to have a library built and ready to go. When yer down to the last 10 seconds of a tune, and you know the crowd -- you might decide to change at the last few seconds.
That's why proper tagging is important. If your software cannot handle it, I'd recommend visiting SOFTJOCK.COM, and try some that does work properly

Why do I need to do all this when I have a perfectly fine process in place? I can use Windows search to locate files, I can use my tagged indexes, I can navigate to the folders, etc, etc, etc. Each of these are tools I can use to get to the media I need for whatever it is I'm trying to do. No offense meant Ricky, but during my testing of what apps do to tag / digitize, etc - it's never completely right - I ALWAYS have to go over it, so if I have to go over it anyways, I will do it my way - then I know it's right. I TOTALLY agree that proper tagging is important. Again, not all apps use tagging. In addition, I have yet to meet files that are automagically tagged, bpm'd, scanned, whatever, completely properly.

Regardless of how well an App 'may' work, you 'may' at some point have to use the OS. I have my library set to meet my definition of efficient. I have tags, file names, etc, etc - and I use them all.

Heck, half of my customers don't know how to use a computer, let alone the software on it...

Sometimes I feel like I'm a teacher. Did ya ever get one them calls where they work ahead of you?
I ask them kindly to follow my instructions step by step, and we will resolve the issue. What are the odds on that working properly...?

I also TOTALLY agree with this. Having said that, I'm very fluent with computers. For the person that cannot follow instructions and has no idea what does what, tags are totally appropriate and may be all that they use. I, however, am not a newbie to the computer arena. I speak computer very well.

I ask those of you stating to use tags only - what harm could it possibly be to have and use multiple ways to access your media?

01000010 01101001 01101110 01100001 01110010 01111001 0100000 01101001 01110011 0100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 0100000 01101100 01100001 01101110 01100111 01110101 01100001 01100111 01100101 0100000 01101111 01100110 0100000 01110100 01101000 01100101 0100000 01101101 01100001 01100011 01101000 01101001 01101110 01100101 01110011

 

[SoftJock Rick]

No offense taken Tigger -- I'm not like that -- in less someone tries to break into my house


Download a copy of Rockit, load your library -- then shut it down, because you only have about 30 or so minutes on the trial each time.

Open it back up, and do a search on say rick. Now, do the same search in Windows Explorer.

Hell, type in 1996 and see what you come up with.


Try that in Windows, and see how long it takes. Send me your results...

 

[ittigger]

I get it - but that doesn't change the fact that tags are not in use globally across a system or apps. Because of that, it helps to know 'the dark side' and how to use it. Tags are VERY useful in an environment that uses them explicitly (and to people that are not very knowledgeable about their systems). Tags mean crap in an environment that does not use them explicitly, appropriately or otherwise.

My point with Window Exploder - browse amongst a single folder containing 10 million things in it Vs. organized sub folders that contain appropriate amounts of data. Tell me which one is faster.

Let's also say that for whatever reason, my index went kaputz. I could easily navigate to and load what I needed. It is organized the best way I see fit for what I want and how I use it. Why reinvent the wheel?

 

[SoftJock Rick]

I get it - but that doesn't change the fact that tags are not in use globally across a system or apps. Because of that, it helps to know 'the dark side' and how to use it. Tags are VERY useful in an environment that uses them explicitly (and to people that are not very knowledgeable about their systems). Tags mean crap in an environment that does not use them explicitly, appropriately or otherwise.

My point with Window Exploder - browse amongst a single folder containing 10 million things in it Vs. organized sub folders that contain appropriate amounts of data. Tell me which one is faster.

Let's also say that for whatever reason, my index went kaputz. I could easily navigate to and load what I needed. It is organized the best way I see fit for what I want and how I use it. Why reinvent the wheel?

I'm not aware of any apps that can't read MP3 tags. If there are any, I would suggest not using them.

Mine are organized, but I don't like that approach -- for example:

Every drive I have, has a root MP3 folder, and under the MP3 folder, it's folders that are usually by artist, then album. I can easily drag and drop them into Rockit's decks or lists from there -- but it's too slow for my tastes.

Hence the reason for designing DJ software to do the task for you.


If I'm playing around with WMP, then I'll use Exploder, but I usually don't do that except for videos or VLC.

 

[ittigger]

Again, for the basic user - you are correct.

 

[SoftJock Rick]

Again, for the basic user - you are correct.

The idiots should go back to CDs, IMHO.

 

[Ron]

I also have mine organized in a folder structure and named with title & artist. (ex: C:\music\<artist>\<title> - <artist>)
Although whichever software I use I depend on the library for the most part. It is still nice to know where they are should the library have an issue and you have to resort to something as crude as drag and drop. I just consider it part of my backup plan.