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What is your problem Canute?
If you don't want to use it .. don't. No need to be a continued azz.
If you don't want to use it .. don't. No need to be a continued azz.
No problem here. Just setting the record straight. Remember we have newbies looking at these threads and they need to know the correct way not just any way. Too much of this "You do it your way and I'll do it mine" is a cop out for the birds.
And I gave them a CORRECT way .. yours isn't the only way. And please, in all your infinite wisdom, tell me WHY using iTunes is inferior? You do know that the files end up in directories as well, sorted by artist and album .. don't you?
I did NOT invent the way I do my Filing. It was taught to me as the most standard way, long before there was any iTunes. It is NOT My Way. Thats where you all fail!
Very high since I'm a PrimeCuts member. I put 30-60 songs per week on my HD.
Just curious Curt -- why would you even bother putting that many songs on your HDD?
Yer gonna play maybe 3 of those songs. And if we do the math, what does it cost you per year (and wasted space and search indexing time) for all that wasted stuff that you will never play?
Didn't say you did .. only that there are other, proper ways to do the same thing and maybe you can acknowledge that your way isn't the best for all circumstances.
In the end, my files are in a directory hierarchy by Artist and then by Album .. all done automatically by iTunes. I ALSO have a playlist structure usable by several applications and a pretty extensive tag selection from which to sort. I don't see where this is inferior to just making directories.
I never said "Inferior" those are your words. I was referring to a meaningless and unnecessary method. Filing Digital does not even require the need for Album. thats one less sub directory to include. What happens when you know that a sang is a Rock song but iTunes labels it as Alternative. Then when you do a search for all "rock" songs, that song will come up missing.
I play way more then 3 songs from a disc. I don't like playing the same old or overplayed songs at every event. My cost is $480 per year or less then .50 per song.
Then I change the genre tag .. it's not that difficult. And, as I said, I have playlists setup for Rock, Disco, etc. that can include any song I believe belongs in that category and a song can be in more than one (Disco, GoTo Dances, Ladies Faves, etc.).
And you still did not tell me why iTunes shouldn't be used .. and I have given many reasons why I believe it is best for me and potentially others that have not committed to a file management scheme.
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iTunes was designed for the Consumer use of the iPods and all the other Apple toys etc. When they first started out, they were coding the songs and thus could only be used on their formats products. The files are much better off left alone in their original format whereby anyone can use and understand them.
If one is indeed a DJ they should commit themselves to a standard file management system. Lack of knowledge on Basic Computer File storage let alone Music Library Formats can create a mess. Sure you can still drive a car on a flat tire but that does not mean you should.
Again, you speak which you do not know (or perhaps care to find out). What difference does it make what iTunes started out as .. it is what it is today, a pretty decent file management system, especially if you have iPods, iPhones or iPads.
ITunes handles 360KBPS mp3 files (my standard rip format), wave format as well as their own .aac formats, which I do not use (both lossy and lossless). And again, the output is as standard a file format as you can get .. an mp3 file named with the song title and track number, sitting in a directory named for the album (or compilation, or similar), sitting in a directory named for the artist.
Being a Computer Engineer by degree, and a computer industry guy for 30 years, I have a pretty darn good understanding of basic computer file formats and can tell you that iTunes uses a standard Windows or Mac file structure, the library is automatically created in a directory structure, and all MP3 tags are preserved. The only difference is there is an iTunes additional library file which correlates things such as album art and a few additional parameters that can be used or ignored.
I don't understand why you seem to have an issue with something you clearly DO NOT UNDERSTAND and yet speak ill of it. You can access any file directly in the directory structure if you choose .. nothing special there.
I use it as I have the desire to, it works as competently as anything else, and does not have many limitations .. certainly less than what you use, yet you seem to be fixated on knocking it. When you can tell me what is actually WRONG with it, instead of the childish action of calling it a TOY, please let me know.
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It is a Toy! If someone does not know how to Organize their Music and sync that HD Organization with their DJ Software Collection/Memory then thats their problem. I do it the most logical way. Again just like the Libraries, just like the CD/Vinyl Shops. If you rely so heavily on iTunes then you must not know how to use all the features of your DJ Software. I would wager that even Rockit would do that job well. I saw what a mess it created on my Buddy's Machine. He no longer uses it. I have let other jocks take a spin on my software and they themselves commented how easy it was to understand to look for something in Traktor search or Manually scrolling through a Folder in the Music Library on the HD.
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Funny .. when someone other than Canute speaks of the way they do things, they 'must not know how to use all the features of' their 'DJ software' - yet I use my systems / library in a similar manner to Canute and I was also informed that I did not know how to use all the features of my DJ software. Is Canute the only one that knows how to do anything properly?
Hmmmm.
Like you Canute - most of us advanced users can also navigate to the media itself and / or search across tags - in a speedy efficient manner. In addition, those of us most likely also have a way of storing things that make sense to us. There is no universal way of doing anything. There are multiple ways of doing the same things.
Most of todays generation already know how to look across tags rather easily - it's almost a no brainer for them - they grew up with the apps using tags. Anyone with an understanding of how machines store things can also navigate folders / search rather easily.
I'm tired of this better than thou mentality. Sadly, I believe this has already chased off some good ones. If you think this is because I (or they) don't have a thick skin, you'd be 100% wrong. I have fairly thick skin (been in the biz for 26+ years). In a forum of similar interest people, one would think they wouldn't need thick skin. It's one thing to need thick skin at a show for strangers. It's a totally different thing when you're supposed to be amongst a group of friends with similar interest and performing in a similar capacity. Far as I know, we're supposed to be sharing things, talking about things, learning things and teaching things amongst each other (as most forums do). I wonder why so many of the threads you are involved in end in conflict. You seem to think you're the divine teacher that has nothing to learn .. and that there is only one way (you're adopted ways) to do something correctly and efficiently. This is not my opinion alone. It has been clearly stated by many here.
I don't understand why you, Canute, can't see that the world does not (and never will) only operate as you see it. You FAIL to acknowledge, understand and agree that there are various ways of completing a task properly. Society in general could give a rats a$$ how much education you have had - especially with the way you come across. You turn more people off than you do enlighten them - and that goes directly against what you're claiming to try to do - teach the newbies the proper way to do things.
You catch way more bees with honey than you ever will with vinegar.
If you don't use, agree with or like the way that someone does something, then you don't need to respond - especially over trivial matters like the way they organize or access their music. Beneficial things could obviously help. Also, think of how you present something. Similar to how everything looks when you show up at a gig, it's all in how you present it. If you want people to accept something, you have to make them want it. You're doing everything you can to make them NOT want it.
Lately there seems to be a run of 'this is not MY way, it's the way blah blah does it.'
There will always be variances to how something is done. This does not make any one way better than any other. iTunes, similar to most DJ / music / entertainment products, takes advantage of using tags. The file system, like any other file system, allows you to store things the way YOU want to store them. iTunes also allows you to import your files into iTunes, or to merely index them in place.
While libraries may store things similarly (I bet you will still find variances), I challenge you to find offices that do. Each and every office has some variance (unless there are overriding powers). Similar here, there are variances. Odd enough, those workers seem to have no problems locating materials in their offices. If you understand how someone does something, everything is easy - but you must also respect that everyone may do something different. When these offices use relational databases, such as the iTunes index or DJ software tag index, it is easy for anyone to find anything regardless of where it is.
Hmmmm.
Like you Canute - most of us advanced users can also navigate to the media itself and / or search across tags - in a speedy efficient manner. In addition, those of us most likely also have a way of storing things that make sense to us. There is no universal way of doing anything. There are multiple ways of doing the same things.
Most of todays generation already know how to look across tags rather easily - it's almost a no brainer for them - they grew up with the apps using tags. Anyone with an understanding of how machines store things can also navigate folders / search rather easily.
I'm tired of this better than thou mentality. Sadly, I believe this has already chased off some good ones. If you think this is because I (or they) don't have a thick skin, you'd be 100% wrong. I have fairly thick skin (been in the biz for 26+ years). In a forum of similar interest people, one would think they wouldn't need thick skin. It's one thing to need thick skin at a show for strangers. It's a totally different thing when you're supposed to be amongst a group of friends with similar interest and performing in a similar capacity. Far as I know, we're supposed to be sharing things, talking about things, learning things and teaching things amongst each other (as most forums do). I wonder why so many of the threads you are involved in end in conflict. You seem to think you're the divine teacher that has nothing to learn .. and that there is only one way (you're adopted ways) to do something correctly and efficiently. This is not my opinion alone. It has been clearly stated by many here.
I don't understand why you, Canute, can't see that the world does not (and never will) only operate as you see it. You FAIL to acknowledge, understand and agree that there are various ways of completing a task properly. Society in general could give a rats a$$ how much education you have had - especially with the way you come across. You turn more people off than you do enlighten them - and that goes directly against what you're claiming to try to do - teach the newbies the proper way to do things.
You catch way more bees with honey than you ever will with vinegar.
If you don't use, agree with or like the way that someone does something, then you don't need to respond - especially over trivial matters like the way they organize or access their music. Beneficial things could obviously help. Also, think of how you present something. Similar to how everything looks when you show up at a gig, it's all in how you present it. If you want people to accept something, you have to make them want it. You're doing everything you can to make them NOT want it.
Lately there seems to be a run of 'this is not MY way, it's the way blah blah does it.'
There will always be variances to how something is done. This does not make any one way better than any other. iTunes, similar to most DJ / music / entertainment products, takes advantage of using tags. The file system, like any other file system, allows you to store things the way YOU want to store them. iTunes also allows you to import your files into iTunes, or to merely index them in place.
While libraries may store things similarly (I bet you will still find variances), I challenge you to find offices that do. Each and every office has some variance (unless there are overriding powers). Similar here, there are variances. Odd enough, those workers seem to have no problems locating materials in their offices. If you understand how someone does something, everything is easy - but you must also respect that everyone may do something different. When these offices use relational databases, such as the iTunes index or DJ software tag index, it is easy for anyone to find anything regardless of where it is.
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The logical way, would be the one that works .. and for me I have found it. As I said, the tool I use produces the same result, but you seem to miss that each time.
I have asked several times for you to find anything in my process that is WRONG, or detrimental, or something that would indicate it a bad practice.
You have not .. just merely spewed the same drivel each time.
You remind me of a another fellow here that can't see the forest for the trees .. you speak, but do not listen .. assume your way is best and therefore everyone else MUST be wrong. You have a pleasant day.
It is very interesting that the ones on here who really DJ for a living do not have a problem with some of the things I post. It is always the Hobbyists who want to post things that they do THEIR way and bristle when it is pointed out that the real DJ world does not operate that way. I point out things because there are new people on here all the time and therefore they should get to know the other options.
When I hear of so called DJs who have a DJ Software but use Windows Media or Winamp to run music for a Cocktail Hour I have to shake my head. Do they really don't know that the DJ software can run two or more Playlists? If what you all are proposing is that "You do things your way and I will do things my way", what then is the purpose of coming onto the Forum?
That is like someone connecting the negative conductor of the speaker cable to the Positive Terminal of an amplifier and telling you it has always worked for them. Should one not correct that person and show/tell them the correct way of hooking up the cables? Why have to sugar coat and dance around the issue. I am a straightforward speaker, I do not like sugar coating anything (except the Redhead)
DJ Software was made for DJs, iTunes was not designed for DJs, period. If one does not know how to customize their DJ software to perform their tasks and have to resort to iTunes to do it for them, oh well!
Don't you guys get down on people for using Media formats that you say is inferior such as a file that is a Wav vs a file that is a 128 bit rate? What if I told you that it does not matter to the clients, that the file would still play regardless of which one is used? Those who know better will tell you to use the Wav. This is no different to what I am proposing here with the iTunes method vs the DJ Software method. So why all the fuss?
When I hear of so called DJs who have a DJ Software but use Windows Media or Winamp to run music for a Cocktail Hour I have to shake my head. Do they really don't know that the DJ software can run two or more Playlists? If what you all are proposing is that "You do things your way and I will do things my way", what then is the purpose of coming onto the Forum?
That is like someone connecting the negative conductor of the speaker cable to the Positive Terminal of an amplifier and telling you it has always worked for them. Should one not correct that person and show/tell them the correct way of hooking up the cables? Why have to sugar coat and dance around the issue. I am a straightforward speaker, I do not like sugar coating anything (except the Redhead)
DJ Software was made for DJs, iTunes was not designed for DJs, period. If one does not know how to customize their DJ software to perform their tasks and have to resort to iTunes to do it for them, oh well!
Don't you guys get down on people for using Media formats that you say is inferior such as a file that is a Wav vs a file that is a 128 bit rate? What if I told you that it does not matter to the clients, that the file would still play regardless of which one is used? Those who know better will tell you to use the Wav. This is no different to what I am proposing here with the iTunes method vs the DJ Software method. So why all the fuss?
Right, now we're all 'Hobbyists'. With all the noise you talk, and all the issues you say you don't see, one might think you're a newbie - with little to no mobile experience. Are you defining 'real DJ world' as you? Otherwise, I hope you have some valid proof of what you speak. You point out things that are exclusive to you - they are the way that YOU do them and that is 100% respectable. What is not respectable is you forcing your opinion of what the 'right way' is down someone else's throat. You should show some respect to how someone does what they do - similar to how I (and others) respect what you do and how you do it. In addition, the way you do things does not make them the correct way. They are YOUR way - adopted from elsewhere or otherwise.
So shake your head - they are tools in the toolbox. The purpose of this forum is NOT to listen to what Canute says is the gospel. It IS to share and collaborate on a multitude of things. You make it a one way conversation and turn it into 'you do things your way and I'll do them mine'.
This is NOT like the scenario described above - TOTALLY different scenario. Using the scenario above, I know of no experienced person here that would do such a thing.
DJ Software was made for DJs, iTunes was not designed for DJs, period. If one does not know how to customize their DJ software to perform their tasks and have to resort to iTunes to do it for them, oh well!
iTunes is a tool that MAY be used. The vendors of some of this 'DJ software' will even tell you ways to use iTunes to benefit your sw experience. Are they also not developing products in a proper manner?
Again, TOTALLY different discussion! iTunes can manage and read tags on media just as good as any other product out there. Are we suggesting using iTunes for DJing? Absolutely not! Now if you can pull off a successful show mixing and everything else you need to do using multiple systems with iTunes, who am I to knock you down. You CAN hear a difference between low and high bit rates of a song. Would it matter to the client? Possibly. If you are using 2 systems, both with iTunes, and there are no flaws - how would the client know any different?
Am I suggesting someone try this - absolutely not. Could it be done, absolutely. I'm certain it probably has. This comes back to having multiple ways to accomplish the same task. You should ALWAYS have tools in the toolbox.
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