Spotify - crossing over to the dark side

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I mentioned my son's first gig this past Saturday, a 13-year old birthday party for a girl at a country club (nice event). My son and I were both scratching our heads at what to play during the first hour (non-dancing). I finally said, "Let's try the spotify thing." like my Jewish-DJ friend does at Mitzvahs. I searched "teen pop", plugged in and let it roll. When we hit dance time, my son introduced himself then took over song selection duties. I have to admit, it worked like a charm. It set the perfect tone and made our lives easier to boot. Yea, probably against TOS but if it works, it works.
 
Spotify?? Really? Now that to me is a new low...

Not my first choice either but it's a tool in the arsenal and more are using it than not

15+ years ago we were saying the same about Laptops
 
Similar to Spotify, PulseLocker (a DJ specific streaming service) is integrated into Serato and PCDJ .. the future is streaming.
 
It seems that helping your son out these past months has given you a first-hand visit into the life of the inexpensive DJ.
You have proven that when not much is expected, not much has to be provided. Yet, there is still money to be made and successful
events to be had. You're not a bottom feeder or a black eye to the industry. You're simply filling the need for basic service.

On the flip side, you passed on a great teaching moment. Becoming knowledgeable and in touch with the room during non-dancing times
will help with what happens later. Background music doesn't have to be white noise.
 
ok, you convinced me to go look at this streaming stuff.

I use VDJ - i can see, without subscribing, what songs they offer.
I subsribe to apply music - it's on my phone when I need a song I fetch it there and use my mixer to play it. I always DL to the phone - just to be sure. I've not tried to find that music on my laptop.
I used to use spotify..kids wanted applemusic instead.
Googling also turned up Napster (aka rhapsody) as an option as I read you can play the songs from their folder - no DRM issues so the songs will show in VDJ as 'native' files like a ripped/bought MP3.
I've had issues finding songs, common ones IMO, on Apple Music in the past. So I've not been a big fan of streaming.

OK..so my questions..

how do you play songs EASILY - ideally from within your DJ software, right? SO that's a few choices in VDJ, content unlimited or spotify are the two I looked at.

Wedding next weekend and the couple has given me a list of stuff, lots of 90s songs, that I don't have (some I should..some, well, why?)

For example, some Goo Goo dolls, fine. Alterbridge? not so much.

And there in lies the challenge, the same one I've had with applemusic..the only way to get the songs i need is to BUY them. Fine for some - but since the BG gave me a list weeks in advance it's bad form to show up and say, no, I don't have that song.

Many of what's on their list is NOT on rhapsody (aka napster), content unlimited either. So that's kinda useless.

But if I can get the songs for $10/mo instead of spending 20-30 per wedding...there is incentive there to keep trying.

So Spotify..you need the premium version to use it from within VDJ. Now I'm at home on wifi, good signal, broadband uprated in speed - so it's working but still not as fast as finding files ON the computer itself. HOWever, they do show up, I can drag them to playlists, cue them up, etc. Just like any MP3.
AND better yet I found EVERY song.

On the spotify 'app' (aka program since it's a windows computer) it's fast and every song played - currently downloading some 40 songs (put in a playlist, then dl - so can play them with no wi-fi should their venue not have it - and I suspect it won't...it's an OLD OLD orthodox catholic church and hall in an old section of an old town).

Now the bad part...not sure if the DL is the issue, or it's indexing my music (all my itunes playlists show up under the spotify folder in VDJ), or it's doing something else..limtied or broken...but it loaded a song v e r y s l o w l y...then the next few..nada.

I don't know if it downloads them or I have to be on wifi to get them withing VDJ...more to figure out, but it's promising.

And $120 a year is a lot cheaper than any pool or buying music..if it works.

If I can only access them from the spotify program it's a tad more challenging to mix them in...ideas? other than using a second laptop?
 
Well...I looked up the Virtual DJ/Spotify deal...apparently there is some sort of plug in I would need to download? I have the latest 8.2 VDJ version updated, and I don't see any Spotifiy in my options?

Anyway, as far as DJPRO Beta version, I've been playing around with it while I have been on vacation. I am currently using 4 decks, and it's pretty awesome! It's such a easy user interface in 4 decks mode. I am impressed! ...This is what I have been doing at night time after my Son falls asleep and we are in for the night! :)

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Not to sidetrack, and in no way am I bashing or attacking anyone... but its important to note the differences and how this right here is a prime example of what really does separate the mentality of a dj from one to the next. I was quick to notice the line "My son and I were both scratching our heads at what to play during the first hour (non-dancing)". That is something I hear all the time as being the hardest part of the night to figure out. A more personalized (you may call it high end) approach would have handled this WAY differently.

I ask all my private events (Weddings and Teen Events alike) what kind of atmosphere they desire as guest are coming in. For teen events its typically Are they looking for current top radio hits that are sing along friendly, but not necessarily danceable and at a volume where they can comfortably talk... are they looking for songs that they specifically like that normally wouldn't be played during a dance set, but definitely want to hear at some point... or perhaps theyre looking for a lounge/club atmosphere, where we take songs that are normally not danceable and play dance remixes of them as guests are walking in. Whatever the answer is, we ask to make sure we create the right mood they're desiring. We also do this for dinner too, so the question of what do we play is non existent.

I'm noticing people getting caught up in spotify services and such, which by utilizing, only shows the onlookers that what we do is nothing special and anyone can do with simple consumer grade products/services and no skill necessary. I mean if someone walks by and sees a spotify autogenerated playlist... why hire a dj when anyone can do the same thing. For those already attracting low to mid range clients, they'll just start saying why do you charge so much if all you do is play spotify playlists. If you want to have it accessible for those what if moments... fair enough... but 95% of the time we should never ever have to obtain outside tracks because we should have asked our clients the right detailed questions to know exactly what kind of atmosphere and music is needed for every moment of their particular night. On top of it, as a DJ, what makes us unique is that we should be doing our research in music daily or weekly to obtain those edits and remixes of songs that people don't hear too often or ever. That's one of the truly unique things that separates a real DJ from any shortcut method out there.
 
Taso hit it on the head. The dj should set the tone in the beginning with either knowing what to play by asking the client prior in a meeting. Or you can just be be knowledgeable with your music and create a musical bed of music that will let the people walking in know that this party is going to kick ass.
 
Taso hit it on the head. The dj should set the tone in the beginning with either knowing what to play by asking the client prior in a meeting. Or you can just be be knowledgeable with your music and create a musical bed of music that will let the people walking in know that this party is going to kick ass.

Great music played on a killer sound system, the absolute #1 thing a DJ should do.

On top of it, as a DJ, what makes us unique is that we should be doing our research in music daily or weekly to obtain those edits and remixes of songs that people don't hear too often or ever. That's one of the truly unique things that separates a real DJ from any shortcut method out there.

Plus doing your own mixes that fit with the vibe your getting from the dancers. This is certainly harder for the wedding DJ, but it can still be done if you've got a bunch of special songs, beat analyzed with ques and loops ready to go. I am not talking about mixing all evening - just those unique moments we all see that happen on the dance floor.
 
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Not to sidetrack, and in no way am I bashing or attacking anyone... but its important to note the differences and how this right here is a prime example of what really does separate the mentality of a dj from one to the next. I was quick to notice the line "My son and I were both scratching our heads at what to play during the first hour (non-dancing)". That is something I hear all the time as being the hardest part of the night to figure out. A more personalized (you may call it high end) approach would have handled this WAY differently.

I ask all my private events (Weddings and Teen Events alike) what kind of atmosphere they desire as guest are coming in. For teen events its typically Are they looking for current top radio hits that are sing along friendly, but not necessarily danceable and at a volume where they can comfortably talk... are they looking for songs that they specifically like that normally wouldn't be played during a dance set, but definitely want to hear at some point... or perhaps theyre looking for a lounge/club atmosphere, where we take songs that are normally not danceable and play dance remixes of them as guests are walking in. Whatever the answer is, we ask to make sure we create the right mood they're desiring. We also do this for dinner too, so the question of what do we play is non existent.

I'm noticing people getting caught up in spotify services and such, which by utilizing, only shows the onlookers that what we do is nothing special and anyone can do with simple consumer grade products/services and no skill necessary. I mean if someone walks by and sees a spotify autogenerated playlist... why hire a dj when anyone can do the same thing. For those already attracting low to mid range clients, they'll just start saying why do you charge so much if all you do is play spotify playlists. If you want to have it accessible for those what if moments... fair enough... but 95% of the time we should never ever have to obtain outside tracks because we should have asked our clients the right detailed questions to know exactly what kind of atmosphere and music is needed for every moment of their particular night. On top of it, as a DJ, what makes us unique is that we should be doing our research in music daily or weekly to obtain those edits and remixes of songs that people don't hear too often or ever. That's one of the truly unique things that separates a real DJ from any shortcut method out there.

You've got at least three different things in there that are probably better not lumped togaeher.

First, is the issue of being integrated with the event process and client desires. This is a quality inherent in entertainers and event planners - not DJs, and certainly not at this particular level of operation. The bulk of disc jockeys at this level are too self-centric and resource light to be anything other than bar tenders of music, specifically music they prefer. They are not really conscious of the entirety of the event, and instead are drawn to what is easy, cheap, and commonly available.

Second, is the issue of Spotify, etc. If you fully understand what you are trying to create - then the algorithms these services deploy is a great resource to access artists and selections consistent with your ideas but beyond the scope of your personal knowledge and catalog. It expands your knowledge base in ways you could never otherwise access. I love the way these programs introduce me to works that fit perfectly into what I want to do but would never have found on my own. However, this approach presumes we are seeking input and a compliment to our ability not simply substitution by way of automation. Click it and forget it is not responsible entertainment, or being a DJ.

Finally, is the issue of remixes. I do a lot of staging and get to hear many different DJs. By far, the biggest failure of DJs is their understanding and expectation of remixes - and what a bad idea using a lot of them can be. Nothing kills a dance floor faster than f**king with the arrangement of a hit song. A good remix energizes a song without changing the arrangement or eliminating the elements that made it a hit in the first place. To that end IMO the age of quality useful remixing ended around 1998. Most of what's out there today is crap.

In the club, the lack of visual energy inherent with DJs is made up for with professional dancers. These are people embedded in the room who behave like guests but are actually dancers hired to energize the space. Remixes work in a club for two reasons - because we always have lead dancers available, and the regular clientele could predict parts of the program is we repeated material often enough.

I quit using remixes when I left the clubs because a mobile gig is very different. People want to hear the music the way they know it - which is usually the radio version, or a remix that stays true to that arrangement. Staying true to what the average person on the dance floor is familiar with is key to building up a momentum and keeping it all night. Given the state of digital mixing there's plenty of room to alter the mix of conventional radio version to create the breaks and beats needed if you have the mix skills.

Mobile DJs often rely too heavily remixes to differentiate themselves on the erroneous assumption that new or different is better - and it's not. It's just uncomfortable and creates an obstacle between the crowd and what you promised you could do as a mobile DJ. I can't count how often I see a DJ scratching his head to a weak or empty dance floor while listening to odd snippets of what used to be a song mixed with puke from a drum machine. The cue needed by non-professional dancers is comfort and predictability in the music and if you screw with that in a mobile setting you a will undermine your effectiveness and results.
 
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Setting a tone is exactly correct, and that's exactly what we did. Whether you like or agree with the tool is inconsequential. A kid's birthday party is not something we do on a regular basis. This was a cut-rate, non-prime date, and we picked up something we typically don't do on a regular basis. I could have searched manually through my library but when you have a tool that fills the need, and does it so effectively, why? Ego? Pride? Being able to claim you're "high-end"? No thank you. I'm going to use the tool that fits the job, end of story.
 
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Bob Were you left speechless lol
 
Nope.
On the left where the folders are located is one called 'online' or something like that. Under it are folders, one of which is Spotify. right click, log in.
Now the log in is NOT your normal spotify log in..you need a device specific login which you get from spotify..it's one of those long computer generated deals, and in spotify you pick your PW.

Well...I looked up the Virtual DJ/Spotify deal...apparently there is some sort of plug in I would need to download? I have the latest 8.2 VDJ version updated, and I don't see any Spotifiy in my options?

Anyway, as far as DJPRO Beta version, I've been playing around with it while I have been on vacation. I am currently using 4 decks, and it's pretty awesome! It's such a easy user interface in 4 decks mode. I am impressed! ...This is what I have been doing at night time after my Son falls asleep and we are in for the night! :)

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Setting a tone is exactly correct, and that's exactly what we did. Whether you like or agree with the tool is inconsequential. A kid's birthday party is not something we do on a regular basis. This was a cut-rate, non-prime date, and we picked up something we typically don't do on a regular basis. I could have searched manually through my library but when you have a tool that fills the need, and does it so effectively, why? Ego? Pride? Being able to claim you're "high-end"? No thank you. I'm going to use the tool that fits the job, end of story.

I think his point was not stay conscious of trends that will walk you right out the back door; which is when those gigs you don't regularly do lead you straight to regularly doing nothing.
 
Nope.
On the left where the folders are located is one called 'online' or something like that. Under it are folders, one of which is Spotify. right click, log in.
Now the log in is NOT your normal spotify log in..you need a device specific login which you get from spotify..it's one of those long computer generated deals, and in spotify you pick your PW.

I don't see it there. This is a screen shot of what I see:

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