You Banned From Google Yet ?

The link is a cheap sales pitch. The product is $197 and basically here's the secret: Facebook advertising. Doing some research, it looks like this Ryan Deiss is a huckster for online marketing products.

I was actually tempted by the $197 offer...but you can figure out most of the facebook advertising things yourself.

Interesting link though!

Big Dan said:

$197 to learn facebook advertising, that's laughable.

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Damn right!

And, my new DVD course, will show you how to beat this dude, for only $139.95!


Don't Wait! - Don't Hesitate!


The future is NOW, your money is out there, your destiny awaits you...

SoftJock Rick said:

Damn right!

And, my new DVD course, will show you how to beat this dude, for only $139.95!


Don't Wait! - Don't Hesitate!


The future is NOW, your money is out there, your destiny awaits you...

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My DVD course is only 129 so 129 GBP that is

The difference between us and Ryan Deiss is about $15 million. We all scoff at paying $197 for a system that will probably save most people twice that much in advertising mistakes. I don't always defend these guys but I do actually know that Ryan Deiss is the real deal and has had mountains of success marketing online.

Is his program for everybody? No. Can it help? Only if you actually use it. I've known about this system for a couple of weeks now while I've been watching to see the results of other online marketers. There are plenty of people getting excellent results. Sure we can all figure this out on our own just like we did when we learned to DJ.

Now if I was to sell a product that could help a potential DJ start-up a business and avoid all of the mistakes that newbies make, would you scoff at that? Or would it make good business sense to educate yourself before you take the steps and make the investments. How many of you at one time made a bad business decision, bought equipment that you thought was good but wasn't, put your advertising dollars in the wrong place? How much did that cost? More than $197? If I could sell you information that would save you at least double what you paid, would you buy it?

Here are some stats about Facebook.

It has over 39 BILLION page views a month, and:
More than 400 million active users
50% of our active users use it in any given day
More than 35 million users update their status each day
More than 60 million status updates posted each day
More than 3 billion photos uploaded to the site each month
More than 5 billion pieces of content (web links, news stories, blog posts, notes, photo albums, etc.) shared each week
More than 3.5 million events created each month

It is also now only second to Google for searching. That's a big audience and you can target by location, age, marital status, interests. Sounds like a winning advertising formula to me.

Before you ask, no I didn't invest but I am thinking about it. If i wanted to take my DJ business to the next level, I would consider it. When I get my new project going, it may be a worthwhile investment.

young...

DJEP Troy said:

The link is a cheap sales pitch. The product is $197 and basically here's the secret: Facebook advertising. Doing some research, it looks like this Ryan Deiss is a huckster for online marketing products.

I was actually tempted by the $197 offer...but you can figure out most of the facebook advertising things yourself.

Interesting link though!

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The main part of the program is to avoid doing the wrong thing and getting your Facebook account banned. When they ban your account, you lose all of the ad money you had invested. Also keep in mind that all of these online marketers have spent the last 10 years mastering Google and then Google shut down most of their accounts for no real reason other than calling these guys spammers. The problem with that is that what they are doing is super smart.

They just search Google adwords (among others) for the most searched terms. When they find keywords within a million hits, they provide a program or service that addresses the needs of the people doing those searches. They are target marketing, finding a niche. They are doing the same things we are doing only on a larger scale.

We look for a target audience at bridal shows, the knot, wedding forums. Then we sell them our services. Sound familiar? What is the reputation of guys like Peter merry and the Worth guy? Some think he's spam while others love the products. That's what makes the internet so great, millions upon millions of people use it and you can navigate away from anything you don't like in a nano-second.

young...

DJ Young said:

...Google shut down most of their accounts for no real reason other than calling these guys spammers. The problem with that is that what they are doing is super smart.

They just search Google adwords (among others) for the most searched terms. When they find keywords within a million hits, they provide a program or service that addresses the needs of the people doing those searches. They are target marketing, finding a niche. They are doing the same things we are doing only on a larger scale.

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I disagree...

Being a DJ is a job (or career) -- whatever you want to call it. It involves working.

These spammers just prey on peoples searches and whims, and everybody else's hard work that might match up to that, to make a quick buck with little effort -- like playing the stock market.

I'd kick them off too.

SoftJock Rick said:

I disagree...

Being a DJ is a job (or career) -- whatever you want to call it. It involves working.

These spammers just prey on peoples searches and whims, and everybody else's hard work that might match up to that, to make a quick buck with little effort -- like playing the stock market.

I'd kick them off too.

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Most of them have spent a lot of time developing software. That has to be worth something. Most of what these guys sell are information based products but there is some software included.

You know where most of these guys make their big money. Affiliate marketing and joint ventures. They sell their expert marketing skills to people with products and they both make out well.

Frank Kern made over $600 000 in 6 months selling an e-book that taught people how to teach a parrot to talk. He now makes over $1 million/year marketing a dog walking service among his many other businesses. They find a niche where people are willing to spend money and then they provide a product or service that fills their needs.

young...

I'm not questioning the money making abilities of the scheme Chris -- just the integrity...

We used to call that "jobbing" in the past -- you connect the customer with the supplier for a fee.


I did some work for a few in Florida. One guy had his hands in everything, and they way I met him, was he put an ad in the paper looking for computer techs, and I did not have a decent job at the time (I was captaining small charters for extra money). He would go around marketing his "companies" expertise in the field of computer repairs and networking (the only thing he knew about computers, was how to turn one on). But he had a company name.

I consider it sorta like a matchmaking service -- in other words, the customer could get the same service, for less price, without using the middleman.


Most jobbers I've met, have far less morals than the average gang member I've met. In the end, it's not "expert marketing skills", it's pure BS ability... :sqerr:


In this case, it's selling the knowledge to do something, that anybody who reads the manual can do.

That's exactly it though Rick. many people could save money by looking up the information themselves but they would rather pay somebody to do it for them.

In a day and age when we have become paralyzed from information overload, we look for an expert who has already found a way. This is capitalism at its best, it has been around since the dawn of time.

People are lazy, they don't want to do the homework, they want to pay someone else to do it. I could represent myself in court but I would be better suited to paying a lawyer, he has the knowledge. I could perform my own open heart surgery but a specialist with more information would be better suited for the job. I know these examples are a little extreme but you get what i'm saying.

I could write my own DJ software but it would take me a long time to learn how so I pay for an already built program. Why? because it would save me potentially a lot of time, money, and headaches figuring it out. Why reinvent the wheel? Why not just pay for a program that does what I want and put the time I've saved into doing something more productive like making money (Djing). Why do you provide DJ software? Because you saw a need for it and had the skills to make it happen. Now you make a living at it.

young...

DJ Young said:

That's exactly it though Rick. many people could save money by looking up the information themselves but they would rather pay somebody to do it for them.

In a day and age when we have become paralyzed from information overload, we look for an expert who has already found a way. This is capitalism at its best, it has been around since the dawn of time.

People are lazy, they don't want to do the homework, they want to pay someone else to do it. I could represent myself in court but I would be better suited to paying a lawyer, he has the knowledge. I could perform my own open heart surgery but a specialist with more information would be better suited for the job. I know these examples are a little extreme but you get what i'm saying.

I could write my own DJ software but it would take me a long time to learn how so I pay for an already built program. Why? because it would save me potentially a lot of time, money, and headaches figuring it out. Why reinvent the wheel? Why not just pay for a program that does what I want and put the time I've saved into doing something more productive like making money (Djing). Why do you provide DJ software? Because you saw a need for it and had the skills to make it happen. Now you make a living at it.

young...

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I agree -- people are lazy (and many stupid as well)


But the problem I see with most of these jobber schemes, is they are fly by night snake oil salesman! They do not care what particular product they push, and they are not there when the customer needs help -- they refer them to the people that actually did the work.


I have people calling me all the time, asking if I will do seminars on how to use Rockit. They are willing to pay big bucks for travel, lodging, my time, etc., and lose a couple days worth of their time. When the bottom line is, if they would take a few hours to familiarize themselves with the product, read the manual, and practice -- they would have their answers.

I won't do it -- I don't feel right taking their money for something they can do in less time, and for less money -- and for knowledge I freely give away here, and on my support forums and emails.

Heck, I could write a Computer DJ For Dummies book, and retire. But why? I like my job, I sleep well, it pays the bills, and I enjoy helping people and writing software.



I just find these jobber marketing schemes to be against my personal code of conduct (yes, I actually do have one of those)


It's not all about the money man.

As Jimmy would say "I've made enough money, to buy Miami -- But I pissed it away so fast". To succeed in life, you need to love what you do, sleep well, and make enough to pay the bills, and buy the beer.

Jeff Romard said:

I dunno I've never felt guilty about providing a service someone needed and I could provide....

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How will you sleep tonight Jeff? :sqerr:

Probably have a copy of the Turner Diaries under yer mattress -- damn commie, redneck, socialist, conservative bastard you!



BTW, you provided the service yourself, did the work, and probably took pride in that work


Do you think the snake oil marketers do...?

Banned from Google? Hmm, there's one I'm not banned from, but I'm working on it.

I thought it was a good idea to try the facebook advertising angle. Why not? I spent a few minutes and set up the account sent out a few invites. Made my little thumbnail add and set up the demographic I wanted it sent to. It took less than an hour and cost $0 at least until people started hitting the ad. Which costs me $.23 a click.

Here's the link, feel free to shred at will.

http://www.facebook.com/pages/Pulse-Audio/344123248034?ref=mf