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ahoustondj

ahoustondj

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Aug 13, 2007
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OK Folks! I need some education on this. Lets suppose I am doing music in one area and I want to have music from another system in another area without running speaker wires etc, what do I need to get. What would the connections be at source and satellite setup? I also need to know the pros and cons about these devices.
 
:sqerr: Nobody has any answers? Should I call Guitar Center or maybe even Radio Shack? :sqeek:
 
ahoustondj said:
OK Folks! I need some education on this. Lets suppose I am doing music in one area and I want to have music from another system in another area without running speaker wires etc, what do I need to get. What would the connections be at source and satellite setup? I also need to know the pros and cons about these devices.
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Assuming you want the "other"system to send music to another area I would simply use a wireless LAV / mic "Transmitter" unit connected to your "Booth"out on one end and then connect the "receiver unit to a powered speaker. And daisy chain another speaker if you want two speakers.

You may need a special cable from your receiver jack to your XLR connection on your mixer. I used this for Ceremony music from my main unit at times when wire is not an option up to 300 feet away.
 
Another option if you're going to have a canned playlist in that other area (ie background dinner music etc) would be a simple mp3 player stick velcroed to the back of a powered speaker. nice and easy, only a single power cable and no worries about sound quality due to interference.
 
You don't connect the transmitter at the remote location, but the receiver. The transmitter is the body pack. Done this many times. Works if you want the same music played at both locations. If it's in the same room, you may need some kind of delay device to synch the sound. I don't know much about that myself.
 
A couple of ideas

Houston, I recall there have been several threads on this topic. I had made my mind up on the Phonic WM Sys4 mostly because it was within the realm of the possible, about $350. It also featured balanced line in and line out. Unfortunately it is being phased out as it used spectrum above 700MHz. The Phonic W5 has replaced it. The W5 works on 2.4GHz. Unbalanced RCA in and out. Dunno much about it.

http://www.phonic.com/index.php?target=products&product_id=6000084


This (Lectrosonics) is the all out pro solution. Unfortunately the price is well, telephone numbers (about $3500.00 for a transmit/receive pair). Then again, you get four channels for that price and one heck of a wireless return snake if you do live sound. There may be other single or dual channel Lectrosonics solutions but I'm not feeling that industrious this morning. In any case, I'm guessing Lectrosonics will be over a grand for a system.

http://www.lectrosonics.com/wireless/digital/d4/d4.htm


For you guys that like the Shure body pack solution and mourn the use of batteries (in the bodypack) and their imminent low voltage, Shure makes a battery eliminator.
http://www.shure.com/ProAudio/Products/Accessories/us_pro_PS9US_content

P.S. I believe it was DougF that had another moderately priced wireless line level in/out solution. He posted info on it maybe a year ago but I can't find it. He may recall the post better than I do.
 
Ben had recently posted a wireless sound solution. Too tired to search for it myself. Maybe he'll chime in...

Or you could simply call him.
 
We're using a sennheiser transmitter/receiver. Essentially, an audio in-ear monitor... we can use the outputs to convert from a mini plug to quarter inch stereo.
 
We have made a number of cables that go from dual RCA to TA4F for Shure or EV bodypack transmitters, just use the wireless system as described above. We can also make these cables for Sennheiser, AT, AKG and more... but the most common ones have been EV and Shure to date. We pad the signal down to mic level so it doesn't overmodulate the transmitter.

Ben
 
silver fox said:
Assuming you want the "other"system to send music to another area I would simply use a wireless LAV / mic "Transmitter" unit connected to your "Booth"out on one end and then connect the "receiver unit to a powered speaker. And daisy chain another speaker if you want two speakers.

You may need a special cable from your receiver jack to your XLR connection on your mixer. I used this for Ceremony music from my main unit at times when wire is not an option up to 300 feet away.
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Would I not need two (One for left and the other for right channel)? Kinda expensive option isn't it?
 
Yeah, a couple of Sheckles

Yeah it is an expensive solution. Unless you are using the ULXP/ULXS units as part of your wireless mic system it is hard to justify the cost. A generous equipment budget might make it easier.

I'd also consider going mono before rejecting the idea. Additionally consider used, oops, formerly owned equipment. The Shure ULX is as bulletproof as it gets.
 
Just a reminder, unless you need the distance / coverage benefits of UHF - Go VHF not only for the cost savings, but also because the sound quality will be so much more full.
 
From what I have read, it seems to me that if the Music Program is going to be the same played in both areas simultaneously then a transmitter and receiver will be needed.
If the two locations need different Music Programs at the same time, I'll have to hire additional manpower.
Thanks for all the help.
 
ahoustondj said:
Would I not need two (One for left and the other for right channel)? Kinda expensive option isn't it?
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Not really, you would bridge from the one remote speaker to the other. (Cables only) if you want Two (Powered) Speakers...

I assume you already have a portable wireless LAV system so you would only need a cable connection from your LAV transmitter to your Mixer.
 
ahoustondj said:
From what I have read, it seems to me that if the Music Program is going to be the same played in both areas simultaneously then a transmitter and receiver will be needed.
If the two locations need different Music Programs at the same time, I'll have to hire additional manpower.
Thanks for all the help.
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Can you not send different Music from your mixer to separate outputs ? Main & Booth out (Zones) ? You could then just monitor your main and Zoned area from a single point. (Your main unit).
 
silver fox said:
Can you not send different Music from your mixer to separate outputs ? Main & Booth out (Zones) ? You could then just monitor your main and Zoned area from a single point. (Your main unit).
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I can do that from my DJ Program and Laptop (Two separate Sound Cards) however, if I can't see or hear what is transpiring in the other area, it won't work well.
 
How So?

PeteT said:
Just a reminder, unless you need the distance / coverage benefits of UHF - Go VHF not only for the cost savings, but also because the sound quality will be so much more full.
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Pete, when you say "more full" do you mean full fidelity? Conversely does this mean UHF systems are less than full fidelity?

I'd suggest that any differences you have experienced between VHF and UHF systems is due to implementation rather than the frequency itself. Neither is intrinsically better due to their frequency allocation. The advantage for UHF lies in the greater amount of frequency spectrum available. This allows more frequency slots to be assigned but in and of itself [assuming no RF interference] neither is superior nor inferior to the other.

That said, few would argue that the finest and newest systems are using UHF frequency allocations.
 
Bill Kexel said:
Why not buy a powered speaker, plug an MP3 player (preloaded with the proper music on it)

Is this just for dinner/cocktail music?
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First of all I do not like Powered Speakers. Second, the music program will have to be the same. Example, I am playing indoors but need the same music outdoors on a smoking deck. Get the picture? Third, I do not like using methods that amateurs can easily duplicate i.e preloaded music on an i pod or mp3 player, unless absolutely necessary.
 
Depending on where you're located and the remote site is located there are lots of ways to do this.

I've used bodypack microphone setups to do this and it works.

I've used A/V solutions from Radio Shack (about $100) and they work.

I've used a Galaxy Audio AS-1000.

They all have their pros and cons. But in the end the limitations are from RF transmissions more than anything else. The antennae need to be high on each end and you need to understand the limitations of the distance between the two sites.

My personal favorite is the Galaxy Audio AS line for this sort of thing. If I required video, I'd use the Radio Shack setup.

BTW, I've used the Radio Shack setup in bars to cut down on the cabling for monitors and video and it's worked VERY well - but the distances are short.
 
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