Houston, we have a problem!
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I don't believe you have any degree of fire in this profession.
Half dozen of one, six of another.
Ehhh .. not my first rodeo with guns drawn on me.Ok. But, stay away from the windows until I get confirmation of the stand down.
Bob, the difference is I don't proclaim to be a lawyer nor do I carry on like one .. nor do I play one on tv. It seems you have chosen yet again to attack. I will not stoop to your level.
Unless you can prove you purchased or legally obtained material you have, then it is illegally in your possession. Discarding the original media (tossing in the trash, burning, cutting, what have you) - means you are getting rid of it. With that, go your claims of 'owning' said media. This is why so many retain the original media and / or backups.
Taking this one step forward, you show your usual self by pouncing on others yet defying the law yourself .. or twisting it to fit your scenario (which you have admitted). If you want to be an example, then set an example. You can't twist something one way just for you but then apply it as it is everywhere else. Well, you can, but you just show more of your usual self.
Unless you can prove you purchased or legally obtained material you have, then it is illegally in your possession. Discarding the original media (tossing in the trash, burning, cutting, what have you) - means you are getting rid of it. With that, go your claims of 'owning' said media. This is why so many retain the original media and / or backups.
Taking this one step forward, you show your usual self by pouncing on others yet defying the law yourself .. or twisting it to fit your scenario (which you have admitted). If you want to be an example, then set an example. You can't twist something one way just for you but then apply it as it is everywhere else. Well, you can, but you just show more of your usual self.
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Bull. The only thing I'm defying is myopic straw arguments made by people with self-imposed limitations, and very thin skin.
Once something clips, there's no way to restore the loss of fidelity. What you appear to be doing is just reducing the gain of file that was either clipping, or very close to it. If there was clipping, it's still there. It's just being played back at a lower volume.
#2 it appears ... https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...MqO6_gQaY5FttwvgQ&sig2=qsalnEbwTUu8XJk_qhfFggYeah, I hear Soundchoice takes their trademark seriously.
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It's ridiculous. This is consistently one of the dumbest operations in business.
They are #2 on the "most litigious company" list and they can't understand why they couldn't even get a mere 320 people to commit to buy their product.
That's correct - that's why I reduce the gain (in AudioGrabber) of the (unclipped) song before encoding it - this gives some headroom for the slight increase in gain the encoding creates, so it won't clip. Mp3Gain was never applied to the examples I posted - I simply used it to verify the final gain of the song. What part am I missing? How would you do it?
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I trust the default settings of most applications because the developers typically are better informed about these processes than I am. If it happens to be an area where I have advanced knowledge or experience issues I adjust accordingly. I do not however, get mired in excessive detail and continually attempt to reinvent the wheel.
I'm not interested in technically perfect audio. That's an endless pursuit. I need audio that operates effectively in the real world.
Me too, but if I can have a one-step process that does the best job of ripping a CD to an mp3, without clipping, ouputs it to a 94db setting (so it's about the same volume as everything else in my library), captures all the necessary ID3 tag info, why not? That's all I've suggested. That's not operating effectively in the real world?
Handinon
I think what Proformance is trying to say here in a round about way is that he doesn't have a clue (technically) what you are talking about
Keep doing what you are doing, I believe you are on the right track if you still want to remain entrenched in the mp3 camp (really, a good chunk of my collection is mp3 which I am slowly weening out where possible and also remembering I am a VJ so most music videos are encoded as mp3 in a container file). Personally I just use the volume control at gigs to adjust for minor differences in sound not picked up by my software (in my case VDJ8) when there is a notable drop or boost between songs that I haven't corrected for previously by Tag. Let's face it, it is nigh on impossible getting them all right and/or tweaking them one at a time in a huge library unless you strive to go your route - that is doing a batch automated process with compromise to get "most" songs right. You still won't get them all I don't think. This is also going back to my preference that the FLAC option is best for me because I can tweak the gain setting via the Tag without actually altering the sound content of the file itself in my player of choice (VDJ8). Yes you can do this with mp3 too and be blissfully happy with the same methodology. Incidentally, I am one who is interested in getting as close to technically perfect audio as I can (knowing of course perfect can never be achieved in the audio environment) since that is what my customers pay for and is what sets me apart from the pack IMHO. Part of my setup involves calibrating my rig to the acoustics of the room and constantly monitoring through the evening as a room fills up with people. It is comforting to hear after a gig when a client comes up and says the sound was the best they ever heard....
One question (OK, maybe two). Have you actually done a side by side comparison yourself between 320 KB vs lossless compression with a "very high end system" (not a PA system) to find out if you can actually hear the subtle nuance differences or not? Unlike some hear I also listen to my collection for pleasure - not just for business. If you have a box store stereo don't even bother trying! One step further: have you ever obtained a well recorded high def audio (i.e 24 bit depth 44.1 KHz versus 16 bit depth 192 KHz of the standard CD) file to do a similar comparison to CD Definition (again on a high end system)? Many say they can't hear a difference while many say they can. I say "well recorded" because there are a lot of bad recordings out there which is really why you are in the predicament you are in. Empirically, High Def is unquestionably better (because it is closer to being analogue). By analogue I mean real life sound not uber-compressed vinyl or tape squeezed onto limited dynamic range or freq capable medium. Rather than believe what you read you should journey down that path yourself which is why I won't give you my opinion on the matter. Notice also I haven't really given an opinion on whether 320 KB vs FLAC sounds better or not either. Just know that empirically, FLAC is better since it is an exact copy of the released material but whether it sounds better or not is a deep matter of conjecture and argument as you can read throughout this thread....
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Most music I choose to listen too for pleasure I have on an album, I prefer the sound of actual vinyl being played on a high end home stereo over any digital format
We all make compromises. In the case of vinyl: reduced dynamic range capacity, induced noise floor (aka S/N Ratio), rumble, wow and flutter, imperfect frequency response and of course ticks and pops from mis-handled media....
There is a certain amount of nostalgia in it though, I have to admit since I come from that era, but I really hate the short play time of each side of a "Long Play" (LP) record - does anyone see the irony here?
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Admittedly, since dumping my last turntable in the mid-eighties, in moments of weakness I have considered (briefly) getting anodder but never acted on it as yet:
Navydiver,
Don't get a Linn - the platter rings, just like my Ariston RD-11S did!
I no longer have a decent in-the-house audio system, so I have not been able to do a comparison, as you have. The best I've got are Entymonic in-the-ear phones, which are actually pretty good.
However, as I said in my "summation", I agree with you. If I was to start off today, ripping (for the first time), every CD I own, I also would choose FLAC. Considering the low cost of storage, it only makes sense - but what I have posted here is for others as well, so I have tried to present what I call a "best practices" scenario, especially if you are staying with mp3's. I do not have the blind faith that others have, in an industry with constant software updates and incombatibilities - look at the mess right now with OSX El Capitan, Serato, and Traktor. As usual, the DJ takes a back seat.
Then there's the music - I play mostly older stuff for an older crowd. Sure there is newer, well recorded stuff, being done by new artists, but that is a small part of my library. Like Steve, I scrounge the CD bins!
I applaud you for your approach to your DJ setup, always striving for the best sound. It's why we do what we do!
Don't get a Linn - the platter rings, just like my Ariston RD-11S did!
I no longer have a decent in-the-house audio system, so I have not been able to do a comparison, as you have. The best I've got are Entymonic in-the-ear phones, which are actually pretty good.
However, as I said in my "summation", I agree with you. If I was to start off today, ripping (for the first time), every CD I own, I also would choose FLAC. Considering the low cost of storage, it only makes sense - but what I have posted here is for others as well, so I have tried to present what I call a "best practices" scenario, especially if you are staying with mp3's. I do not have the blind faith that others have, in an industry with constant software updates and incombatibilities - look at the mess right now with OSX El Capitan, Serato, and Traktor. As usual, the DJ takes a back seat.
Then there's the music - I play mostly older stuff for an older crowd. Sure there is newer, well recorded stuff, being done by new artists, but that is a small part of my library. Like Steve, I scrounge the CD bins!
I applaud you for your approach to your DJ setup, always striving for the best sound. It's why we do what we do!
We used to have the Linn in the shop I worked at as well as Oracle Delphi. All have weaknesses which is why I will likely never act on my nostalgia urge. The (admittedly midfi) turntable I had the longest was this one but I really liked it back when dabbling with Quad ESL-63 etc:
But they are some of the cooler looking onesWe used to have the Linn in the shop I worked at as well as Oracle Delphi. All have weaknesses which is why I will likely never act on my nostalgia urge. The (admittedly midfi) turntable I had the longest was this one:
