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Scott Hanna said:
When did they tell you 2.0 would be done? What was the exact details of their promise?

Did their original promise include video, karaoke, auto beat mixing?
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Right... I suppose it was unreasonable to expect it anytime before Windows 14.
No wonder you're so F'd up. Do you always fall in line when people walk all over you like that?

Let me defer to your judgement then, at what point in time will the non-release of version 2.0 become an unreasonable failure?
At what point, now June and July over... will the non-release of this Esperance thing become an unreasonable and misleading sales tactic for those who just bought licenses pursuant to this promotion?
 
July is over? You are right I am f'd up. All these years Ive been putting 31 days in July. Thanks for setting me straight.

My judgement. I paid very little for software that has been extremely reliable. Included free upgrades to 2.0. There has been a bunch of upgrades over the years that they called 1.xx. Logic tells me if they were trying to scam anyone, why wouldn't they upgrade to 2.0 right away, which would allow them to now charge for future upgrades?

They haven't. They've been free. In my judgement, they haven't scammed or been untruthful to anyone. Slow? Sure. Big difference.

I got a great deal
 
I think the whole thread got out of context. Bob came on and in his own way was trying to warn others about his experience and what he has learned about the company and it's practices. One user, Scott, chose to defend the software because it does for him what he wants it to do.

I watched the bantering go back and forth. Maybe some do not realize that there is a big difference between active DJs and Djs who just "take advantage of technology to do their job for them, namely MOST Wedding DJs. Using their words, often posted here, they state phrases such as "Beatmixing is not needed at Weddings" (I say BS to that, because those same people go out to parties and clubs and enjoy good mixing), "My clients do not request it" (Really! So a Wedding DJ is nothing more than a Puppet!) etc.

Just this week it was a revelation to know that many DJs on here purchased a Controller just to get a Quick Start, sheesh! What a farce! Even Jim Dunlop knows how to use his Software with Keyboard mapping to achieve this task. Any DJ worth his salt should know that a Controller was made to emulate Vinyl turntables. Instead of loading on Vinyl you access the music library through a computer or some sort of digital database. I don't know of anyone who uses OTS here in Houston. From what I have seen and heard of OTS in the 2004-2006 years, I would rather use Windows Media Player than that software. However, if someone like Scott uses it and he is happy then more power to him.

Instead of shooting the messenger, it may be more productive to listen to the message. Personality pissing matches does not do anyone any good except cheap entertainment.

We are here to share our experiences good and bad. It helps others to make decisions when we want to buy a particular product.
 
steve149 said:
Just thinking I would have dropped it years ago if it didn't meet my needs. Well before any mention of 2.0 or Esperance.
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What's to drop?
The title of this thread is "You have got to be kidding!" It's about the insanity of a promotion that begs their incompetence.
As the years pile up on the version 2.0 scam - sending these Esperance solicitations to their now savvy previous customers is an insult at best. It's like stealing someone's wallet and then coming back the next day to see if they're dumb enough to let you do it again.

As for the video features Scott suggests - they had no choice. They were falling so far behind the market - if Columbus had taken this long to discover the New World - he'd have been met half way by the U.S. Navy.

Besides, the video features still aren't reliable enough to use at a critical live event. It crashes to often on too many machines and the overlay method they use is no longer supported by Microsoft. There isn't a good compatibility with the majority of graphics hardware out there.
 
Proformance said:
Besides, the video features still aren't reliable enough to use at a critical live event. It crashes to often on too many machines and the overlay method they use is no longer supported by Microsoft. There isn't a good compatibility with the majority of graphics hardware out there.
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For those keeping score at home, bob has been arguing this for years. The makers of the software responded to his complaint in a thread and stated why they chose to make the video system the way they did. They ofered to help him get his video working. He didn't accept it. Just got more angry. Most in the thread stated they werent having a problem.That is the thread Jeff was referring to.

I don't use the video a lot. But every time I've used it at an event, it's worked perfectly. I talk with a lot of ots users that use video a lot at events and they love it. It works perfectly for them
 
Papa Deuce said:
300 ... is it possible?
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It is but it feels a little loose on the black one the red one has no such problem as for the other one it will get there :D:D:D:D:D:D

I'm talking K's not M's :D:D:D:D:D:D
 
Scott Hanna said:
July is over? You are right I am f'd up. All these years Ive been putting 31 days in July. Thanks for setting me straight.

My judgement. I paid very little for software that has been extremely reliable. Included free upgrades to 2.0. There has been a bunch of upgrades over the years that they called 1.xx. Logic tells me if they were trying to scam anyone, why wouldn't they upgrade to 2.0 right away, which would allow them to now charge for future upgrades?

They haven't. They've been free. In my judgement, they haven't scammed or been untruthful to anyone. Slow? Sure. Big difference.
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Right again... there are 31days in July. Foolish of me to think that tomorrow is anything less than a perfect day to start your "to do list" for July.

Whatever they call version 2.0 has to justify the purchase in the first place by making the software current with respect to competing products, state of the current product market, and removing bugs. Previous upgrades have removed some bugs but they have never brought the product in line with user demands and competing products,

You are overly obsessed with "correctness" because No one bought Ots 1.xx. it was always clear that we were buying version 2.0 which Ots described as "imminent" (just as they now do Esperance).

The big ta-da about the upgrade with video was actually ABM - a useless feature aimed at bedroom internet webcasters who they must have thought would be the future of radio. Nobody wants or needs a metronome like auto mixer in their software. Okay.. so maybe you do. :) Anyway, that feature sucks and isn't worth tagging your files for. If you want a choreographed set you can record a better mix of your own.

Video- yes, great feature but, it doesn't work reliably enough. Ots seems to believe the ITAV world runs on bulky desktop and rack systems when in fact laptops are the predominant machines for anything outside the broadcast booth. Their video crashes on the vast majority of laptops even when the machines meet or exceed the Ots recommended requirements and specific manufacturers hardware. They can talk all day about their "exacting standards" but, the reality is they are arrogantly designing to some arbitrary standard not compatible with the majority of hardware out there, and even relying on OS unsupported approaches to rendering the video. Meanwhile, other players in the market continue to dominate because they address real needs with solutions that work on lots of hardware.

There are some things I like very much about OtsAV - their inability to keep the software current and functional on the majority of hardware out there negates all of that - because, not only do things just need to work - they need to work at the current expectation of the given profession.
 
ahoustondj said:
From what I have seen and heard of OTS in the 2004-2006 years, I would rather use Windows Media Player than that software. However, if someone like Scott uses it and he is happy then more power to him.
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I think everyone should use whatever software that works for them. Lots of great software out there. I got a copy of rock it too and it seems to be excellent too.

Everyone is entitled to say what software they like and why. My disagreement has never been about software. It's about wrongfully accusing a company of malicious actions when none are there. That.. I believe, is wrong.
 
Scott Hanna said:
For those keeping score at home, bob has been arguing this for years. The makers of the software responded to his complaint in a thread and stated why they chose to make the video system the way they did. They ofered to help him get his video working. He didn't accept it. Just got more angry. Most in the thread stated they werent having a problem.That is the thread Jeff was referring to.
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Of course, I've been arguing this for years - what part of non-existent upgrade did you not get?

...and it's still all about "Bob" for you isn't it?
 
Proformance said:
Their video crashes on the vast majority of laptops even when the machines meet or exceed the Ots recommended requirements and specific manufacturers hardware.
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This is an example of taking an opinion ....which you are entitled to ..... And then mixing words around to make it sound like a fact... Like you've actually tried it on the vast majority of laptops.

Credibility...0
Unless you can share this research with us
 
Scott Hanna said:
This is an example of taking an opinion ....which you are entitled to ..... And then mixing words around to make it sound like a fact... Like you've actually tried it on the vast majority of laptops.

Credibility...0
Unless you can share this research with us
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You share the controller you mix with and why - and then I'll share my list of non-compatible hardware. How's that Mr. Credibility?
 
Proformance said:
You share the controller you mix with and why - and then I'll share my list of non-compatible hardware. How's that Mr. Credibility?
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No... You said the vast majority of laptops. You'll need to provide your research on what laptops use what hardware and how that corresponds to the total amount of laptops sold in the world
 
Scott Hanna said:
No... You said the vast majority of laptops. You'll need to provide your research on what laptops use what hardware and how that corresponds to the total amount of laptops sold in the world
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Sure... but the same component parts apply across different models and manufacturers. So, if the program doesn't run with a particular video card it won't run on ANY manufacturer's laptop built around that card. Sometimes it's not just a given card it's a whole series of cards, or the entire brand. It might be the chipset used on any number of cards.

To be honest Scott - the list of hardware Ots video WILL run on reliably is much shorter.

LOL. You are nitpicking generalizations when you're whole position is a generalized view that it doesn't matter how many decades it takes to deliver 2.0 or Esperance? Do you really believe that as long as they are non-committal and don't give exact dates it's okay to put off deliver until after the user's have died of old age? :)
 
Proformance said:
LOL. You are nitpicking generalizations when you're whole position is a generalized view that it doesn't matter how many decades it takes to deliver 2.0 or Esperance? Do you really believe that as long as they are non-committal and don't give exact dates it's okay to put off deliver until after the user's have died of old age? :)
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As long as they keep adding new features, I'm glad they keep calling it 1.xx. When they get to 2.0, I will then be charged for upgrades.

Why are you eager to pay for upgrades?
 
BOB IT IS NOT BAIT AND SWITCH PLAIN AND SIMPLE. Get over it as you are just upset cause they didnt bend over for you when you made your complaint. Its a grudge that aint gaining you S h i t~~~ You are like Nick at night reruns that were old ten years ago give it a rest and gloat August first.End of story. Could you start another worthless thread then? I cant remember the last time someone posted just now going with OTS so its likely no one is buying it any longer.
 
Scott Hanna said:
As long as they keep adding new features, I'm glad they keep calling it 1.xx. When they get to 2.0, I will then be charged for upgrades.

Why are you eager to pay for upgrades?
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What upgrades?
An upgrade that doesn't happen for a decade isn't an upgrade... it's a retro-fit.
 
who give a shit its ancient news and you were the early pioneer in pointing it out I doubt your going to deter much business at this point as no one is buying off the streets these days any more so than PCDJ lol.
 
Jon Tuck said:
who give a **** its ancient news and you were the early pioneer in pointing it out I doubt your going to deter much business at this point as no one is buying off the streets these days any more so than PCDJ lol.
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.. then what's your excuse for following the thread?

I mean Papa's got money on reaching 300...
Rick is in just for for sh-- and giggles...
Scott is her to correct every word...
I'm having fun giving Scott more words...
Steve is practicing his one liner's...
Leblanc is holding an old grudge...
Canute is a referree..
and Mix has proved himself smarter than all of us by staying out.

So why are you here? Testing a new anti-anxiety med? :)
 
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