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I think we all agree about the library.

I generally have good service too - but I've been in some locations where your cellphone has no service. We have a road not far from here - it's about 10 miles long - you get service for the first 2 miles and the last 4. Nothing in the other 4. Something blocking the signal - it's called the mountains.

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I think you got the wrong idea tigger I do not stream music ( I have enough music, I have been collecting for 40 years and my dad was also an avid collector so my library spans from the 40's to now)
I actually broadcast my event (video and audio) so that my clients family can see it live if they can not attend or live far away or overseas. I am now promoting this as a service. It is a new service and it is a learning curve but of the two that I have done the clients were satisfied.
 
I think you got the wrong idea tigger I do not stream music ( I have enough music, I have been collecting for 40 years and my dad was also an avid collector so my library spans from the 40's to now)
I actually broadcast my event (video and audio) so that my clients family can see it live if they can not attend or live far away or overseas. I am now promoting this as a service. It is a new service and it is a learning curve but of the two that I have done the clients were satisfied.

I was actually trying to cover both sides with it. I know you have done this as a service and that it has been successful. I'm just trying to put it out there that if you consider streaming music (and / or video) at an event, the issues that may be seen. Receiving or transmitting (broadcasting) will incur the same issues.

Like you, I also have more than enough music from multiple generation collectors.

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For those venues where you do have a great connection and there are no errors, it may be nice. What about the times you do have an error? You have to have a plan in place for that - because if you don't, using the technology that broke will leave you left behind.

Totally understand about a program being Internet friendly - but if there's no Internet, what's it friendly to?

I have been in plenty of venues that either don't have Internet access or charge a fairly high amount to use it - and as recently as this past spring have used plenty of venues free Internet (cabled and wifi) that was extremely horrible at best - and these were nice, popular locations. Bringing along your own wifi may be problematic as well.

Example: The metro DC area more than likely has high speed in most places. 60 miles away and more (in the woods), several do not. Depending on the venue, you may have to pay (quite a bit) for that access. Regardless of how fast that connection is, it's only good as long as the link is up - and they do go down. Even if the actual link doesn't go down, paths can be lost.

There's nothing wrong with using technology in the best manner possible. There is something wrong with being dependent on a technology that is not robust enough - and not in enough areas. I've seen places where you have a connection .. but the Internet is so slow that it would be quicker for you to walk to the server. I've also seen 'timed' connections.

My point being - all that technology means crap when you can't get on the Internet or can't use it.
You bring what you expect to use ... but if something happens or if you are asked for something you didn't bring or don't have .. and it made sense .. you could get it. WiFi is in a lot of places .. that and I can tether to my phone to grab something.
 
Totally agreed Steve / Z, if you have the tools and the time, knock yourself out - I'm not saying not to. I'm simply saying to not be dependent on WiFi / Internet. I'm not disputing that WiFi is in lots of places and that you can tether. WiFi / Internet / Tethering is also NOT available in lots of places as well.

I get what you're doing Z, so this probably won't pertain to your use of it - but from another angle, has any one of you had to download a song / songs at the event that made the event - like it would have failed if you had not gotten these songs? You just had to have it, otherwise there is no success?
 
I'm simply saying to not be dependent on WiFi / Internet. I'm not disputing that WiFi is in lots of places and that you can tether. WiFi / Internet / Tethering is also NOT available in lots of places as well.

... from another angle, has any one of you had to download a song / songs at the event that made the event - like it would have failed if you had not gotten these songs? You just had to have it, otherwise there is no success?

You're fear of current media delivery is fast becoming irrational - right up there with fear of losing electricity.

To answer your question - YES, I have downloaded or accessed songs and other media at gigs that were critical to the success including wedding first dances, bride/father songs, THE one favorite song of a guest of honor, or other media AND made edits and conversions necessary to play them. I've done this often enough with little time to spare or under pressure to meet an upcoming cue or timeline that I consider having access to the internet a new part of my job description. All kinds of things go wrong with events - especially the more complicated and choreographed ones like corporate, retail, and trade. Sometimes it's the people who were supposed to be responsible for avoiding a problem that fail or create new ones. Other times it's simply the complexity of so many new and legacy standards non-compatible systems.

More important than the technology itself is the ability to use it in ways that really matter - solving real problems with a level of competency that can be relied upon. We live in a world now where talk is laid-on quite heavy and real skill is rather lightweight.

Anyone using computers to augment their career - and by that I mean: increasing your skill set, productivity and labor capabilities then you can continue in this profession and likely succeed. On the other hand, are those persons simply using computers as an alternative way to play media; and distancing themselves from the real power of new technology out of fear, resistance to change, or a lack of interest in new skills. The latter candidates should expect a steady decline in wages whereby the average person is already walking around with as much technology in their shirt pocket as you would ever care to indulge.
 
You're fear of current media delivery is fast becoming irrational - right up there with fear of losing electricity.

To answer your question - YES, I have downloaded or accessed songs and other media at gigs that were critical to the success including wedding first dances, bride/father songs, THE one favorite song of a guest of honor, or other media AND made edits and conversions necessary to play them. I've done this often enough with little time to spare or under pressure to meet an upcoming cue or timeline that I consider having access to the internet a new part of my job description. All kinds of things go wrong with events - especially the more complicated and choreographed ones like corporate, retail, and trade. Sometimes it's the people who were supposed to be responsible for avoiding a problem that fail or create new ones. Other times it's simply the complexity of so many new and legacy standards non-compatible systems.

More important than the technology itself is the ability to use it in ways that really matter - solving real problems with a level of competency that can be relied upon. We live in a world now where talk is laid-on quite heavy and real skill is rather lightweight.

Anyone using computers to augment their career - and by that I mean: increasing your skill set, productivity and labor capabilities then you can continue in this profession and likely succeed. On the other hand, are those persons simply using computers as an alternative way to play media; and distancing themselves from the real power of new technology out of fear, resistance to change, or a lack of interest in new skills. The latter candidates should expect a steady decline in wages whereby the average person is already walking around with as much technology in their shirt pocket as you would ever care to indulge.

OMG, you are so right in everything you have stated. I don't know how I would have gone on unless you posted this.

To respond to an actual legitimate conversation within all this other nonsense, if you were not prepared for your event prior to getting there (first dance, second dance, etc) - sounds like you have other issues - not to mention not having media on hand to make a successful event. Regardless of having Internet access to pools and what not, there ARE songs that you still cannot obtain legally online. What would you have done if one of those were a critical song? FWIW, aside from weddings and the formal dances, were there other events where it would not have been successful without the one(s) you had to download? YMDV, FWIW, I make certain that my customers know that anything that is a must play be identified up front. At the event is too late. It's obvious you're ok with risking your performance machine. When it fails (and it will), maybe you'll understand my side. It's not a matter of 'if' - it is a matter of 'when'.

A new part of your job description? WTF? More nonsense.
 
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OMG, you are so right in everything you have stated. I don't know how I would have gone on unless you posted this.

To respond to an actual legitimate conversation within all this other nonsense, if you were not prepared for your event prior to getting there (first dance, second dance, etc) - sounds like you have other issues.

Does it ever stand out to you how often, and desperately your comments hinge on the word "IF" ?
 
Desperately? You need glasses - or a new way of looking at things. I am a realist. Everything in the world hinges on IF. Every plan you will ever make hangs on IF. You have nothing in concrete until it happens.

To add, because I will not assume you were not prepared, then I will take the next logical step which is the 10,000 ft view - and there are lots of if's there. Your computer programs use billions of 'if's'.
 
Desperately? You need glasses - or a new way of looking at things. I am a realist. Everything in the world hinges on IF. Every plan you will ever make hangs on IF. You have nothing in concrete until it happens.

To add, because I will not assume you were not prepared, then I will take the next logical step which is the 10,000 ft view - and there are lots of if's there. Your computer programs use billions of 'if's'.

I think what you are describing is a "reactionary" ...not a realist.
 
Never, ever, ever rely on online services for your music -- make sure it is on on your computer.

Right... NOT! If you're out of touch with the current technology - let me remind you what the OP said: "the tracks were not streaming - they were first downloaded to his machine with DRM in place and THEN played from his own hard drive just like any track he owned outright."

Can you stream the tracks if you wish? Yes. - and I've done it at things like school dances where wifi confidence is high and problems easily masked. If it's a key song like a wedding dance - you download it and play it from your own machine just like any other track or CD.

Hell, if I get an odd ball request and have no other option - I'll play it off my cell phone using YouTube.

I've been at this since vinyl was the standard medium. Sometimes records skipped - tapes broke or tracked off azimuth, sometimes CDs skipped or failed, and HEY! - maybe a streaming track will CRASH..... B.F.D. that's what separates the pro fro the amateur - no fear and the competence to cover or recover without penalty. :)

I've been buying (and throwing away) music for almost 30 years. I get paid to PLAY songs - not collect them. It's about time music distribution caught up with my real needs.
 
Oh great...another way for technology to make it easier for the newbie's.

How about we just HAND THEM a hard drive filled with music?

Oh wait...they get that anyway through various notorious methods...
Now you said a mouth full here. That will just have someone think they can become a DJ over night. They can have the music but will that make them a really good DJ and how good are these downloads? Some of the downloads on certain sites are of very poor quality.
 
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Right... NOT! If you're out of touch with the current technology - let me remind you what the OP said: "the tracks were not streaming - they were first downloaded to his machine with DRM in place and THEN played from his own hard drive just like any track he owned outright."


I disagree:

First off I don't play oddball requests (in fact I don't usually play requests unless I get paid to do so).

Secondly, I have to vet every song I play, by listening to it in its entirety.

Thirdly, I play WAV files mostly now, with some 320 MP3 files still left.
 
I disagree:

First off I don't play oddball requests (in fact I don't usually play requests unless I get paid to do so).

Secondly, I have to vet every song I play, by listening to it in its entirety.

Thirdly, I play WAV files mostly now, with some 320 MP3 files still left.

I agree, you're not really a DJ and customer service is the last thing on your mind. :)