Speakers and Amp Question

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djcoco707

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Aug 18, 2015
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Hello,

I am running two speakers size 18's ASI 2000w each, total 4000w. The impedance is at 4ohm. I have a phonic 2500 max power amp. I was told to purchase a 4000w amp since I am only using a total of 1050w. The remaining watts are going to the drivers etc. I have another amp crown xls 1500 drive core series and I tested this amp on my speakers and sounded way better than the 2500w amp. Though it would probably sound better if I had more watts on the crown amp. My question is do I have to buy a 4000w amp to power my 18's then? Or do I just need to buy a better amp then the phonic?

I am getting an 8-channel Mackie mixer, will this help?

I was also told to purchase powered speakers to eliminate purchasing an amp but after buying the crown amp I am convinced my speakers sound good.

Thanks.
 
no no no.

Speakers USE power - only what power is sent to them. So the speakers are CAPABLE of handling 2000w at 4ohm. I find this number way high...so what is it specifically? Peak, RMS, program or what? BIG difference in what that means.

"using 1050w" ?? where and how are you 'using' this? how are you figuring this?

Find the specs for your speakers and phonic amp and link them here!

According to the specs here, your amp is putting out (at max volume) 350w per channel (per speaker) into 4 ohm speakers.

all a mixer does is take multiple sources (mic, computer, ipod, etc) and allow you to choose which is output to the amp/speakers, and adjust the volume of each.
What are you using now?

there is a difference at times...i'm not up on the details, but the signal voltage on the line is what you're actually adjusting for more (or less) volume. It's referred to as 'gain'. some mixers can increase gain, many do not. Someone here can no doubt explain this in extreme detail, maybe even in terms I can understand.

Where are you getting your advice? In the weed filled back room of some bar? "The remaining watts are going to the drivers etc" makes it sound like it.
 
These are the specs for the crown xls 1500 amp http://www.crownaudio.com/en/products/xls-1500 and these are the specs for the phonic 2500 max power amp https://www.audioaustralia.com.au/power-amp-phonic-max-2500-2-x-750w-rms-1500w-bridged.html

I am using 525w Stereo, 4 ohms with the crown xls 1500 amp and using 750w rms at 4 ohms with the phonic 2500 amp

As I mentioned the crown gave me better quality then the phonic, I am in a facebook forum and was told to get powered speakers, or buy a bigger amp, buy a mixer to help me with gain.

I am not using a mixer at this time.
 
I would assume that the ASI '2000'w rating is their peak capacity. Nominally, you should have an amp that is capable of feeding them what they ask for. Underdriving a speaker can be worse than overdriving one. Is each speaker cabinet rated at 4 ohms .. or are you connecting them in parallel to get 4 ohms?

The answer is not simply buy equipment. It would help for you to learn what you have and its capabilities. I know nothing of the Phonic brand.
 
Please post a link to the speakers you have it is very odd that a very large group of industry professionals with years of experience with thousands of different speakers have never heard of these, I think that should be a huge warning sign as to the quality of your speakers if it were me I would sell the phonic amp and "ASI" speakers for what ever your could get, and purchase some entry level speakers from one of the more reputable companies, JBL's JRX series or Peavey's PR series can be had at a cost conscious price point and should sound miles better than what you have, your Crown amp is a decent amp and yes you will need a mixer of some sort to do this properly.

Noe as to you speakers having a 2000 watt rating, it's just marketing BS. I have Peavey model SP2 speakers from the 80's that have a rating of 150 watts now that same speaker today which hasn't changed all that much has a 2000 watt rating, internally that speaker hasn't changed that much but the rating system has
 
I do not have a link to the ASI Speakers, They are Audio Solutions. I guess I will post an ad on craigslist and ask around I have 2 18's 2 15's and 2 single 15's. I don't use them all at once, it depends on the size of the place and how many people will be attending. I don't have the money to replace all my speakers that is why I bought a better amp and saw the results so I was thinking of getting upgrading on the amp I just purchased. I liked how it sound but I do know in the long run I have to buy better speakers.
 
If the name is right, it would appear to be lithuanian:

www.audiosolutions.lt/about-us/

'Our research in designing good speakers lasted almost 8 years. By this time we tried many different enclosure'...

AudioSolutions

6moons audio reviews: AudioSolutions Rhapsody 200

SoundStage! Hi-Fi | SoundStageHiFi.com - AudioSolutions Rhapsody 80 Loudspeakers

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From what I can gather, AudioSolutions seems to be a 'hifi' / home stereo type (to include a very high cost) - with no US distibutors. They do not appear to be a DJ type of manufacturer. Looking through what I could see, there doesn't seem to be a DJ speaker, much less an 18" cabinet. Unless you paid a fortune, you may have gotten a knock off / fake. For professional grade DJ equipment, I would suggest a vendor that has alot more experience in the DJ realm with DJ applications and environments.

Again, your equipment does need to match up if you want it to perform properly.
 
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Yes, I just saw the links and those are not the speakers I am using. I am trying to upload some pictures but not sure how to do it here.
 
so the 1st ones are the 18's and attached the specs of those and the second ones are the 15's which I have 2 of those as well. I had to replace the speakers as they had popped previously so the box is ASI but the speakers are now Eminence Beta 15 A 300 watts.
 
Can you get clearer pictures? labels / logos from both boxes? The electronics inside the box (if there is any) also affects how the box performs - to include how much power it will take. Simply changing a driver may not change the power rating of said box. Changing the driver may also change how the box reacts.

Most (if not all) of your posts have been about these speakers. I'm thinking these may be 'white van' deals, as specified earlier. If they are 'white van' deals, you may want to drop them in favor of brand name professional gear.
 
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Yep, I'd get what you can for them and move on to some trustworthy gear.


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They seem to be similar to Gem Sound, Technical Pro, etc. like this one: TR-300-2.jpg

Could not find a single mention of ASI ... Not sure I would invest a lot in them.

Before you buy anything, you need to decide what it is you are expecting to use these for. There are folks that do event with a single pair of powered 12" tops .. no sub .. not typical, but is fine depending on what you need for carry, SPL, coverage, sound quality.

If you're trying to cover a rap concert for 300-500 kids .. these aren't the right tools. If you're doing weddings, these are probably not the right tools. Most double 15/18s are used for live sound, since they usually don't pole mount BUT you still need to get them high enough to get the HF section above people's heads, so typically they are on a stage or some sort of riser.
 
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I am a Mobile DJ, I DJ Weddings, 15'eras, Birthdays, Fashion Shows, School Events, etc. Do I really have to purchase powered speakers? Can I just buy some other speakers?
 
You don't need powered speakers, no. I don't care for them myself.

We would all recommend different speakers though, and it's your choice whether you go powered or passive. The key is sticking with good name brands.


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No, you don't. You can run a passive system, but it needs to be reliable and better quality. I'm a hobbyist but run different systems for different types of events and they are all passive.
 
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