Pyle PPA450 and Pyle PADH212

If I were to buy some affordable gear right now, I would buy Behringer.

They have the best of the best manufacturing facilities right now, and can duplicate anything, for a reasonable price. Their components are not the best quality, but certainly not the worst, and their quality control seems excellent.

Everything I've purchased from them in the last 5 years or so, has been of excellent quality and precision. I don't have experience with their gear from the old days, so I have not got any horror stories to tell, like some who have.


BTW, when I got that Gemini mixer, it was considered state of the art, and cost a pretty penny. It's lived up to every penny as well

That list reflects a colaberation of gear reviews from a number of different DJs. Agree or not, I even disagree with some of it, most notably American Audio. I'm sure there are exceptions to every rule, but this was general concensus about the average quality of gear from each company.

There are mediocre brands producing some great products like for example Vocopro's UHF5000 and some of the gemini gear you guys have repeatedly mentioned in the past. The problem with some of these companies is that across the board they still leave much to be desired.

Take for example Gemini's speakers. To a new DJ they look fantastic, "wow 4 tweeters, this is gonna sound GOODDD!" when in actuality those speakers were designed by someone who did not have much knowledge of audio theory, or he would have known about the comb filtering caused by the tweeters, especially pizo tweeters side by side. Now, Gemini does offer some better products, I have a UHF Lav mic from gemini, and its been great for 4 years now. I still wouldn't consider Gemini good gear unless I could go across the board and trust every one of their products, not just a few. Thats just my opinion, take it for what you want.

I did not edit this list at all, I took it straight from the other site. They are all really into the Bill Fitz custom cabinets, and do not think very highly of Bose, which would explain its middle of the road category.

Again, this is just a general outline, so take it for what you want, but please lets keep it professional and if you don't agree and can explain it out please do, but if not lets keep the gear flaming out of this thread.

Brian said:

Equipment on this list is very poor in every way. These companies have poor designs, use cheap materials and drivers, and their products are not reliable. AVOID!!!

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and you have nerve enough to say no gear flaming?

patrickrlewis said:

and you have nerve enough to say no gear flaming?

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Brian said:

I did not edit this list at all, I took it straight from the other site.

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The same goes for the comments on the list, they aren't mine. Just google that line you quoted and you can find the original, or pm me and I'll link you.

Doug said:

It says it is a PA

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Passport-Deluxe-PD250-Portable-PA?sku=480665

Here are their newest PA speakers, different than the ones I looked at.

http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.com/product/Fender-Ace-1515-2Way-Speaker-Cabinet?sku=601718

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You believe everything you read? Years of experience will tell you better.

Brian said:

That list reflects a colaberation of gear reviews from a number of different DJs. Agree or not, I even disagree with some of it, most notably American Audio. I'm sure there are exceptions to every rule, but this was general concensus about the average quality of gear from each company.

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Brian,
From an old dog to a young 'un.... don't be too quick to take anyone's word for anything until you do your own research or have enough people confirming a fact! Your credibility could be on the line.

ghost1one said:

I've used the passport systems before and find them simple and good for the price. My school has 3 sets of the Passport 300 Deluxe and they have enough oomph to throw sound throughout our gymnasiums and cafeteria, etc. I can't imagine why any "lesser" quality gear wouldn't match this if fender's pa systems are considered sub par in lists and by some members.

I didn't mean at all to start a war over equipment, I just needed to know of a quick way to get gear, and I've decided to throw together a pyle setup. For less than $500 with all the Amazon discounts, I will just replace the components after 10 or so uses anyway. Probably some Peavy or Crown amps and some Peavy speakers.

I did, however invest in a Behringer mixer, as I've used them before and I do like them. It was also adaptable enough to support XLR and Phone outputs for later upgrades. The same goes for my eq, which is a Behringer I picked up on Craigslist for $30. A small 15 band that will last untill I kill it or replace it.

This might be good for future reference to other members, and I do agree that better equipment yields better quality. But at the same time, can you really compare a Pinto to a Jaguar? When looking at these setups I wasn't looking at audio quality that adults and audiophiles would care for, I was looking for a fast dirty setup that would get me back into it so that I can get back to my former glory. Paying off $500 is easier than paying off $2000. I have owned the higher end stuff and I do miss it, but I have to start back at square one for now. And that involved a budget of $600 for all speakers, cables, amps, and the mixer.



Thank you to everyone for you help!

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Ghost,
if you think that "3 sets of the Passport 300 Deluxe and they have enough oomph to throw sound throughout our gymnasiums and cafeteria, etc." is good then you need to go to one of Val's shows. You may have to take heart medicine at an early age!
By the way, the responses here are not personal attacks. We are all DJs here with biases and preferences. As a sorry lot, me included, we tend to take no prisoners when we start shooting. We might shed a tear a two when we find out we shot the wrong person!

Fred Wright said:

Can one really compare a Pinto to a Jaguar? Yes, of couse. Both are modes of transportation.

But there's a bit of difference here: You're carrying paying passengers.

Just this old dog's thinking here... but here are the choices as I see them:

1) Buy one Jag and get to my destination.

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Not if the electrical gremlins come in for a surprise visit

Some one actually stole my pair of Pyle Pro 10" speakers which lasted me two years.

You want a package that will work well as a starter package I would go with something like this over the Pyle stuff:
http://pro-audio.musiciansfriend.co...B1222FX-Harbinger-APS15-PA-Package?sku=631030

DannyGKaraoke said:

Some one actually stole my pair of Pyle Pro 10" speakers which lasted me two years.

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Were they trying to end your torment?

Just MHO.

Assuming what a lot of people say about their gear, buying it, and absolute quality...etc...

They must drive a Porsche, Jaguar, Ferrari, BMW, SAAB, Mercedes, or Lamborghini.

Because none of them would be caught dead driving a Chevy, Ford, Nissan, Toyota or something else not top of the line but gets the job done just the same. Which will easier to replace?

In my book there is such a thing as equipment that will do the job well and reliably without being the "very best". Or having the name brand recognition for bragging rights.

If your gear takes a large enough electrical spike it doesn't matter what brand it is....it will fry. No matter how much surge suppression etc you have in front of it. If it gets wet, or any number of scenarios, It's gone. No matter what it costs or what brand it is.

Longevity is another claim I hear a lot of. But if I can buy an amp for 1/4 of the cost of another and they both perform well, but the cheaper one will only last 1/2 as long. I can buy it and a back up and still be money ahead.

I personally see no need to spend money merely for name recognition. Granted there are some pieces of equipment that are just junk. But for the most part most pro gear will hold it's own.

If you put Behringer side by side with a comparable Peavy, EV, or JBL component they will sound very similar. Though the latter does make higher end equipment that will of course sound better, but cost 5 to 10 times as much. But the average consumer or client will never be able to tell the difference.

If you run most pro gear within it's limits it will provide a good clean sound that everyone will enjoy and appreciate. If you try to push a 500W amp to sound like a 2000W amp it will sound like crap no matter what brand it is.

Just the same as if you tried to drive a Ford at 180MPH, but it will do just fine at 70MPH.

Sorry for the rant, but it real tiresome reading the "Your not a real DJ because you don't use brand xyz equipment."

Some members of the forum I have seen only do a few small gigs a year or maybe a gig a month for a few hundred dollars, does that really warrant a $2000-$10,000 system? Or make them any less a DJ?

badblood70 said:

Just the same as if you tried to drive a Ford at 180MPH, but it will do just fine at 70MPH.

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You obviously have not taken a ride with me : My red headed child starts to get comfortable at 140 MPH

BTW: A colleague of mine made the mistake of running into me at a stop light in his Italian sports car who says horse meat is too tough

DJ SVO said:

You obviously have not taken a ride with me : My red headed child starts to get comfortable at 140 MPH

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Your talkin to a guy that used to think that life was just starting to get good at 100MPH+

When the road looks about 6 feet wide and telephone poles look like a picket fence, that's about when your blood starts moving at the right speed.

So come on over, I'll take a ride with yah any day!!!!

badblood70 said:

Your talkin to a guy that used to think that life was just starting to get good at 100MPH+

When the road looks about 6 feet wide and telephone poles look like a picket fence, that's about when your blood starts moving at the right speed.

So come on over, I'll take a ride with yah any day!!!!

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pfft.... childs play.... it's not exciting until those telephone poles look like a solid wall.... then you're going fast...

I tend to look at gear as piece by piece and not as a whole for the exception of a few brands, and Pyle happens to be one. Technical Pro another, Gem Sound.....

Behringer makes a few good pieces, Gemini makes some very nice mixers and wireless setups. American Audio makes good mixers and CD players, all are reasonably priced and a good value. Samson makes some indestructible amplifiers....

If you are in the market for a system, why not look for some used equipment? Or even find your nerest pro audio shop and rent?

Bottom line, if I was on a strict budget, and I needed to buy a system, I would go with a Gemini mixer, and a set of powered Behringer speakers. When you upgrade, you can always use the powered speakers for ceremony etc.

And if I could do it all over again, my priority would be size! I was so stuck on getting BIG and HEAVY equipment, now I'm paying for it. Final tip: Get a Rock-and-Roller cart!

Lou