Windows 8 to Windows 7

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SoftJock Rick said:
Problem I see as a developer, is that Win 8 is based around HTML 5 and JavaScript. They now block direct access to the HDD, through an abstraction layer. I think they are also using the same extension I use for my playlists for something internal.

Rockit runs on it ok, but sometimes the playlists don't display on certain configurations of Win 8. The quick and dirty trick, is to empty the History list, then the playlists show up again.

I have no intention of putting 8 on any of my computers -- it's meant for tablets, and the only tablets I care about, were the ones Moses was carrying.
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It may have BEEN meant for tablets, but any new laptop or desktop purchase will have it, unless you do a lot of pushups. Getting folks to pony up another $100 for Win 7 just to run your software when other developers have migrated might be tough. Not saying I like it .. but, it is what it is.
 
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steve149 said:
It may have BEEN meant for tablets, but any new laptop or desktop purchase will have it, unless you do a lot of pushups. Getting folks to pony up another $100 for Win 7 just to run your software when other developers have migrated might be tough. Not saying I like it .. but, it is what it is.
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Like I said, it runs ok on 8, just some configs of 8 hide the playlists on the Nav tree.

But think about it this way -- my software is only $119 bucks -- VDJ is $300 -- so you still save $80, and get better support, and get to hear me whine about the snow and lack of clean water :)
 
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SoftJock Rick said:
Like I said, it runs ok on 8, just some configs of 8 hide the playlists on the Nav tree.

But think about it this way -- my software is only $119 bucks -- VDJ is $300 -- so you still save $80, and get better support, and get to hear me whine about the snow and lack of clean water :)
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If you throw in iTunes library and playlist support .. I back you !
 
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steve149 said:
If you throw in iTunes library and playlist support .. I back you !
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I have no clue what format iTunes playlists are -- I refuse to put iTunes on my machines. If they are standard M3U, Rockit can import them. Just go to the file menu in Rockit, and click Import M3U playlists, and it will create a Rockit playlist for it.

As for their library -- not needed -- mine is better :)
 
SoftJock Rick said:
I have no clue what format iTunes playlists are -- I refuse to put iTunes on my machines. If they are standard M3U, Rockit can import them. Just go to the file menu in Rockit, and click Import M3U playlists, and it will create a Rockit playlist for it.

As for their library -- not needed -- mine is better :)
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I need the playlists live to the iTunes library. Since I have an iPhone and an iPad, iTunes works out the best as a music file manager (for me). Not sure of the format, but the other apps I have (VDJ, PCDJ) both read it live.

Rockit is much easier to use .. but I can't work with multiple libraries. Too hard to keep synched.
 
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steve149 said:
I need the playlists live to the iTunes library. Since I have an iPhone and an iPad, iTunes works out the best as a music file manager (for me). Not sure of the format, but the other apps I have (VDJ, PCDJ) both read it live.

Rockit is much easier to use .. but I can't work with multiple libraries. Too hard to keep synched.
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Are your files in MP3 or WAV format?

If so, just set a Watch folder in Rockit, and have it do a quick scan whenever you add new stuff. It will only add any new files it finds, and only takes a few seconds. Just set the root folder of where your iTunes files are, as the Watch folder.

It's under the Tools menu.
 
True DJs do not use iTunes. That is for novices! :djparty:
 
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ahoustondj said:
True DJs do not use iTunes. That is for novices! :djparty:
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Nah -- it's for people who want a virus on their PC!

Try this if you use iTunes -- start your PC, but don't start iTunes. The open Task Manager, find iTunesHelper process -- it always runs. Then click the View menu in Task Manager, and select new columns -- add in I/O Reads, and I/O Writes -- Page Faults are handy too. Watch what happens.
 
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SoftJock Rick said:
Nah -- it's for people who want a virus on their PC!

Try this if you use iTunes -- start your PC, but don't start iTunes. The open Task Manager, find iTunesHelper process -- it always runs. Then click the View menu in Task Manager, and select new columns -- add in I/O Reads, and I/O Writes -- Page Faults are handy too. Watch what happens.
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This Hombre does not Use iTunes, never have and never will. I really don't know what is so difficult in making a Universal Filing system that people have to resort to having the likes of iTunes do it for them! It is so Simple:
C:\Music Library\Rock
C:\Music Library\R&B
C:\Music Library\Country
Etc, ETc.
The DJ software should then take those tags and enter them in its Virtual Memory/Collection which would lead to having the same identical folders in the DJ Software Library as in your HD Music Library.
But nooooooooooo! They have to let iTunes sort it for them, since they can't differentiate a Country Song from a Rock Song for themselves. The end result is a gazillion folders with all kinds of weird Genres.
 
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ahoustondj said:
True DJs do not use iTunes. That is for novices!
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Untrue .. iTunes to manage files is one of the best ways, especially if you use other idevices as I do. Why would I want to manage files twice, when a good program exists that does it. I didn't say playing files, I said managing them.

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ahoustondj said:
This Hombre does not Use iTunes, never have and never will. I really don't know what is so difficult in making a Universal Filing system that people have to resort to having the likes of iTunes do it for them! It is so Simple:
C:\Music Library\Rock
C:\Music Library\R&B
C:\Music Library\Country
Etc, ETc.
The DJ software should then take those tags and enter them in its Virtual Memory/Collection which would lead to having the same identical folders in the DJ Software Library.
But nooooooooooo! They have to let iTunes sort it for them, since they can't differentiate a Country Song from a Rock Song for themselves. The end result is a gazillion folders with all kinds of weird Genres.
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Just because you are stuck in your ways, doesn't mean other can't take advantage of newer technology. File system management may work for Traktor, but doesn't for iPods, iPhones and iPads, of which I have all three.

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SoftJock Rick said:
Nah -- it's for people who want a virus on their PC!

Try this if you use iTunes -- start your PC, but don't start iTunes. The open Task Manager, find iTunesHelper process -- it always runs. Then click the View menu in Task Manager, and select new columns -- add in I/O Reads, and I/O Writes -- Page Faults are handy too. Watch what happens.
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iTunes tends to be a pretty stable product. I have no issues with it for what it does.
 
steve149 said:
Untrue .. iTunes to manage files is one of the best ways, HELL NO!!!!!!! especially if you use other idevices as I do. TOYS!!!!!!!!!!! Why would I want to manage files twice, when a good program exists that does it. I didn't say playing files, I said managing them.

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Just because you are stuck in your ways, doesn't mean other can't take advantage of newer technology. File system management may work for Traktor, but doesn't for iPods, iPhones and iPads, of which I have all three.

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iTunes tends to be a pretty stable product. I have no issues with it for what it does.
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Some in RED above. There are universal ways of Filing/Managing Files. It does not matter if it is Paperwork at an office, Books in a Library or Children in a School. You have a Root Directory, then a Category/Genre, then a Sub Directory/Artist Name then the names of the songs. You keep it simple by minimizing the amount of Genres as much as possible. When I file them this way in my Hard Drive, anyone can go take a look and understand when I know fully well that it should be R&B or even Hip Hop.
 
ahoustondj said:
Some in RED above. There are universal ways of Filing/Managing Files. It does not matter if it is Paperwork at an office, Books in a Library or Children in a School. You have a Root Directory, then a Category/Genre, then a Sub Directory/Artist Name then the names of the songs. You keep it simple by minimizing the amount of Genres as much as possible. When I file them this way in my Hard Drive, anyone can go take a look and understand when I know fully well that it should be R&B or even Hip Hop.
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Canute .. There are no "UNIVERSAL" ways of Filing and Managing files. And even if I acknowledge that sub directorys can be used, I do the same thing in iTunes with Playlists. I have Playlists for decades, for music type, etc and files (links actually) can exist in multiple categories without duplication, something that isn't so easy in a pure filesystem. I can sort by any mp3 tag in less than a second, so I can do it by Artist, BPM, Album, Genre, etc.

You simply do not know of what you speak.

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SoftJock Rick said:
Are your files in MP3 or WAV format?

If so, just set a Watch folder in Rockit, and have it do a quick scan whenever you add new stuff. It will only add any new files it finds, and only takes a few seconds. Just set the root folder of where your iTunes files are, as the Watch folder.

It's under the Tools menu.
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That will add files, but won't add the organizational structure I have with playlists. I would then have to import all of those each time I started.

I'm not saying you need to have it .. just saying I NEED it so I don't have to keep one set of structures for my personal players and backup devices and a different one for my DJ app.
 
A filing System, with Directories, File Names etc is different from a Playlist. There are also Playlists for reference such as 70s, 80s, Wedding songs etc and Active Playlists made to be played in the order lined up. Sorting is a Given, it makes Manual searches easier. It is NOT filing. A Library (With Books) is the ideal example from where any Filing System can be patterned. That my friend is Universal. You have the Name of the Library, then the Categories, Sub Categories, Author Names (Alphabetical Order), Titles of the Books. Isn't that easy enough for you?
 
ahoustondj said:
A filing System, with Directories, File Names etc is different from a Playlist. There are also Playlists for reference such as 70s, 80s, Wedding songs etc and Active Playlists made to be played in the order lined up. Sorting is a Given, it makes Manual searches easier. It is NOT filing. A Library (With Books) is the ideal example from where any Filing System can be patterned. That my friend is Universal. You have the Name of the Library, then the Categories, Sub Categories, Author Names (Alphabetical Order), Titles of the Books. Isn't that easy enough for you?
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Ok .. but what does that have to do with ANYTHING?

You use what works for you .. I'll use what works for me. I never said it was the best .. just the best FOR ME.
 
steve149 said:
Ok .. but what does that have to do with ANYTHING?

You use what works for you .. I'll use what works for me. I never said it was the best .. just the best FOR ME.
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Yep you are correct! Hobbyists with their toys handle things their own way, eh! :director:
 
ahoustondj said:
Yep you are correct! Hobbyists with their toys handle things their own way, eh! :director:
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I think I'm about to join the Randy and Rick bandwagon.

BTW, at least I don't bring boomboxes to events.
 
steve149 said:
I think I'm about to join the Randy and Rick bandwagon.

BTW, at least I don't bring boomboxes to events.
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What is a Boombox?
 
steve149 said:
That will add files, but won't add the organizational structure I have with playlists. I would then have to import all of those each time I started.

I'm not saying you need to have it .. just saying I NEED it so I don't have to keep one set of structures for my personal players and backup devices and a different one for my DJ app.
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Not true Steve. What are the odds that you'll add more than 20 new tunes a week? Probably low. So you do it once a week, and it takes a couple seconds, and they are auto categorized by Artist, Album, Genre, Year, BPM, Recently added, Most played.

I for one agree with Canute -- there's no need to keep all that crap synced -- it's for DJ work. Turn on the radio if yer in your car, and throw the iPad and iPhone under the rear wheels, and blow them up.
 
SoftJock Rick said:
Not true Steve. What are the odds that you'll add more than 20 new tunes a week? Probably low. So you do it once a week, and it takes a couple seconds, and they are auto categorized by Artist, Album, Genre, Year, BPM, Recently added, Most played.

I for one agree with Canute -- there's no need to keep all that crap synced -- it's for DJ work. Turn on the radio if yer in your car, and throw the iPad and iPhone under the rear wheels, and blow them up.
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But it's NOT just for DJ work. I use my iPhone and iPad when I travel for tunes (radio don't work a damn in the air). And I use iTunes when listening around the house as I can stream it to my Airport Express router to a remote pair of speakers. I also can remotely control things on my PC running iTunes with my iPhone.

SO .. for me it's all part of a music ecosystem. I don't do enough gigs to justify separating things completely and spending time making sure two different processes work ... especially when iTunes, as a music manager, does just about everything I need, including ripping, tagging and ornamenting.

As I said, it works for ME .. if someone else prefers to make directories and sub-directories .. be my guest. I can read everything directly in VDJ and PCDJ (Serato too, though my hardware doesn't work with the current version). I'll play with my TOY tools and stay happy.
 
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