Creationism or Evolution
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Papa, why not both? Wheres's the actual proof that cavemen did not speak a language and only grunted?
At the same time the Bible does not say that Adam and Eve SPOKE, it just shows their dialogue with God.
Neither say that the first man carried a club at all times and said ooga booga.
Evolution and creation can go hand in hand. Just like the big bang.. the Bible does not state how long one of God's days is. God's seven days could've been one million years for us.
Also, if evolution was how half of the population percieves it to be, cats would be opening can openers by now. I do believe that God gave us the ability to evolve to our environments.
At the same time the Bible does not say that Adam and Eve SPOKE, it just shows their dialogue with God.
Neither say that the first man carried a club at all times and said ooga booga.
Evolution and creation can go hand in hand. Just like the big bang.. the Bible does not state how long one of God's days is. God's seven days could've been one million years for us.
Also, if evolution was how half of the population percieves it to be, cats would be opening can openers by now. I do believe that God gave us the ability to evolve to our environments.
Arnoldo... I have trouble grasping either concept singly. I can barely mix a drink let alone concepts as big as these. However, if it works for you, feel free! 
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I agree, they're both interlaced any way you look at it. We fail to understand that it took x amount of days for creation to take place. And I don't think they where referring to 24 hour days, more than likely it would be the equivalent of millions of years using our human parameters.
Any way you look at it even with all it's flaws life is amazing.
Any way you look at it even with all it's flaws life is amazing.
When I was in high school many moons ago. In Biology class we had a evolution/creation debate. While it to me was fun and enlightening it caused some basic questions. Dinosaurs etc, how to explain them. I was talking to the pastor of my church at the time and I'll never forget what he said.
"It doesnt matter how God created us, it's just that he did."
Creation or evolution God did it I've never struggled with the problem since.
"It doesnt matter how God created us, it's just that he did."
Creation or evolution God did it I've never struggled with the problem since.
Arnoldo,
You know I love you man, but this is the most delusional thing I have ever heard you say (and I heard you say penty of them). As a Christian (that I know you are), you can't bend the Bible to support evolution. Gods days = 1 million years? So Jonah (not Youngblood) spent 3 million years in the belly of the whale? 1 day = 1 day period!
I don't understand how you can even consider evolution viable when even most evolutionists don't support traditional views of evolution anymore. In the history of written data, no one has ever seen anything evolve. No one had been able to create life where there wasn't life already. Please do your own research. Of all the people I know, I would have expected you to do your own research before believing something at face value.
Dude ... I also suggest that you read the Bible before suggesting that Adam and Eve didn't speak. Check out Genesis 3:1 through 4:26 before quoting what you don't know about the Bible. If you would like to learn more, please feel free to come down stairs
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Kelly et al:
Simply put, the Bible is man attempting to explain something that is unexplainable. Yes, the Bible is inspired by God but is man's interpretation of what is seen.
We were not there in the time of Genesis, and frankly, neither were the folks that wrote it. We had to depend upon an oral tradition to capture this information before it was placed on paper and the oral tradition allowed for embelishment and misinterpretation.
As a Christian I use the New Testament as a guide to life and th4e Old Testament as background. Jesus came to fulfill prophesies in the Old Testament and to lead us to salvation.
As a Gnostic I add to this the scrolls of new gospels found at Nag Hammadi.
As one seeking spiritual enlightmnet I add certain Eastern interpretations to the Gnostic tradition to allow me to see the spiritual side of Jesus' teachings. Luke 17:21 will give you a hint of what I am talking about.
As to evolution vs. creationism; God is responsible for the existance of the universe. That's enough for me.
Simply put, the Bible is man attempting to explain something that is unexplainable. Yes, the Bible is inspired by God but is man's interpretation of what is seen.
We were not there in the time of Genesis, and frankly, neither were the folks that wrote it. We had to depend upon an oral tradition to capture this information before it was placed on paper and the oral tradition allowed for embelishment and misinterpretation.
As a Christian I use the New Testament as a guide to life and th4e Old Testament as background. Jesus came to fulfill prophesies in the Old Testament and to lead us to salvation.
As a Gnostic I add to this the scrolls of new gospels found at Nag Hammadi.
As one seeking spiritual enlightmnet I add certain Eastern interpretations to the Gnostic tradition to allow me to see the spiritual side of Jesus' teachings. Luke 17:21 will give you a hint of what I am talking about.
As to evolution vs. creationism; God is responsible for the existance of the universe. That's enough for me.
From the smallest particle of matter, life evolved into the multitude of forms we know it to be. Everything from the cave men to the dinosaurs to modern day society evolved from that one smallest particle of life that decided to start multiplying and evolving.
One question remains: Just how did that one little particle of matter get there in the first place?
Creation. What a wonderful way to start His plan.
One question remains: Just how did that one little particle of matter get there in the first place?
Creation. What a wonderful way to start His plan.
Arnoldo,
You know I love you man, but this is the most delusional thing I have ever heard you say (and I heard you say penty of them). As a Christian (that I know you are), you can't bend the Bible to support evolution. Gods days = 1 million years? So Jonah (not Youngblood) spent 3 million years in the belly of the whale? 1 day = 1 day period!
I don't understand how you can even consider evolution viable when even most evolutionists don't support traditional views of evolution anymore. In the history of written data, no one has ever seen anything evolve. No one had been able to create life where there wasn't life already. Please do your own research. Of all the people I know, I would have expected you to do your own research before believing something at face value.
Dude ... I also suggest that you read the Bible before suggesting that Adam and Eve didn't speak. Check out Genesis 3:1 through 4:26 before quoting what you don't know about the Bible. If you would like to learn more, please feel free to come down stairs
LOL. Kelly!
Tom,
With all due respect, if the Bible isn't the inspired word of God, then what makes the New Testament anymore valid then the Old Testament? If we get to decide what is true and what isn't, then all of it is subjective. If that's that case, all Christians are living by hope, not faith. If the Old Testament can't be trusted, then how can we believe that Jesus fulfilled God's Promise?
I'm sorry, but it scares me when man tries to interpret God's Word through worldly eyes. Read the Bible through eyes of Faith and there isn't any complication. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I do have to put my trust somewhere. I choose to believe in spite of not being able to prove anything. Evolutionists can't prove anything either (not saying you believe in evolution, just driving my point home). That is why it's crazy that the lie of evolution is still being propagated in schools and Creationism is considered non-academicly sound.
I have to say that this thread is definately in the right forum. The problem is that no one is going to convince anyone of anything differently then what they already believe. I just ask that anyone that jumps in to do some research before making statements about what they think rather then what they know.
With all due respect, if the Bible isn't the inspired word of God, then what makes the New Testament anymore valid then the Old Testament? If we get to decide what is true and what isn't, then all of it is subjective. If that's that case, all Christians are living by hope, not faith. If the Old Testament can't be trusted, then how can we believe that Jesus fulfilled God's Promise?
I'm sorry, but it scares me when man tries to interpret God's Word through worldly eyes. Read the Bible through eyes of Faith and there isn't any complication. I don't claim to have all the answers, but I do have to put my trust somewhere. I choose to believe in spite of not being able to prove anything. Evolutionists can't prove anything either (not saying you believe in evolution, just driving my point home). That is why it's crazy that the lie of evolution is still being propagated in schools and Creationism is considered non-academicly sound.
I have to say that this thread is definately in the right forum. The problem is that no one is going to convince anyone of anything differently then what they already believe. I just ask that anyone that jumps in to do some research before making statements about what they think rather then what they know.
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Kelly, I did say it is the inspired word of God. But, it is tainted by human comprehension.
For example, take a look at the story of the birth of Jesus in Matthew and Luke. In Matthew you have a very basic story and no mention of the census. You have two people witnessing to the same event but with two different viewpoints.
Until man clears away all the chaf of the material existence, man cannot know the true face of God. Each of us does have that ability but right now, well, let's just use this...
1 Corinthians 13: Now we see but a poor reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.
My quest is a Christian spiritual quest. My mantra in meditation is:
(While breathing in) Oh my Jesus, Son of God...
(While breathing out) Have mercy on me, a sinner.
Concentrating on the mantra, which is the Jesus Prayer and on the breathing brings me to a point of thought cessation. Thought cessation allows the mind to open and gets one closer to God. But, you need to cultivate this each day and I am.
Tom,
I know that there are many things in the Bible that don't make sense to me (or others), but if we are to assume that the Word is tainted by human comprehension, how do we know which words are and which ones aren't? I suggest that its an all or nothing proposition because if we can choose on our own what is true and what is tainted we are lost to know the truth.
I have great respect for you and I'm not challenging your Faith, but I guess I'm just going to have to repectfully disagree with your point of view on the Bible.
I know that there are many things in the Bible that don't make sense to me (or others), but if we are to assume that the Word is tainted by human comprehension, how do we know which words are and which ones aren't? I suggest that its an all or nothing proposition because if we can choose on our own what is true and what is tainted we are lost to know the truth.
I have great respect for you and I'm not challenging your Faith, but I guess I'm just going to have to repectfully disagree with your point of view on the Bible.
Do you want the real truth...?
In the beginning, God created hops, yeast and water.
The yeast was without form, and darkness was upon the face of the water.
God makes the first still, the firmament that incorporates the yeast, hops and water.
God then creates man, to build a keg and tap.
God creates special seeds.
God then creates woman, to care for seeds, and to build rolling papayas.
On the seventh day, God looks at woman's image on papaya, smokes, drinks and then rests.
So, I gotta say I'm a God dude, since trying to explain all that with evolution, takes way too much time and energy, which could put a damper on the time/space continuum, that is drifting through the worm hole in Kentucky and Tennessee...
God. Fairly simple, eh? One syllable does the whole shebang
Gotta run, Jesus, Mary and the kids are at the door...
In the beginning, God created hops, yeast and water.
The yeast was without form, and darkness was upon the face of the water.
God makes the first still, the firmament that incorporates the yeast, hops and water.
God then creates man, to build a keg and tap.
God creates special seeds.
God then creates woman, to care for seeds, and to build rolling papayas.
On the seventh day, God looks at woman's image on papaya, smokes, drinks and then rests.
So, I gotta say I'm a God dude, since trying to explain all that with evolution, takes way too much time and energy, which could put a damper on the time/space continuum, that is drifting through the worm hole in Kentucky and Tennessee...
God. Fairly simple, eh? One syllable does the whole shebang
Gotta run, Jesus, Mary and the kids are at the door...
Evolution, but as Darwin meant, not the screwed up version mostly taught today.
The first particle? Um, I don't know where it came from? Might find out later, science permitting.....
The first particle? Um, I don't know where it came from? Might find out later, science permitting.....
Holy crap.. I missed a lot of threads.. that's what I get for working.
Kelly, I think you got me wrong-- Just because people who believe in evolution stand for creationism doesn't make them right.
Don't get me wrong-- I DO NOT believe we evolved from monkeys. The Bible clearly says otherwise-- but I do believe that God gave humans and animals the ability to evolve and adapt to their surroundings. If this wasn't true, we'd be dead a long time ago... and so would those cockroaches. At the same time, assuming the universe was created in 7 days, as in 24 hour days, then science STILL cannot prove how long the big bang took place. All I'm saying is that when God created the universe... he created an order. The Big Bang has an order.
It was once said that there cannot be this much order in the universe without there being a God.
As far as Jonah and the whale.. once the sun was created, there was a difference between night and day-- but I still get your point. Even so, science cannot prove that the universe wasn't created in 7 days but it can prove that there was a big bang. When God created the universe I'm sure it wasn't like creating a PlayDough world. I'm sure he made it to be an impressive, beautiful display.
As for Adam and Eve.. you caught a HUGE typo.
"At the same time the Bible does not say that Adam and Eve SPOKE, it just shows their dialogue with God."
I was half asleep or distracted when I wrote this. A dangerous combo. I meant this:
"At the same time the Bible does not say that Adam and Eve SPOKE like we think cavemen do, it just shows their dialogue with God." Dialogue being verbal... the bible says there's no such thing as ESP so how else did they communicate. Wow.. a couple of words really screw up a thought, huh?
Kelly, I think you got me wrong-- Just because people who believe in evolution stand for creationism doesn't make them right.
Don't get me wrong-- I DO NOT believe we evolved from monkeys. The Bible clearly says otherwise-- but I do believe that God gave humans and animals the ability to evolve and adapt to their surroundings. If this wasn't true, we'd be dead a long time ago... and so would those cockroaches. At the same time, assuming the universe was created in 7 days, as in 24 hour days, then science STILL cannot prove how long the big bang took place. All I'm saying is that when God created the universe... he created an order. The Big Bang has an order.
It was once said that there cannot be this much order in the universe without there being a God.
As far as Jonah and the whale.. once the sun was created, there was a difference between night and day-- but I still get your point. Even so, science cannot prove that the universe wasn't created in 7 days but it can prove that there was a big bang. When God created the universe I'm sure it wasn't like creating a PlayDough world. I'm sure he made it to be an impressive, beautiful display.
As for Adam and Eve.. you caught a HUGE typo.
"At the same time the Bible does not say that Adam and Eve SPOKE, it just shows their dialogue with God."
I was half asleep or distracted when I wrote this. A dangerous combo. I meant this:
"At the same time the Bible does not say that Adam and Eve SPOKE like we think cavemen do, it just shows their dialogue with God." Dialogue being verbal... the bible says there's no such thing as ESP so how else did they communicate. Wow.. a couple of words really screw up a thought, huh?