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Integrity attack, eh? That's coming from the person that says none of us can comprehend anything... Sort of a hypocritical comment I believe. Suit yourself.
There you go again using misinformation and lies to garner sympathy for your cause. Show me where I said what you quoted above. I may have said that to an individual in the context of something being discussed, I never said that about everyone. So show me!
 
I never said that about everyone. So show me!

Well, without really working very hard, I came up with 6 of your quotes... ;)

Do you need more...?




Read carefully my friend and comprehend what you read. - to Jon Tuck

Read it again and comprehend.- to Sounds to Go

Maybe you did not comprehend. - to Randy A

Since to seem to have such a difficult time reading and comprehending - to SoftJock Rick

Comprehending English is really a challenge to you, eh? - to DJSarge

It is very apparent that you have not comprehended what I have stated. - to Jon Tuck
 
Well, without really working very hard, I came up with 6 of your quotes... ;)

Do you need more...?




Read carefully my friend and comprehend what you read. - to Jon Tuck

Read it again and comprehend.- to Sounds to Go

Maybe you did not comprehend. - to Randy A

Since to seem to have such a difficult time reading and comprehending - to SoftJock Rick

Comprehending English is really a challenge to you, eh? - to DJSarge

It is very apparent that you have not comprehended what I have stated. - to Jon Tuck
Why don't you keep going until you come up with the whole membership! That would then equate for everyone, wouldn't it? No wonder you don't know if you are going to pay your rent. You waste time on the board posting BS.
 
No wonder you don't know if you are going to pay your rent. You waste time on the board posting BS.

Much like yourself... ;)

Quite frankly, I don't have much else to do. I've already coded the next version of Rockit, but I need to get the RC of Win 8 so I can run full tests before a release.

If I go to the pool, there's a fair chance I'm gonna get beat up by some chick's boyfriend or husband. Some of these guys are big down here, and I'm not -- I don't like getting beat up... :eek:

So instead, I hang out and debate you folks here, play frisbee with the doggy, and answer support calls and emails. Heck, maybe I learn some stuff in the process, or maybe somebody learns something from me. That's the whole point of debate -- to learn and share.

So that's what I do -- and apparently, I do not comprehend the folks that say "It's my way, or the highway"...
 
You never miss the opportunity do you? LOL :laugh:

Not in the slightest -- yer fair game here, it's a chat board... :)

I suppose I could go play World of Warcraft or some crap like that -- but those folks end up getting violent, and killing other folks. I'll stick with the debates -- seems safer... ;)
 
A EULA is a contract between the end user of a product/service, and the provider of that product/service. You have to agree to abide by that contract when you purchase something from said provider.

I can not legally agree to circumvent existing law, so any term of an EULA that asserts I have would be invalid because it is illegal and therefor unenforceable. The EULA also can't enforce a waiver of something it has no authority over - and so any part of the EULA that does is also invalid.

Apple is not a P.R.O. and has no authority to grant or deny performance rights - and that alone makes your particular (and personal) interpretation of the EULA and DJs playing iTunes tracks invalid. You're assumptions are wrong. Secondly - you are just plain wrong in your assertion that playing music for a fee makes mobile wedding DJs commercial users. They are not. Even club DJs are not the commercial user. It's a fact of law - not an opinion, and a fact that can not be altered by an EULA.

There are commercial uses to which those clauses may be applied - but, conventional mobile and club DJs aren't among them.

You're also stuck in the DMCA and keep offering up examples of copyright in software and streaming media - the topic in this thread has been copyrights in musical works more specifically phono-recordings (a specially defined term) which has it's own unique treatments in copyright law. Get on the right page!

Check out Bob's policy page on his website here: http://proformance.net/policy.htm
He seems to think that HIS contract is valid, but nobody else's is.

A really dull read... first and foremost that's a policy statement not a contract or agreement. People are free to object and argue with me over how we conduct business - the policy let's them know what to expect.

But, okay - let's do it your way! As an EULA not all parts of my policy would be enforceable in all cases. I'm sure there are some circumstances in which some terms would be invalid - especially regarding events in neighboring states that have different laws. Those terms are there however for the other instances in which they can be valid.

So essentially, I have to pay him, but he doesn't have to pay me, because of HIS interpretation of the law.

It's not my opinion. It's the opinions of federal judges and supreme court justices who have actually decided cases and interpreted the law for all of us. Their decisions are published and a matter of public record - LOOK THEM UP or keep wallowing in your arrogant and bitter ignorance about mobile DJs as commercial users.
 
I can not legally agree to circumvent existing law, so any term of an EULA that asserts I have would be invalid because it is illegal and therefor unenforceable. The EULA also can't enforce a waiver of something it has no authority over - and so any part of the EULA that does is also invalid.

So basically Bob you are saying that Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, et al have paid out millions of dollars on corporate lawyers to create EULAs that are functionally illegal and void. Why did they bother going to law school they should have bought some Bose and became a DJ they would be more well versed on copyright law then
 
After doing much more research on the issue, regarding "commercial use" of songs, Rick is correct.

If the song purchased has a EULA which includes a statement that says it is for non-commercial use - then legally you can not use it to make one red cent.

iTunes includes such a clause as do most cd's purchased in a store.

The only place, so far, that I've found that does not include such a clause is PromoOnly.com - which I assume most other dj pools do not include it either.

But PromoOnly still does not include performance fees which is separate from commercial use. So if you play music that is allowed for commercial use at events that are deemed public, someone has to pay performance fees to ASCAP, et al.

That said, RIAA interviews I have read have stated that as long as you are paying for your music, it is unlikely they are ever coming for you. Their focus is pirated music.

ASCAP feels the same except they will go after the venue of a public event if performance fees are not paid. They have said although the DJ is libel, they go after the venue.

So my apologies Rick for my confusion.
 
So my apologies Rick for my confusion.


No apology needed James -- we're here to help each other :)

I always recommend the pools like Promo or Prime Cuts. I don't recommend ERG, because I got in a bit of a tiff with them. They actually placed a wrapper around my (and other folks software), without telling us, or asking permission. Apparently so they could keep a wrap on the music they were distributing.

The only reason I found it out, is because a customer in Canada called me, and it wasn't working. If they had asked me, I probably would have given them permission (if the details were correct, and they would do the support for it).

The RIAA is not gonna bust anybodies butt at this time, I've talked with them on a number of occasions -- can't guarantee that will last forever though...

If Apple or Amazon decides they need a new revenue stream though, that could be a whole different ballgame. I've dealt with Apple's lawyers in the past -- and they're not very friendly, to put it mildly... ;)
 
So basically Bob you are saying that Apple, Amazon, Microsoft, et al have paid out millions of dollars on corporate lawyers to create EULAs that are functionally illegal and void. Why did they bother going to law school they should have bought some Bose and became a DJ they would be more well versed on copyright law then

No Jeff, I'm telling you that A DJ playing music a t a wedding or a band covering that same music at a wedding does not fit the legal definition of commercial use, and you, Apple, Amazon, or Microsoft, can not rewrite the Copyright Law simply by drafting a EULA and wanting it so.

Weddings are a multi-billion dollar industry and if the information I am giving you were not correct then why have all these brilliant corprorate lawyers let 100 years of post radio opportunity to cash in slip by? It's because they really don't have any standing when a DJ plays a legitimately purchased iTunes track at a private event. If they did they'd have brought the issue to court years ago and cashed in.

The pitiful part is that so many DJs are so desperate to be "special" they go out of their way to see controversy where none exists. I can only imagine how much restrain t it must take when one of you calls the RIAA regional counsel or ASCAP with your "I feel guilty I get paid" legal histrionics.
 
First off Bob I don't feel a bit guilty about using any music at an event.

Secondly there are too many to chase down to bother for nickels and dimes and probably in most cases nothing would be awarded but cease and desist order. The fact they can sue you is the point the reality is none of us will ever be bothered.

What gets me in the whole thing is they hypocorasy that some put out. They have major issues against pirated music but feel since they pay for it it's OK to use it any way they feel even if it's against the TOS or EULA. It's OK to steal the sheep not OK to steal the calf.
 
Secondly there are too many to chase down to bother for nickels and dimes and probably in most cases nothing would be awarded but cease and desist order. The fact they can sue you is the point the reality is none of us will ever be bothered.

Non-sense. You simply don't get it. Look at all the problems with your argument:

I get paid even if the event gets cancelled and no music is played.
I get paid even if the electricity goes out and no music gets played.
I get paid even if they ask me to turn it off so they can talk instead.
I get paid even if the police shut it down 5 minutes before I begin.

If just being a wedding DJ is a commercial use (incorrect interpretation) then you have a real dilemma because you have no metric by which to measure the relationship between music played and gain produced.

If on the other hand, the gain being measured is the sale of a tangible good or benefit (correct interpretation) then there is a direct correlation between the music and the gain - and this is what defines commercial use.

Play music at the mall and people shop more and longer. measure = sales | cause = music
Play music in your store and more customers patronize you. measure = sales | cause = music
Play music in a bar and people stay longer and buy more drinks. measure = sales | cause = music
Play music at your rally and more people hear your message. measure = promotion/action/sales | cause = music

In these instances the result is ALWAYS the same - revenue goes up with music and that ALWAYS holds true regardless of whether the music comes from a DJ, Band, CD, or iPod. It also holds true whether the music is owned by me, or you, or streamed from somewhere else. It is consistent across all circumstances irrespective of the music source and a direct correlation between music and a commercial gain. The DJ is not a party to the metric because he is not a party to the commercial activity or a stakeholder in the gain that it produces.

Does it not strike you yet, that there is no direct correlation between the fee a DJ receives and whether or not any music ever gets played?


That gets me in the whole thing is they hypocorasy that some put out. They have major issues against pirated music but feel since they pay for it it's OK to use it any way they feel even if it's against the TOS or EULA. It's OK to steal the sheep not OK to steal the calf.

Look at your own hypocrisy. You claim to support fairness and Copyright law - yet you can't be bothered to actually learn how the law really works - and in a most egregious affront claim that the will of a corporation is somehow more potent than rights and privileges recorded in U.S. Law.
 
sort of like Play music = get paid as a DJ | cause = music.
 
Rick. You wouldn't happen to be related to anyone in Kentucky would you?

Not that I'm aware of, but I have a bunch of friends and customers in Kentucky :)

Whether you were being factitious or not, I answered in all honesty.
 
No not at all. I was born in, live in, and work in Kentucky. I just remembered that my cousin married a girl who had an uncle who looks a lot like you, and the wedding was in Florida and he DJ'd her wedding reception. Thought maybe it may have been you :)
 
sort of like Play music = get paid as a DJ | cause = music.

That's a perfect example of why you can't get your mind around the law - because you write unbalanced equations with multiple equal signs. (Linking things that may be coincident but have no cause and effect relationship.) Playing music does not equal getting paid because there may be no pay involved or the music may not be the result of a DJ. By your logic the janitor is also getting paid as a direct result of the music creating a mess.

Your equation really sets a new level of ignorance or stupidity.

Yes - I violated the TOS by calling someone stupid... which is a perfect example of the impotence of an EULA - because it's real purpose is not to affect behavior but, protect the site from being sued by Steve or Rick when their self-esteem gets damaged. The net result is a site with the lowest common denominator of knowledge or lack thereof.

The iTunes EULA can not re-write or change the impart of the copyright law but, it can indemnify Apple from law suits owing to the egregious actions of certain members.