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The last working one I had was like this: New AR base, Micro Seiki tonearm and a Dynavector 10x3 cartridge

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I currently have a Yamaha PX-3 Linear tracking turntable (not mine below, but identical), but need to find someone to make a tonearm drive belt. Platter turns, tonearm assembly doesn't move.

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Handinon said:
That's not operating effectively in the real world?
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No, not really. It's odd that you're even still ripping CDs in 2015.
I think the references to home listening is the real relevance of this topic.
The issues cited are not a meaningful concern for working DJs.
 
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Navydiver,
The best I've got are Entymonic in-the-ear phones, which are actually pretty good.
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I was and still am a big Bob Carver fan for many many years going right back to his Phase Linear years. As an audio engineer/Entrepeneur here in the Pacific Northwest, I think he is pure genius despite hearing that some folks might believe his ideas are outside the mainstream. Not me. His iconic Phase Linear amps are almost considered synonymous with the bygone years of Rock Supergroups in big arenas of the 70s. His Carver amps that followed were an exceptional bank for the buck especially with his famed T-mod that made amzing audio affordable to the masses. Then came Sunfire - Wow! I have owned a number of his products over the years. One thing people cannot deny is his understanding of music and fidelity. I recommend anyone and everyone interested in audio to watch the entire "Home Theatre Geek" interview in the following link just to understand where he is coming from. Don't think of it as gospel but it gives you a real good layman's understanding of some pretty key concepts. In particular, for anyone reliant on headphones as a primary Hi fidelity source, I think should start watching at precisely 36 minutes 25 seconds in - a very very interesting and technical introspective discussion on the matter for sound enthusiasts. While I like to listen to headphones to shut out the world as much as the next person, I could never understand why imaging in headphones pure and simple sucks compared to standard speakers - this, for the most part, explains why....

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFWZJrJWtzc
 
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Proformance said:
No, not really. It's odd that you're even still ripping CDs in 2015.
I think the references to home listening is the real relevance of this topic.
The issues cited are not a meaningful concern for working DJs.
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Bob, you really are out of touch with reality .. and you really do display it sometimes.
 
Still ripping CD's and no plans on stopping any time soon. I love my hobbies.
 
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Bob, you really are out of touch with reality .. and you really do display it sometimes.
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I don't have an issue with people who's audio hobby is high fidelity or collecting. Knock yourself out with antique gear, revivals, and thrift-shop vinyl or CD.

I take exception however to the suggestion that this is in any a way a smart procedure when running a DJ business. It is not.
The person who is out of touch is the one who thinks it's a smart business to buy music in obsolete formats, waste labor on ripping it, waste more labor re-ripping for theoretical perfectionism, and even more labor tagging and editing.

You will not be compensated for this time. More customers than you think simply nod politely and then book the other guy who isn't trying to gouge them for the extra 72 OCD hours he is wasting against every 5 hour booking. :) This is the difference between a hobby and a profession. The business minded completed this transition at least 10 years ago and largely stopped buying and/or ripping CDs.

I have not been in a record store in 15 years. I haven't bought a CD from ANY source (including record pools) in at least 5 years. All of my music comes in digital file formats already tagged. I didn't make these changes because I fell out of love with vinyl or CDs. I changed because the reality of the business changed, and there was a clearly better way to do things.

I get that if you're an audiophile you're into tweaking no matter how good things already are. That's not however, an Ah-ha moment. You haven't solved a mystery or discovered anything new. Audiophile in not synonymous with Disc Jockey. One seeks to satisfy the perfectionism of the self - and the other serves the relative needs of a customer.
 
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Proformance said:
I don't have an issue with people who's audio hobby is high fidelity or collecting. Knock yourself out with antique gear, revivals, and thrift-shop vinyl or CD.

I take exception however to the suggestion that this is in any a way a smart procedure when running a DJ business. It is not.
The person who is out of touch is the one who thinks it's a smart business to buy music in obsolete formats, waste labor on ripping it, waste more labor re-ripping for theoretical perfectionism, and even more labor tagging and editing.

You will not be compensated for this time. More customers than you think simply nod politely and then book the other guy who isn't trying to gouge them for the extra 72 OCD hours he is wasting against every 5 hour booking. :) This is the difference between a hobby and a profession. The business minded completed this transition at least 10 years ago and largely stopped buying and/or ripping CDs.

I have not been in a record store in 15 years. I haven't bought a CD from ANY source (including record pools) in at least 5 years. All of my music comes in digital file formats already tagged. I didn't make these changes because I fell out of love with vinyl or CDs. I changed because the reality of the business changed, and there was a clearly better way to do things.

I get that if you're an audiophile you're into tweaking no matter how good things already are. That's not however, an Ah-ha moment. You haven't solved a mystery or discovered anything new. Audiophile in not synonymous with Disc Jockey. One seeks to satisfy the perfectionism of the self - and the other serves the relative needs of a customer.
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I don't think anyone here is billing anyone for time they use to build their library or catalog. More professionals than you know are expanding their collections steadily through all means possible, to include CD's. By not including this, you are limiting yourself - you can attempt to disagree all you want, but it is a fact. Many people do not have stable internet connections and are therefore limited to CD's. Many record pools still ship on CD (I wonder why that would be if it's so obsolete).

Everything you speak of is what YOU do .. and that's fine for you. With that in mind, you are not at the epicenter of the musical or entertainment universe .. and you show it when you spout crap like this.

The reality is that ALL music does not come from the record pools, ALL of it is not tagged properly, ALL of it is not available online and other issues. THIS is reality .. and you are obviously out of touch with it.
 
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Excuse my ignorance but who is this Proformance guy? Seriously, has this non-swimmer jumped into the deep end without a floatation device? The crap he is laying down here is absolutely childish IMHO. Someone should tell Buckaroo that people do things different ways with great success which is perfectly acceptable. Is there any settings in my personal preferences on this forum (like FaceBook) to filter out traffic from someone you simply don't want to see any more posts from? Never mind, I think I just found an ignore button when I clicked his profile so will see if it works ;)
If not, it might be a good idea for the admins as a future forum improvement...

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Bob can be a good guy and does have some bits of useful information and knowledge. Unfortunately, most of the time it all gets discarded because of his excellent confrontational skills.
 
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Hey, it's my party - I started this thread. As far as I'm concerned, all input is welcome.

Proformance brings up valid points - especially if you're a large, multi-op operation.

I'm not - I'm retired. While I don't DJ for free, I definitely do it for fun, not to put food on the table.

Ah, the CD rip of Pepe Aguilar Baladas y Boleros just finished. Some good stuff there!
 
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Proformance said:
I don't have an issue with people who's audio hobby is high fidelity or collecting. Knock yourself out with antique gear, revivals, and thrift-shop vinyl or CD.

I take exception however to the suggestion that this is in any a way a smart procedure when running a DJ business. It is not.
The person who is out of touch is the one who thinks it's a smart business to buy music in obsolete formats, waste labor on ripping it, waste more labor re-ripping for theoretical perfectionism, and even more labor tagging and editing.

You will not be compensated for this time. More customers than you think simply nod politely and then book the other guy who isn't trying to gouge them for the extra 72 OCD hours he is wasting against every 5 hour booking. :) This is the difference between a hobby and a profession. The business minded completed this transition at least 10 years ago and largely stopped buying and/or ripping CDs.

I have not been in a record store in 15 years. I haven't bought a CD from ANY source (including record pools) in at least 5 years. All of my music comes in digital file formats already tagged. I didn't make these changes because I fell out of love with vinyl or CDs. I changed because the reality of the business changed, and there was a clearly better way to do things.

I get that if you're an audiophile you're into tweaking no matter how good things already are. That's not however, an Ah-ha moment. You haven't solved a mystery or discovered anything new. Audiophile in not synonymous with Disc Jockey. One seeks to satisfy the perfectionism of the self - and the other serves the relative needs of a customer.
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iTunes/Amazon don't have everything released .. if they did and the titles were available for an anytime download of $1.50 a piece, then it probably would make sense to buy only what you actually needed over time. But ... Finding older stuff, which is a heavy component of what I play, is tough .. and for some of it, ripping it or (even more time-consuming) recording it off vinyl/tape is the only way to get it. YouTube might have some pieces, but a lot of it sonically challenged.
 
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If you can't find it - you're probably quite far out of the mainstream. That's a whole separate issue - because that itself means your niche is quite narrow. A friend of mine is into Oldies, Rockabilly, etc. for his radio show. I don't recognize or even know most of the stuff he plays because it's all non-mainstream stuff. Even when he plays an artist you know like a Jerry lee Lewis - it's gonna be a track that never made it on to the charts.
 
Handinon said:
Hey, it's my party - I started this thread. As far as I'm concerned, all input is welcome.

Proformance brings up valid points - especially if you're a large, multi-op operation.

I'm not - I'm retired. While I don't DJ for free, I definitely do it for fun, not to put food on the table.

Ah, the CD rip of Pepe Aguilar Baladas y Boleros just finished. Some good stuff there!
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Exactly the kind of honesty most people in this thread haven't got the courage to admit.
 
Proformance said:
If you can't find it - you're probably quite far out of the mainstream. That's a whole separate issue - because that itself means your niche is quite narrow. A friend of mine is into Oldies, Rockabilly, etc. for his radio show. I don't recognize or even know most of the stuff he plays because it's all non-mainstream stuff. Even when he plays an artist you know like a Jerry lee Lewis - it's gonna be a track that never made it on to the charts.
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Not true, until recently, you couldn't get any of the Beatles (I'm pretty sure they're 'mainstream') media from the web - and there are quite a few others (to include modern day bands) that still are not on the web. If you only rely on 'mainstream' stuff, then YOU are limiting your own self - quite a bit. You're 'pal' is one example of a group that probably relishes in stuff that's non main stream. There are many folks who have stuff that does not fall into the mainstream category but is still great event / dance songs.
 
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One of the main reasons I still frequent this board even though I retired from the DJ biz at the end of 2013 is to keep up with current music AND to hear about cool off the beaten path finds by others - for example Bryan Adams' album "Tracks Of My Tears".

That and hearing about new technology and trends in gigs...
 
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Are you breaking new music? Are you playing some gig where 'deep tracks' is what sells? (Brings in the crowd)

Or are you playing to folks that want to hear 'the hits' - stuff they know, stuff 'we can dance to'?

Or are you looking for songs for personal enjoyment, intellectual reasons, or maybe to set yourself apart from others in the marketplace?

they're not making new doo wop, and if they are it's available digitally i'm sure. But those that listen to it are on the far end of life and probably half deaf so fidelity isn't gonna matter much, and the original recordings are far from today's new recording quality anyway.

My kids DO NOT listen to music in 'high fidelity' - as in on a 'hi fi' system. Earbuds or headphones..PERIOD.
Back in the day I had a couple of friends into serious hi fi..but unless you build an acoustically neutral/quite room the traffic on the street, the a/c or furnace, the other people in the house pretty much destroyed any advantages of spending a fortune to get that last spec of separation and response.

And at a gig it's the same - 150 people in a room that isn't acoustically perfect, they're talking, drinking, moving, we may be playing in mono...like playing music in your car where the ambient noise level is 70-75 decibels you're not gonna hear the music at it's true potential.

Not say it doesn't matter, but it's like arguing how many fleas can dance on the head of a pin - nobody can see them anyway.
 
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IceBurghDJ said:
Are you breaking new music? Are you playing some gig where 'deep tracks' is what sells? (Brings in the crowd)

Or are you playing to folks that want to hear 'the hits' - stuff they know, stuff 'we can dance to'?

Or are you looking for songs for personal enjoyment, intellectual reasons, or maybe to set yourself apart from others in the marketplace?

they're not making new doo wop, and if they are it's available digitally i'm sure. But those that listen to it are on the far end of life and probably half deaf so fidelity isn't gonna matter much, and the original recordings are far from today's new recording quality anyway.

My kids DO NOT listen to music in 'high fidelity' - as in on a 'hi fi' system. Earbuds or headphones..PERIOD.
Back in the day I had a couple of friends into serious hi fi..but unless you build an acoustically neutral/quite room the traffic on the street, the a/c or furnace, the other people in the house pretty much destroyed any advantages of spending a fortune to get that last spec of separation and response.

And at a gig it's the same - 150 people in a room that isn't acoustically perfect, they're talking, drinking, moving, we may be playing in mono...like playing music in your car where the ambient noise level is 70-75 decibels you're not gonna hear the music at it's true potential.

Not say it doesn't matter, but it's like arguing how many fleas can dance on the head of a pin - nobody can see them anyway.
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Many, if not most, of what I do is for older folks (>40) and "classics" are just as much in demand as current stuff. Current music I get from pools, so I'm pretty covered (though I don't tend to take much EDM with me). Older stuff, I continue to buy CDs (sometimes new, many times in lots on eBay) and rip .. I would love a pool for "classics" but they don't seem to exist and I haven't found a consistent source for them (Spotify, Pandora, iTunes, Amazon, etc.). A lot of older stuff is Album oriented anyway, so having a single cut is fine, but having the Album is much better.
 
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If you've been doing this for decades, what 60s or 70s music do you need you don't have?
there is no new hendrix, beatles, velvet underground, met torme, jerry lee lewis, bee gees, grand funk rr coming out. Not sure how many requests you get for the non-hits, deep album cuts.

There are people that appreciate that, i'm one of them, but I know I'm in the minority. I guess I just don't understand why'd you be buying music that isn't likely to be played.

Now if your a collector..that's a personal thing. I dont' think anyone here is a curator or museum.

Should I be buying up old music too?

Just seems like so many discusstions about camera/lenses on photog forums - 'this lens can resolve x and that one only does y' when in a print a customer gets there is absolultely no difference. Or 'i need 30mp!!!' and a 12mp is more than enough for the biggest thing they'll ever print. they're spending time, money and HD space with no return, no beneift, no value whatsoever.

Yes, on a monitor qualty system in a booth sure, 320cbr will sound better than 96 vbr. But I bet at 10pm at a wedding nobody could tell the difference.
 
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