Actually, the EVOX 12 is a bit better there .. it has a 90 deg horizontal pattern, whereas the EVOX 8 is 135 degrees (if I recall correctly). The EVOX 8 is not a great outdoor speaker, the EVOX 12 is better.
Also I'm assuming you aren't running with any high pass filter engaged?
Once proper gain is set as per Steve's recommendation and you have experimented with the results from that, try inserting a high pass at 45-50hz and see if you can push any more out of it before it limits.
It may not help depending on how any internal dsp or x-over is already setup to protect the system but a hpf will at least tell you if the low freqs are the cause.
I agree, but a 45-50hz hpf might allow you to wring a little more out of it while still giving you the low end kick you need.The sound needs to stay balanced.
Wow, you are correct. I'm getting my EVOX's mixed up. I looked at the 12's spec sheet a lot closer, and at least on paper, I think it should have done a lot better than Ross described. Is there any way to adjust the DSP besides that loudness (boost) switch?Actually, the EVOX 12 is a bit better there .. it has a 90 deg horizontal pattern, whereas the EVOX 8 is 135 degrees (if I recall correctly). The EVOX 8 is not a great outdoor speaker, the EVOX 12 is better.
No .. just the "bass boost" for low volume use .. and a mic/line switch, which might affect the limiting. It is something I would have liked on it .. can't even adjust the balance between the bass unit and the linear array unit (though it seems to be fine).Wow, you are correct. I'm getting my EVOX's mixed up. I looked at the 12's spec sheet a lot closer, and at least on paper, I think it should have done a lot better than Ross described. Is there any way to adjust the DSP besides that loudness (boost) switch?
I agree, but a 45-50hz hpf might allow you to wring a little more out of it while still giving you the low end kick you need.
Most of these all in one array systems are a compromise of some sort either through design or internal dsp or a combination thereof, so regardless of what the spec sheet may say about their freq response, if you really want the bass you would still need fill subs anyways.
Try adding a high pass butterworth filter at 40 Hz or a little higher with a 24 dB/octave slope for starters. RCF lists the frequency range starts at 40 Hz, but does not list it as -3 dB , -6 dB, or -10 dB. As with most powered speakers they don't list if any high pass filter is engaged and what it is set as. You may get louder punch and greater headroom by adding your own hpf. Send only frequencies the speakers can handle as designed.
One other thing just to add to this edit, you can't really expect/compare this system alone to match the bass output and extension of your 181s. As stated earlier most of the time on these systems the limitations are usually first with the bass before the mid/top limitations.
Yes and No. Here's what happens. The double 15's can move as much air as a single 18, so they should be able to get as loud, but their frequency response still remains the same. Unfortunately, QSC doesn't publish a frequency response graph for the KW181, just two numbers. It's -6db @ 40 Hz, and -10db @ 37 Hz. Looking at the graph of the EVOX 12, it looks about -10db @ 40 Hz and maybe -15 db @ 37 Hz - you are loosing the really low frequencies, and that doesn't change by adding more of them when they are not coupled - they just get louder, not lower.I was running a single 181 under K10 tops. I thought dual 15s should at least be able to hang with a single 18.
Perhaps that is what you are not hearing?
Why not do a Speaker Shoot Out? Set up Your EVOX12 system, and your EVs with Whatever other Sub you have and compare the sound differences.
If the EVOX12 is as loud as your ZLX Speakers then maybe it's just the different type of sound you are having an issue deciphering.
I don't have a problem using a single TSUB12 and 2 TS110As for a wedding with 175 to 200 guests. That is a $900 sound system. I can't believe a EVOX12 would have trouble handling a 200 guest wedding. Especially for the cost of a pair of those.
I'm slammed through October.
What did you get, the Vertus CS 1000?I listened to the Evox then bought FBT it was much louder and cleaner
Count your blessings. We should all be so lucky.
I certainly didn't just fall ass backwards into a bunch of gigs.
...but I didn't like the look of the "pot-bellied" subwoofer.