Windows 8 to Windows 7
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Okay.
You can agree to disagree....
or you can make this thread drag on for another 3 pages.
Some answers in red. Make sure you have the right tools for the job, not just any tools. I can run Zip Cord wires to my speakers but it does not mean I should. However I would definitely not recommend it to anyone or lead them to believe its is an option. It should not!
What I do get is, if I say "Black" you guys say "White", if I say "Up" you guys say "down". If you don't like what I post or don't want to follow then just shut up and do your thing! Don't prolong the discussion.
Some answers in blue. What you don't get is that if you changed the way people perceive you - and your stance on your adopted ways being the only ones right - they might say you know what, it really is the same color he says it is. All you're doing is getting people to NOT want to participate. If you want someone to see the same color, you have to make them want to see it too. All you're doing lately is putting up walls.
For Mike (Ausumm): There is a Big Difference between a Hobbyist and a Part Time DJ that views what he does as a business. There are many successful Part Timers on here as well as full timers.
For Mike (ittiger) : When one studies Electronics or whatever Subjects, the Professor's role is not to teach the students any old which way. His job is to teach the Correct way. maybe you should go out and visit Bars, Clubs and other DJ shows to see what others are doing to learn not just what to do but also what not to do. You are telling me that if I get training to do something that is a tried and proven system/method that it becomes MY Way! What have you been smoking?
For Mike (ittiger) : When one studies Electronics or whatever Subjects, the Professor's role is not to teach the students any old which way. His job is to teach the Correct way. maybe you should go out and visit Bars, Clubs and other DJ shows to see what others are doing to learn not just what to do but also what not to do. You are telling me that if I get training to do something that is a tried and proven system/method that it becomes MY Way! What have you been smoking?
DjDennis
RIP- My Dad (2011), Sister (2013) and Mum (2017)
A teacher teaches what is known as 'A' correct way - it is not 'THE' correct way. Go ask any teacher you know if what they teach is the only correct way to do something. When one is a teacher, he / she is also receptive to learn from those that he / she is in company with. Also, who are you claiming to teach if no one here listens to you and if no newbies come in asking for advice or wanting to partake in our forums? A good teacher knows their limits, knows when to back off and knows when to learn. That same teacher also has no problems getting people to come to them for advice nor with people discussing, weighing and accepting said advice.
I am telling you that the 'tried / proven system' that you use is not the ONLY way to do something. It is the way you were taught, it is the way you have adopted to do it and it is the way you do it now (currently, I imagine some of these have your own personal modifications) - therefore it is YOUR way. It is not THE universal correct way. By that token, my teacher taught me how to do most of the things I do as well, using tried / proven ways and methods - so I hate to break it to you - but mine are THE correct ways. They are however, in conflict with yours. HOLY BATMAN, can there be two "THE correct ways"? Could there be more?
I'm a well educated person as well - and I also know that the things you are taught are fundamentals. They may not apply to each situation and there may be more than one way to arrive at the same destination. Is 95 the ONLY way to get from Maine to Florida?
Because we're speaking of computers at this specific point and you LOVE to bring up your diploma's, education and training, do you have certifications that enable you to speak about this intelligently?
FWIW, I regularly visit with other DJ's and see what they do and how they do it. I am very much in touch with what is going on. Sounds like you are the one that needs to do some visiting. Instead of being a wallflower, why don't you try to make friends with them. I wonder how receptive they would be if you approached them as you do here.
In addition, I don't smoke - but thanks for asking.
I state again that what you don't get is that if you changed the way people perceive you - and your stance on your adopted ways being the only ones right - they might say you know what, it really is the same color he says it is. All you're doing is getting people to NOT want to participate. If you want someone to see the same color, you have to make them want to see it too. All you're doing lately is putting up walls.
Updated: I'd also like to say that claiming the way you do things as not your way could be seen as disrespectful to those that taught you. I'm proud of my history and the people that taught me / I've learned from - and the way I do things is MY way (which is the way I was taught with my flavor added).
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He hasn't said nor proven that anything is any faster or more efficient than anything anyone else does. All he's doing is saying his way (that he's also claiming is not his) is the correct way. If I can do something but it's not efficient for me (regardless of how efficient it is in reality), how efficient is it really?
Alot of this probably also depends on what you use and how you use it - so how can someone not there explicitly state that 'A' is the correct way?
The fastest and most efficient way for me to use your computer is to crack / reset your password. Is that the method I should use?
Canute openly stated that he uses DJ software tags in addition to browsing to the folder - which are part of the same tools I use, yet I'm not using my system properly. Being that we're using similar tools, should I assume that he also does not know how to use his system properly?
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Go back to the beginning and read. Maybe then you will comprehend. Nowhere was I claiming anything to be My Way. I started out by saying that iTunes methods for Organizing files was way to tedious that you end up with a Gazillion Genres and layers of folders/directories/sub directories. You and Steve are the ones that are claiming it was my way. By using that Buzz Phrase you know you will have others siding with you against me and what i have to say. I also never said iTunes was the wrong way. What I was proposing was that the DJ software was more superior to just allowing iTunes to automatically sort and organize the Files.
Now I can't comprehend - nice.
You have been asked what is superior about reading tags, sorting and organizing in iTunes vs anything else. You have yet to answer. You also haven't proven anything about anything. So if nothing is different, why all the fuss from you?
The 'your way' is coming from you insisting that your way of doing things is 'THE' way to do them. You may have been schooled to do something in a certain manner - but that is by far the only way to do it. In fact, the taught way is often times the most tedious way - as shown in my example, I can reset / crack your password way faster than it would take me to get access to your system properly / correctly - and it's more efficient. Do you think the reset / crack is part of the lesson?
What you have been oblivious to is that iTunes, like any other product, will do explicitly what you allow / tell it to. If you want it to index in place, it will. If you want multiple Genre's, you can set it up to do that, if you want one Genre, it can do that too. As with DJ sw, all of this has little to do with the software and everything to do with how you tag things. This is part of the reason that I don't do any autotagging.
Also, if anyone is picking sides, it's not because of my saying of anything. It might have everything to do with that castle and moat you're building. I do like you're lack of claiming anything though. I might adopt that - could come in handy someday.
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No, I'm not saying whatever works for you is not good -- that's up to you.
But as a developer, I do my best to make things more efficient. That's the whole purpose of writing DJ software -- make it easier and faster, for the user to do his/her task, and not have to use the OS.
When I first started DJ'ing, I had a turntable and 8-track player. You had to keep your records and tapes organized. So when I started writing the DJ software some 13-14 years ago, I got my pad and pen out, and diagrammed how the process worked -- flow chart. What I found, was that at the last few seconds of a song, you might change your mind based on crowd response, to what you wanted to play next.
Hence the need for speed and efficiency. I could browse through folders if I wanted, but it takes too long.
As for Canute -- well, he's Canute -- I can't make him more efficient, not my job
No, I'm not saying whatever works for you is not good -- that's up to you.
But as a developer, I do my best to make things more efficient. That's the whole purpose of writing DJ software -- make it easier and faster, for the user to do his/her task, and not have to use the OS.
When I first started DJ'ing, I had a turntable and 8-track player. You had to keep your records and tapes organized. So when I started writing the DJ software some 13-14 years ago, I got my pad and pen out, and diagrammed how the process worked -- flow chart. What I found, was that at the last few seconds of a song, you might change your mind based on crowd response, to what you wanted to play next.
Hence the need for speed and efficiency. I could browse through folders if I wanted, but it takes too long.
As for Canute -- well, he's Canute -- I can't make him more efficient, not my job
TOTALLY AGREE!!!! (on a side note, we've already had this discussion - the whole basic user / advanced user thing).
You never know what song you may need at a gig. I was a boy scout and their model was be prepared. At least he'll have him if he needs it. Also the Windows 8 thing just goes to show that new is not always better. Sometimes good old tried and true works much better then new.
Agree back.
You don't even wanna know some of the people I deal with. It actually cracks me up sometimes. I get a phone call for example, and they ask how do I put my music in the library. Well, you could either read the manual, or just click on the Tools menu, and Add Music, Set Watch folders, things like that.
Sometimes, you really have to ponder the IQ's of people out there. Did their mother drink heavily when she was prego, or did they do better drugs than I did...?
This is why I drink -- because they will annoy my sorry ass with stupid questions (that should be common sense for somebody using a computer).
Wedding season is coming up -- so I'm gonna have to get more beer...
It is very interesting that the ones on here who really DJ for a living do not have a problem with some of the things I post. Some things you post make sense, others do not, so "some" is accurate. It is always the Hobbyists who want to post things that they do THEIR way and bristle when it is pointed out that the real DJ world does not operate that way. I point out things because there are new people on here all the time and therefore they should get to know the other options. As Tig and others have said .. that is what a chat board is for. And I bristle because the "real world" does operate this way. And honestly, you have not given even 1 piece of evidence that what I shared was an incorrect way of doing things. The fact that you were trained in a different methodology before iTunes existed, or maybe before computers did, is moot .. just another way.
When I hear of so called DJs who have a DJ Software but use Windows Media or Winamp to run music for a Cocktail Hour I have to shake my head. So running cocktail hour music on a Pioneer MEP is substantially different as you have stated you have done? Do they really don't know that the DJ software can run two or more Playlists? If what you all are proposing is that "You do things your way and I will do things my way", what then is the purpose of coming onto the Forum? I agree .. what is the purpose if I can't propose my way, which works, and you have yet to find anything wrong with except to continue to say "toy".
That is like someone connecting the negative conductor of the speaker cable to the Positive Terminal of an amplifier and telling you it has always worked for them. Should one not correct that person and show/tell them the correct way of hooking up the cables? Why have to sugar coat and dance around the issue. I am a straightforward speaker, I do not like sugar coating anything (except the Redhead) But, unlike connecting a speaker to the wong terminal, there is no RIGHT way to rip songs, no "right" way to manage songs, and no right way to DJ songs.
DJ Software was made for DJs, iTunes was not designed for DJs, period. Neither are dollar store consumer cables, and yet they work. If one does not know how to customize their DJ software to perform their tasks and have to resort to iTunes to do it for them, oh well!
Don't you guys get down on people for using Media formats that you say is inferior such as a file that is a Wav vs a file that is a 128 bit rate? What if I told you that it does not matter to the clients, that the file would still play regardless of which one is used? Those who know better will tell you to use the Wav. This is no different to what I am proposing here with the iTunes method vs the DJ Software method. So why all the fuss? What DJ method? I don't see it in the ADJA rules. I don't see them posted on the DJ application websites. WHERE are these rules of which you speak? WHERE?
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You were claiming it to be the "standard" way and that you followed the "standard, which makes it your way. And again, it is apparent you do not know anything about the application, as iTunes creates an Artist directory and then a sub directory for Album .. no gazillion anythings.
okay...
You are correct, you never SAID it was the wrong way. But you sure did come REAL close.
If people are siding against you....it is NOT because of Steve, Tigger, or because of anything they said or any "buzz words" they used.
And it's not even "siding against you"....it's called disagreeing.