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steve149 said:
Generally, the antenna and the cable would have male ends (wire or post in the middle). They usually connect to a female jack .. sometimes as a pass-though connector...
or a chassis pass-through ... L-Com Global Connectivity - BA2301 - Coaxial Adapter, TNC Bulkhead, Grounded

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YES... That last connector would work if I could find a short (1.5-2ft.) cable with male ends (wire or post in the middle) as you described.[emoji4] That's actually what I was looking for before ordering the cables I just got.


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Got 'em ordered... Thanks again Steve.[emoji4] Now we just wait.[emoji4] Trying to think if there's anything else I can do in this large rack, but I don't think so. If the XLR-1/4" patch cables I ordered last week come on Tuesday (as they should), then I can at least get everything wired together. I can't believe I don't have some of those cables around here somewhere. I'll probably run into them after the new ones come. That's the way it ALWAYS works.[emoji1] I might have put them in a box out in the garage, but I haven't found them.[emoji4]




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I find I'm really starting to LOVE this Denon MC6000 MK2 controller. It's very different from my American Audio VMS 4.1, but in a good way.

When I bought my Pioneer DDJ-T1, it was different too, but I never fell in love with it. It's still my backup for my large system, but I think I'm gonna be using my small system a lot more because of the Denon controller.

I got all the parts ordered for my large system. The cables I need to finish the wiring won't be here until Friday and Saturday. So now I'm thinking about lights. Before, had my MyDMX dongle inside the rack, connected to a DMX port on the rear patch panel. If I'm going to use my small system more, I need to connect the dongle on the outside, so it can be used with my laptop when I'm using my new small system. I'm not thrilled about having stuff on my table top and having to connect cords to it, but that seems to be the best answer.

I also need to move some stuff around on the rear 16 port patch panel to mount the 4 antennas for the wireless microphone system. There are only four blanks remaining. Seems crazy that 12 ports are in use, but with two computers in there, I suppose it's not that unusual.


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I'm likin' this Denon DN-410X mixer. It even has built-in Bluetooth. I haven't tried it out yet, but I suppose I could have my tablet handy, so in case my computer crashes, I could have a mix ready to play through the Bluetooth. I could also have a wired connection for it as well. Unfortunately, the Bluetooth antenna is on the back (my latest pet peeve), so it's gonna be buried inside the rack, unless I extend it to the rear patch panel as I'm doing with the wireless microphone antennas. Not sure I'll have a port for one more antenna.

I'm planning to add a compressor, which I'll mount on the front of the rack. I have not been able to get a hold of a DBX 166. I had a couple that I was watching on eBay, but they both got away from me. Right now, there's NOT one that looks good to me, so I'll have to bide my time. I have a 1U panel covering the spot where I'll mount the compressor when I get one. I'm considering other models...ANY SUGGESTIONS?

Connecting a compressor to this mixer is interesting...
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...this is something I'm not familiar with. Is this the best way to connect a compressor? An "insert cable"? Never heard of it.:laugh: Learning something new.:djsmug:
 
Not a fan of a compressor on an output since it restricts the overall dynamic range at the same time. Frequency based (instead of signal strength) compression might help in a sub, depending on it's frequency domain response, but less so with a quality top. On a microphone input (or insert into a mic group), it could certainly help tame the speakers (people who speak :) ) who speak too quietly or too loudly. I would only use a compressor on the mixer output to limit the the maximum signal if you are constantly hitting the speakers peak LED.
 
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Not a fan of a compressor on an output since it restricts the overall dynamic range at the same time. Frequency based (instead of signal strength) compression might help in a sub, depending on it's frequency domain response, but less so with a quality top. On a microphone input (or insert into a mic group), it could certainly help tame the speakers (people who speak :) ) who speak too quietly or too loudly. I would only use a compressor on the mixer output to limit the the maximum signal if you are constantly hitting the speakers peak LED.
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I see what you're saying... I was hoping the compressor would help me get more volume out of my subs. Is that unrealistic? I've read a lot of opinions on this topic, but as you know, opinions can be all over the place. [emoji4]


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Anybody have an opinion of the BBE MaxCom? I had a BBE 882i in my large rack at one time; later replaced it with a 15 band Equalizer, which allowed me to have more control of the output than the 882i. The MaxCom is a compressor/limiter, but it also has an 882i built-in. I took the Equalizer out of the rack because I think the EQ's on the Denon mixer are gonna be good enough... much better than the rotary mixer it replaced.


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I see what you're saying... I was hoping the compressor would help me get more volume out of my subs. Is that unrealistic? I've read a lot of opinions on this topic, but as you know, opinions can be all over the place. [emoji4]


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Won't get any more volume (you're still limited by the amp power and the driver), though might get more signal in the popular 60-70Hz thump band, which some like (similar to a band-pass sub).

Again, personal preference .. It just sounds abnormal to me.
 
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Anybody have an opinion of the BBE MaxCom? I had a BBE 882i in my large rack at one time; later replaced it with a 15 band Equalizer, which allowed me to have more control of the output than the 882i. The MaxCom is a compressor/limiter, but it also has an 882i built-in. I took the Equalizer out of the rack because I think the EQ's on the Denon mixer are gonna be good enough... much better than the rotary mixer it replaced.


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I took out my BBE .. again, didn't sound normal. I replaced it with a better SPL Vitalizer years ago.
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steve149 said:
Won't get any more volume (you're still limited by the amp power and the driver), though might get more signal in the popular 60-70Hz thump band, which some like (similar to a band-pass sub).

Again, personal preference .. It just sounds abnormal to me.
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Sounds like you'd just leave the compressor out?... Obviously an option. I always worry about having too many components in my signal chain... more failure points, complicating contingency plans.


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Sounds like you'd just leave the compressor out?... Obviously an option. I always worry about having too many components in my signal chain... more failure points, complicating contingency plans.


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Rick likes his .. I don't use compression in my systems (other than on mics).
 
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Interesting... Can you describe how the Vitalizer works... what it does... how/where it's connected?[emoji4]


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I have mine in the same place as the BBE .. just after my mixer. Mainly to add the "sparkle" on karaoke singing.

As to how it works .. not really sure. From one of their ads:

How it works is a bit of a mystery, but its popularity is undeniable...

The SPL Stereo Vitalizer MKII qualifies as one of those "magic" audio effects, that must be heard to be truly appreciated. Just a few tweaks, the Vitalizer can bring clarity and "tightness" to an otherwise undistinguished mix.


SPL Stereo Vitalizer MK2 Features :
  • Easy and intuitive controls
  • Ideally suited for re-mastering stereo sources
  • Inserted via master or sub-group inserts
  • Soft and tight bass sound with bass compressor
  • Mid, high, and harmonic processing
  • Variable input level
  • Stereo Expander
  • Hard bypass relais (power fail safety)
  • Balanced operation
  • XLR and stereo Jack I/Os
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I have mine in the same place as the BBE .. just after my mixer. Mainly to add the "sparkle" on karaoke singing.

As to how it works .. not really sure. From one of their ads:
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I've been reading about it. I'm intrigued.[emoji4] Do I understand correctly that there's a software version? I wonder how well that works?


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I've been reading about it. I'm intrigued.[emoji4] Do I understand correctly that there's a software version? I wonder how well that works?


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Yea .. they discontinued the hardware version I have years ago, had to buy it used on eBay .. they still make a tube version (Overview) and a SW plug-in version (SPL Vitalizer | UAD Audio Plugin | Universal Audio).

A review: https://spl.info/fileadmin/user_upload/pdf/VMk2-T_SoundOnSound.pdf
 
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Holy crap - Steve owns something that's discontinued. There must be a black hole opening somewhere. ;)
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I prefer to call those "classics".
 
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Some of the cables arrived earlier than scheduled. The wireless microphone system antenna extension cables came today, and they are PERFECT!!!... Hooray![emoji4] eBay... Who knew?[emoji1]... I guess Steve149 did.[emoji4] Looks like I might have this large system wired up pretty soon.
Still missing four patch cables... scheduled to arrive tomorrow. I think that's all I need unless I run into something as I'm hooking this stuff together.[emoji1]

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